dknight27

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ive been playing around with the idea in my head, and will continue to do so, and I think you can actually build the entire win condition out of cycled cards recycled by sarcophagus and man-lands, which is fascinating as you move through your deck like lightning by cycling off excess stuff, find the sarcophagus, then reuse everything for the win. I'm building 2 versions now, RBU and WBU

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Posted 18 January 2019 at 21:43 in reply to #621420 on Unusual Control

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This is very interesting. I'll take a closer look a little later

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Posted 17 January 2019 at 22:37 as a comment on Unusual Control

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Oh, and add entreat the angels to the list of staples

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Posted 16 January 2019 at 23:39 in reply to #621310 on Uw lock down

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I see a couple big areas that could use some tweaking, some at the structural level.

The biggest area of possible improvement, from my perspective, is that you can basically trim the deck down to just control elements and use the leftovers as your actual win conditions. So, you can cut a bunch of the critters meant to deal combat damage and the excess support like glorious anthem, which frees up spots for ways to lock them down while you grind our your win.

The azor prison is a fantastic lock, and you have some good ways to keep it moving, but you could do quite a lot with the rest of the build to keep the control machine running. Azor is unique, as he is a control mechanic, a partial win condition, an anti-agro, and a material farm mechanic all wrapped into a 6 drop for 6. So, you can get away with lots of stuff you couldn't otherwise do because Azor picks up the slack.

On top of this, the azor prison will slow most decks down to a crawl, but deny opponents any other mechanics and you can shut them out completely. Azor prison plus authority of the consuls/kismet means opponent eats 2 turns before he can respond to basically anything, etc. Get 3 prison effects going at once and its over.

Also, blue/white is a hell of a color combo in EDH, and you are missing some of the staple badass cards/combos.

Aven mindscenson
Baird, steward of argive
Consecrated sphinx
Fatespinner
Solemn Silmilcrum
Spellseeker
Spelltithe enforcer
Sunblast angel
Trinket mage
Trophy mage
Windborn muse
Ponder
Saheeli's artistry
Aetherspouts
Brainstorm
Return to dust
Erratic Portal
Lightning grieves
Mind stone
Swiftfoot boots
Thran dynamo
Aura of silence
Authority of the consuls
Control magic
Ghostly prison
Kismet
Propaganda
Reliquary tower

Then there are the blue/white only staples like:

Godhead of awe
Isperia, supreme judge





Lastly, Azor is always STARVING for mana, as you want to consistently be able to field him, protect him, and tap out for 4 or 5 to refill the hand each turn as well as be able to play the stuff you draw. A good way to do this is to max out the 2-drop mana producers like mind stone, coldsteel heart, marble diamond, sky diamond, etc.

If you want help tearing it down to build it back up, I'd be happy to help.


Also, not trying to tear down you or your build, just sharing my thoughts.

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Posted 16 January 2019 at 21:33 in reply to #621310 on Uw lock down

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what sort of budget are we looking at here?

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Posted 12 January 2019 at 19:24 in reply to #621310 on Uw lock down

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This is very interesting. I've never seen an anti-meta build mixed into a zoo format.

I see a few conflicting themes though. Goyf doesn't have enough food. You have no sorceries, and no artifacts that are easily graved (relic exiles itself), so you are looking at a land/critter grave with an eventual instant. I would run 1 temple garden to ensure that your turn 2 nacatal is maxed out and you have all 3 bases covered. I don't like dryad arbor at all, as this deck is pretty sleek, can get by on 1 land for quite a while before it needs the second (if you have to), can function almost completely on 2 lands, and has no need for any more than 3 whatsoever. With the arbor, you are running 21, when this deck can easily get away with running 19. Plus the arbor comes in sick, so you can't drop your turn 1 beater, your turn 2 goyf, or your turn 3 magus. It combos decently with the copter, but as there are 2 copters and 1 arbor, I don't think its worth the consideration. Reckless rage isn't the best option for the 1-drop removal slot, as you have path to exile, flame slash (goyf food), pyrite spellbomb (goyf food), seal of fire (goyf food). I like mainboarded dromoka's command, as it gives you lots of decent options and ups the instant count, but I don't like 4 of them when atarka's command is this deck's bread and butter. I've personally never liked running 4 lavamancers, as you don't want to drop it early at all, and it works extremely well as a top deck, so in general I keep it to 2 or 3 so it hits the field with fuel ready to go. Plus, if you drop it turn 1 or 2, activating it neuters goyf.

That being said, I see PLENTY of incredible synergy in here. The more I look at naram renegade, the more I like it in here. You will almost certainly be able to chuck a land to it, and if you can't its still a 1/2 deathtouch. By the time magus of the moon hits, you are fielded and already cruising, and this deck can function on mostly mountains anyway. Plus, if you have one in the opening you can fetch basics before you drop it and be all set.

Nice work, I'm going to be thinking about this type of build for a while

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Posted 11 January 2019 at 21:36 as a comment on Naya Zoo

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Defense grid for sure will be in the side, and I would pull out the howling mines for it. Metal worker is extremely powerful for fast combos and general artifact ramp, but because it doesn't have haste it doesn't do precisely what I want 3-drops to do in this deck. If it had haste, absolutely as you could dump your whole hand if you could field it turn 1. It also fits perfectly with ballista, walker, and wurmcoil, so in a build that focuses on directly ramping into ridiculous critters it is an absolute must.

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Posted 06 January 2019 at 22:16 in reply to #621165 on Vintage Artifact Prison

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Actually, trinisphere is basically the best card in this deck for taxing, as it turns all the fantastic 0 and 1-drops opponent is going to run (should be like 30-35 cards) into non-playable 3 drops. Vintage basically runs off of turn 1 acceleration via mox-like effects, and trinisphere turns mox-like cards into dead cards. And, best of all, as most vintage decks run fewer actual lands because they supplement them with mox-like cards, you are going to basically pull out 5-7 lands in their deck without removing the card slots. Turn 1 trinisphere is devastating, and its SOOOO easy to get out in this build. Mishra's workshop does it on its own, ancient den + any mox-esk, mana crypt + any land/or other mox, black lotus on its own, sol rong + any land +any mox.

Also, it ups the tax card numbers (1 thorn, 4 sphere, 4 orb, 1 trinisphere, 1 chalice (this deck only has a single 1-drop, so turn 1 chalice on 1-drops is a winner) for a total of 10 that you want to play turn 1. If you get any of them out, it should be enough to get you through to the middle game at least. So there is a pretty good argument for including trinisphere just to up this number from 9 to 10.

Topdecking a trinisphere with any of the other tax effects in play is definitely going to dilute the effect, you're absolutely right about that, but this deck's only real goal is to drop a tax turn 1 and grind them out after that, so its really a good bet to risk the top deck redundancy.

The grid is a fantastic card for this deck, and the build could easily be rearranged to have that as its win condition. I chose to keep the build colorless so I could max out the big colorless producer lands and never have to worry about dead draws based on lack of color. But, it wouldn't be a big deal to swap in 4 great furnaces and rely on the ruby mox, mox opal, black lotus, and perhaps a little other red-producing effects to get it done. Food for thought for sure.

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Posted 05 January 2019 at 03:03 in reply to #621165 on Vintage Artifact Prison

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Im not a fan of remand in here, as you desperately want to have a turn 2 drop and don't want to pass turn 2 to keep the mana open to use remand. Inquisition of kozilek and the like would fit better in my opinion. I also like maxing out dark confidant, as its essentially a win condition on its own and your curve is very low.

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Posted 02 January 2019 at 07:33 as a comment on Death's Cousin(s)

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In general, I like spellseeker for this deck quite a bit, as it fetches power cards like demonic tutor and cyclonic rift. And trinket mage, as it fetches the moxes, sol ring, and the rack.

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Posted 31 December 2018 at 23:36 as a comment on Bolas - Grixis EDH Control

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I like inquisition of kozilek over spell pierce and fatal push over forked bolt, and perhaps consider dropping the wasteland count to 3, as a triple color deck with 19 lands will have a hard time sustaining itself through some mulligans because, in effect, this deck is running only 15 lands that add mana. Other than that this looks solid

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Posted 31 December 2018 at 21:27 as a comment on Grixis Delver 2018

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Exquisite blood sets off infinite combos when you pair it with anything that does the inverse, namely stuff like epicure of blood.

The discard mechanic isn't necessary in here, as you can just use 1 shot gain/loss effects to trip the cascade once you get the 2 combo pieces in play.

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Posted 17 December 2018 at 20:37 in reply to #620661 on Infinite death

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Even with sol ring, this deck is WAAAAAAAAAAY too top heavy

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Posted 17 December 2018 at 17:14 as a comment on Artifacts

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There really isn't any advantage for making this build warrior, as nothing creates synergy for warriors. Just something to consider

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Posted 16 December 2018 at 08:46 as a comment on Mardu aggro

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Millstone i would guess, but its weak. Or chaos wand getting lucky

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Posted 14 December 2018 at 20:42 in reply to #620565 on No Critters

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Collective brutality is this deck's best friend

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Posted 13 December 2018 at 21:16 as a comment on ZomVine

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The curve is pretty high for the land amounts you are running, and with no 1-drops at all this is going to be very slow

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Posted 13 December 2018 at 19:14 as a comment on White Weenie V.2

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The bones look pretty solid here. Some land tech like field of ruin would help, and fatal push is a natural fit. I'm not sure if 2 cruel ultimatums is a solid idea, as its going to be a brick until the late/late middle game. I would consider cutting it down to 1.

Just my thoughts

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Posted 13 December 2018 at 19:07 as a comment on cruel control

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Normally it would be critter-light, but you have 4 opts, 3 insights, and 2 Ral's to move through the deck more quickly, which is around 16% of the deck in tactics cards. Plus, as long as you arn't dropping your critters in the early middle game, each one of them is a win condition.

I would think about maxing negate and 2 copes of search for azcanta. 4 negate's will help keep your win conditions alive as well as stall into your win conditions, and search for azcanta is just too good to ignore. It's basically a win condition on its own in a deck like this.

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Posted 12 December 2018 at 20:02 in reply to #620438 on Izzet Control v2

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I'm not a big fan of dive down in builds like this. You can get an almost identical effect from negate as well as the other utility it has over dive down, which only has 7 targets.

I also like cutting the drake to 3 mainboarded, as it hits harder when dropped in the middle game and its hard to nail the exact mana cost early, both of which suggest 3 instead of 4 copies to me.

I also HIGHLY recommend 3 star of extinctions in the side, as its this decks only recourse against the dreaded carnage tyrant, and it doubles as a semi-effective boardwipe (cost Is high, I admit).

Other than that this looks solid

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Posted 11 December 2018 at 19:04 as a comment on Izzet Control v2

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