Kazzong

Honestly... I don't know... This one is extremely fast and aggressive, but the Orzhov deck punishes people for playing fast and aggressive... hm... the sucky thing is that I haven't play-tested that one yet. so I really don't know how effective it is. I think that perhaps the control aspect MIGHT edge out the more powerful creatures that this one has. either way I think that it would be a good game. :)

what? why? you shouldn't feel stupid. I downvote your comment for being pessimistic.

I could do that, but I kind of want something that allows me to kill my creature at will. But running something like Wrath of God would work as well, as long as I have LOTS of creatures out.

now in all honesty, which of these two decks do you think would win, if they where to play against each other? This one or the Black and White deck?

um... there are cards that can give you shroud, but it has the same effect. you cannot be the target of spells or abilities at all. even your own. so the effect would essentially be the same here, in that it doesn't really effect your opponent paying life or not. good thought though. :)

now the other thing that I MIGHT be able to do is run the angel, which would work for paying the life, but have some way to destroy my creatures instead of sacrificing them. but it seems like it would be far less effective. :(

unfortunately no. If you have hexproof, it means that you cannot be the target of spells or abilities that your opponents control. it doesn't block any world static effects, like angel of jubilation causes. Or if you meant that the hexproof might make it so that your opponent cannot pay the life because they cannot target you... unfortunately that does work either since they are not targeting anything to pay the life. They are just well... paying life.

I have another deck like this if you wanted to check it out. :) it is called there can be only 1 (cmc that is), I think that it is better than this one. :)

My deal is that I need to be able to sacrifice my own creatures but not allow my opponents the chance to pay the life to leave my creatures in the graveyard. And that is why angel of jubilation doesn't work.

How about BFG? I was thinking about that too. Or maybe gleemax?

As far as I know there are cards that say that your opponents cannot make you sacrifice. Unless you are talking about angel of jubilation, which only prevents you from sacrificing as part of a casting cost or to activate an ability. By I don't think there is a card that straight up says that you just cannot sacrifice. If that makes sense.

Crap, sorry I meant a CARD... stupid phone auto correct. And unfortunately angel of jubilation effects all players, not just your opponents. Otherwise it would be perfect for what I want. I am trying to combo with the black and white God from nyx.

Yeah, it DOES seem a bit high to me as well... Any suggestions?

Dang that is what I thought. :(. Oh well. Now for another one... Is there a cats that prevents players from paying life that isn't angel of jubilation?

That makes sense. Egg is funny though. I wish I could made a good egg deck.

That kinda sounds like it would play like an egg deck of some kind.

can't deal damage and then sac, right? that actually wasn't what I meant. something for bringing back a creature when it dies. like... unhallowed pact, but not just a single time.

I never knew that. cool... I am gonna have to use that!!!

on a side note, do either of you know of any cards that break kill-suit cultist? something that allows you to bring it back for multiples sacrifices per turn? preferably in black or red, or artifact.

not even indestructible would do anything. their ability makes you sacrifice them. so you have to find a way around that. which I don't know of any cards that actually keep you from sacrificing things on your own. (protection from other people MAKING you sac, is another matter.)

Can't tell if sarcasm or not... O.o? anybody help me out here? KJSJ3? Surewhynot? help?

He was the player who popularized that particular deck archetype.