forza215

well theres affinity, elves, burn, merfolk(depending on if you rune fow or not), linear reanimator,
but alot of it depends on how you set up you land base ex.(fetch,duals and wastelands)

i feel your quit right here raging, but some of the best legacy decks Ive seen are only 100 to 250 at most

you could add seat of the synod and great furnace, and you could also us shrapnel blast and/or galvanic blast

Correct me if im wrong here< but is dirt pretty much a hatebears or maverick variation? otherwise great job dude...

well why i like emptrial better is it has fly also, whereas plated and kalonian have only shroud and no trample or something of the sort. but inkwell is a definite possibility.

while it that betrays can be powerful, im not a huge fan of eldrazi unless its kolziake or or rarely emrukal.

shallow grave is just like vengeance, but you would mostlickly have to build the deck around those to cards and something like griselbrand, emrukel, or world spine for the creatures. other wise it would be a great idea also.

this is a link to a goryo's vengence theamed deck i built a while back to see how it would work if at all.
http://www.mtgvault.com/forza215/decks/show-and-vengeance-reanimator/

you are correct undead, once its in the grave yard you can target it and abilities are pointless unless it said it had a active graveyard affect while its there kinda like brawn or filth.

thanks for the comment dude.
but good point, i overlooked its shuffle ability, so i think ill try it out and see how it works.

i could possibly and maybe take out 2 buried alives for them or i could do a few Hapless Researcher's instead of the imp, what do you think of that?

i like it.
But Diabolic Tutor seems like it could be replaced i don't know for what though.
finally, it would be cool to see you make some sort of budget deck based around iso-seek or extraction if you run out of ideas.

what would your thoughts on a sheoldred, whispering one be for a deck like this??

i see now, thanks for enlightening me on the always awesome smokestack.

once again another great deck shur... so what id like to know is, whats a good number of counters to have on smoke stack so its effective but not to over effective?? never can seem to make it work right for myself.

well put dude, well put...

opps, haha forgot you only want it to be around 50 for the mid range.

how about a few vesuva's so you get more urza land then?? just a athought

forget about him dude. but you are missing your regrowth and balance in here.
but this is what i run when me and my friends play vintage and just proxie the hell out of it.
http://www.mtgvault.com/forza215/decks/vintage-fun/

he wins with sorrins -3 and attacks after he clears the board with lilianas ultimate and dismember/throughts

you have the right idea here, but some possible ideas here would be to drop 1 sphinx and jin (and possibly the the missteps to make it legacy legal) for a iona and another entomb or even a griselbrand in my opinion. good job though.

ah totally escaped my mind on that on thanks dude.