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heres one of my decks that i use venser in you can also add more vensers and proberbly take out genesis wave as you may kill the vensers
venser's ability works great with halimar excavator and buffing up allies even more

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=320682

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=326174 this has more vensers with a frost titan combo

One of the things I love about Venser is his first [+2] ability. You can use it on anything, including Venser himself, that you don't want your opponent to beat down during his/her turn. Then, as the opponent's turn is ending, the permanent comes back under your control.

This little trick makes Venser literally untouchable as he can exile himself and come back into the game at the beginning of your opponent's (the "next") end step. Each time, he gets +2 loyalty tokens. A couple of turns of that and you can get his emblem, which is a game winner.

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This little trick makes Venser literally untouchable as he can exile himself and come back into the game at the beginning of your opponent's (the "next") end step. Each time, he gets +2 loyalty tokens. A couple of turns of that and you can get his emblem, which is a game winner.[/QUOTE]


first of all, the next end step after you use his ability is your own. he returns to play during your turn, not your opponent's.

secondly, when a planeswalker enters play, he gets loyalty counters equal to what's printed on his card. So if you use his +2 on himself, he just re-enters with 3...you have effectively accomplished nothing at all.

Ah ha! I completely misunderstood "next" end step. In reading the comprehensive rules, the "next end step" is the one at the end of the turn that he would have exiled himself on. I'm learning.

Now, that brings me to a clarifying question:

According to the way your reply is worded, it looks like when a card comes out of exile, it returns to its original (read "beginning") state. If that's the case, then any abilities that trigger when the card is put onto the battlefield are triggered again, as if the card was being placed for the first time. Is that correct?

That would open up a ba-zillion interesting combos and possibilities, if that is the case.

Yes. Many of the new cards, like Cloudshift, which exile a creature only to have it come back into play immediately, are often used to simply re-trigger an enters-the-battlefield ability. This type of play/mechanic is usually referred to as 'blinking'

Thank you Seras, you rock.