AlleywayJack

Thanks. The other option i was thinking of was Ideas Unbound, which will always draw 3 for 2, and it's drawback is irrelevant on the combo turn. But the UU casting cost can be annoying, and sometimes before the combo turn, you just don't want to be looting 3 cards away.

Well that question was posted like a month ago soo....

Also already replaced Dig with Visions of Beyond. This deck puts a ton of cards in the grave once it gets going, so drawing 3 for 1 is pretty normal.

Yeah, just got banned a few days ago and haven't edited my list on here yet. Doesn't hurt me as much as it hurts most other decks playing it as i was only running 1 anyway. I have a few options; i'm thinking about just adding the 4th Gifts, maybe a Batterskull, maybe a planeswalker like Chandra, Kiora, or Jace, or i might try to make room for some Scavenging Oozes. Not 100% sure which route i'm going to take yet. What do you think?

Here's my budget Mono Red. Going old school with this guy.
http://www.mtgvault.com/alleywayjack/decks/mono-red-ponza/

I also want to add that i've seen plenty $1000+ piles of garbage on this site. Playing expensive cards doesn't mean you have a good deck.

Here is my rebuttal

I think the 20 minute combo turn, is just 1 of the cool things in magic you can do. It may not be fun for the person losing, but it's fun for the one that's winning. But honestly the same can be said for almost every archetype, except maybe midrange. but at least with combo you are doing something interesting, and challenging.

Aggo- It's not very fun getting ran over by a bunch of super efficient creatures t4 every game.
Control- It's not very fun getting everything you do countered or answered and then slow wasting away to whatever few win conditions kill you on turn 20.
Tempo- It's not very fun getting beat down by 1 ultra efficient under costed creature while every thing you do gets countered or answered.
Prison- it's not very fun getting locked out of the game.
etc,

You see what i'm saying? What's fun for 1 person may not be fun for the other. But the main point to get to, is that if both decks are constructed well enough, none of these worst case scenarios should happen, because both decks will be fully capable a answering the opposing decks.

Like that green land destruction deck. Awesome deck, and super annoying to play against. but would that deck stand a chance in Modern? no way. In legacy? no chance at all. So while the decks strategy is effective, and super aggravating to play against, a well constructed, competitive list can break it in half.

In a competitive format, where both players are playing equally efficient decks, whether your winning t2, or 3-4, or even 5, there will be huge amounts of interaction. Because the cards are so good at what they do, and so efficiently costed, even when the game is sped up dramatically, there is a lot happening. I would argue that more happens in 4 turns of modern, than 8 turns of casual. And if we're talking about legacy, you can have more happening in 1 turn, than turns and turns of casual.

In competitive formats the gameplay is far more complicated, intricate, and interactive than you think. I would suggest playing the formats before making judgement on them. Standard is basic, and honestly less complex, interactive, and interesting than casual. I really don't understand the appeal there at all. But Modern has a ton going on in it. I know it seems like games ending on t4 is crazy, but honestly, it's really not like every deck is destroying you t4. it's more like, a lot of decks can "goldfish" a t4 win, but against an actual opponent with interaction, t4 wins aren't very frequent. But even when a player does win t4, or even t2 or 3 in Modern, almost all the cards are so cheap and efficient, there has been a ton of meaningful interaction that has sculpted the outcome of the game. The fact that the decks, and cards are so powerful makes the game that much more difficult and unforgiving. Every play counts 10 fold. In casual you can get away with screwing up and still get by. In a format like Modern, you need to make every play count. To me this makes the game far more interesting, and puts a larger emphasis on player skill , and strategy. All this can be said for Legacy as well but even more intensely. Legacy is by far the most interactive, complex, skill intensive way you can play magic. Having access to so many efficient spells, and such good deck manipulation makes decks far more consistent, which again places more emphasis in player skill, and strategy.

I guess the casual players like 20 turn games where they can fuck up over and over again and still somehow win, but to me that doesn't seem like a good time. I want to play a game where my player skill matters, and where every play has a purpose.

And honestly the whole Spike thing.. I'm not even a Spike, and this place still drives me crazy. I love playing out of the box combo decks. I'm not the guy playing the latest flavor of the week that is killing the current meta. I'm going to play what i wanna play, and i want to be doing something interesting, stylish, and unorthodox. But you can do those things and still be competitive.

I think i may try a budget deck for Jesse though.

If you think i'm jealous of some kitchen table casual ass magic player you're smoking crack

Thanks man

I'll check it out, but next time i would appreciate some feedback on my deck as well.

This guy drives me fucking crazy. Stop getting all your shitty ass decks on the front page. You are single handedly bringing this whole fucking site down.

Richard Garfield's original magic deck. This is why we can only play 4 of each card now.

Are you kidding me? LOL. It will see Legacy play. It's that good. That card is INSANE. A group of us have started testing a few new cards on Cockatrice already, and i gotta tell you. That guy is completely ridiculous.

I don't like Nyx-Fleece Ram at all, but i do like the addition of white. I think you NEED to add Monastery Mentor when it comes out. That card is insane, and essentially gives you 8 Pyromancers.

You should check out Fatestitcher. He's insane with this combo! I would also go up to 4 Cruise, and maybe think about playing Thought Scour to fuel Cruise and Stitcher

I've been playing a Modern version, and the deck has really been slaying
http://www.mtgvault.com/alleywayjack/decks/modern-ascendancy/

Nope. no Ponder or Preordain. We're stuck with Serum Visions, and Sleight of Hand.

Raven's Crime is good. Especially against control decks, but in the current Treasure Cruise infested meta it's not quite as good. Also like Zaklax said, taking Assault Loam into 4 color territory gets a bit risky. 3 colors is already pushing it.

Thanks! My sideboard didn't start off so clean though. I've been playing this deck a ton lately, and making tweaks here and there. Really happy where it's at now.

Yeah basically, but this ones more based on the Legacy version with maindeck Pyromancers. This is definitely one of those decks that's way crazier than it initially looks. Once you actually play against it, you realize how obnoxious it gets.

I think in the Delver decks, where you want to be fueling Monastary Swiftspear as much as possible, Treasure Cruise is much better. I think Dig is better on Combo, and Control decks though. And while this maybe somehow look like a delver deck to you at first glance, it's actually a combo/control deck.