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B/R Vampires need help
2x Blood Seeker
4x Bloodline Keeper
4x Rakish Heir
3x Stromkirk Noble
1x Olivia Voldaren
4x Erdwal Ripper
1x Markov Blademaster
1x Falkenrath Aristocrat
4x Stromkirk Captain
Enchantments
2x Curse of Stalked Prey
Land
2x Blackcleave Cliffs
4x Dragonskull Summit
9x Swamp
6x Mountain
Planeswalkers
1x Liliana of the Veil
Spells
2x Doom Blade
2x Taste of Blood
4x Shock
4x Bump in the Night
Viroids
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Posted 15 March 2012 at 05:43
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Viroids
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anyone have any ideas?
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Posted 15 March 2012 at 20:07
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racky54
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Volt Charge maybe? Also have more Markov Blademaster and Bloodlord of Vaasgoth in place of Erdwal Ripper. I am personally not a fan of Falkenrath Aristocrat either, put if it works well then don't remove it.
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Posted 17 March 2012 at 23:24
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Viroids
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Here is my new updated deck. pulled some cards
2x Blood Seeker
4x Bloodline Keeper
4x Rakish Heir
4x Stromkirk Noble
1x Olivia Voldaren
3x Markov Blademaster
1x Falkenrath Aristocrat
4x Stromkirk Captain
Enchantments
2x Curse of Stalked Prey
Land
2x Blackcleave Cliffs
4x Dragonskull Summit
9x Swamp
6x Mountain
Planeswalkers
2x Liliana of the Veil
Spells
2x Doom Blade
2x Taste of Blood
4x Shock
4x Bump in the Night
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Posted 18 March 2012 at 06:09
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mattovarius
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I would drop the Falkenrath Aristocrat and add a 2nd Olivia. Also, I'd take out 2 basic lands (probably swamps) and put in the other 2 Blackcleave Cliffs for a full playset. That will make the mana base more consistent.
Also you may want to think about Tragic Slip instead of Doom Blade - it's really good in this format and you don't have to worry about not being able to use it on black creatures. It's ESPECIALLY good when combined with Liliana, because you can make them sac a creature and then Tragic Slip becomes a -13/-13 counter :) I would probably run 4 Tragic Slip, put the Doom Blades in the sideboard, and maybe drop to 2 Bump in the Night.
Also, I'd try to fit 2 Bloodlord of Vasgoth in there. You could probably take out the 2 Blood Seekers - they seem to work better as a sideboard card.
Also, consider running Volt Charge instead of Shock, since your vamps (especially Stromkirk Noble) and Liliana can really benefit from the proliferate.
Maybe even take out 2 of the Rakish Heir and put in 2 more Curse of Stalked Prey. If you can get more than one of those out, the counters stack!
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Posted 19 March 2012 at 13:11
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Viroids
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Thank you.
I have been looking for 2 more Blackcleave Cliffs, they are hard to come by where I live. Do you think I should add one more mountain and take out a swamp. I never thought about Tragic Slip before I'll though those in right now.
On our WNM at the local card shop I'll pick up a few Volt Charges those sound like a good idea. I do have one Bloodlord of Vaasgoth so I'll swap it out and try to find another one. I was think about the Curse of Stalk Prey and I do have four of those so I'll do that.
Once again thanks for the incite.
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Posted 20 March 2012 at 01:29
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goropeza
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Bloodlord of Vaasgoth is not that good imo, especially if you look at Bloodline Keepr and Olivia Voldaren who both cost only four and are better than he is. 2 Olivia's is the sweet spot for me. I also used to run Blood Seeker for my 2 CMC creature dropbut I'm starting to favor the Vampire Interlopers more because they work better with Bloodline Keepers and his Flying can screw people over early in the game.
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Posted 20 March 2012 at 03:33
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mattovarius
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[QUOTE=goropeza]Bloodlord of Vaasgoth is not that good imo, especially if you look at Bloodline Keepr and Olivia Voldaren who both cost only four and are better than he is. 2 Olivia's is the sweet spot for me. I also used to run Blood Seeker for my 2 CMC creature dropbut I'm starting to favor the Vampire Interlopers more because they work better with Bloodline Keepers and his Flying can screw people over early in the game.[/QUOTE]
I think the Bloodlord is great, especially combined with the Keeper. Keeper creates vampire tokens and Bloodlord can give them all bloodthirst 3 and make them huge.
I definitely agree about the Interlopers though! It's nice to have cheap flyers.
It's basically up to personal preference at that point. The only problem I've had with vamps is that it's a little slow, and if your opponent has lots of removal, all those counters you rack up with the Curse of Stalked Prey and all that go away easily :/
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Posted 20 March 2012 at 13:10
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mattovarius
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[QUOTE=Viroids]Thank you.
I have been looking for 2 more Blackcleave Cliffs, they are hard to come by where I live. Do you think I should add one more mountain and take out a swamp. I never thought about Tragic Slip before I'll though those in right now.
On our WNM at the local card shop I'll pick up a few Volt Charges those sound like a good idea. I do have one Bloodlord of Vaasgoth so I'll swap it out and try to find another one. I was think about the Curse of Stalk Prey and I do have four of those so I'll do that.
Once again thanks for the incite.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome! Do you have this decklist posted on the Vault? In there you can see exactly what percentage of your deck is black vs. red and easily get an idea of how many swamps/mountains you should have.
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Posted 20 March 2012 at 13:11
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Viroids
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[QUOTE=mattovarius]You're welcome! Do you have this decklist posted on the Vault? In there you can see exactly what percentage of your deck is black vs. red and easily get an idea of how many swamps/mountains you should have.[/QUOTE]
Here is my current deck as is until Wednesday, when I'll be getting a few cards that you suggested.
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=310400
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Posted 20 March 2012 at 13:50
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mattovarius
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[QUOTE=Viroids]Here is my current deck as is until Wednesday, when I'll be getting a few cards that you suggested.
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=310400[/QUOTE]
Looks like you are almost 50/50 with the colors, so when you can, I'd just take out 2 swamps and replace them with the 2 Blackcleave Cliffs (so that will leave you with 4 of each multi land, 7 swamps, and 6 mountains).
Then depending on how the deck play tests, you may want to increase your overall mana base by 1 - 2 if you find that you are finding your larger creatures and don't have enough mana on the board.
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Posted 20 March 2012 at 15:39
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Viroids
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[QUOTE=mattovarius]Looks like you are almost 50/50 with the colors, so when you can, I'd just take out 2 swamps and replace them with the 2 Blackcleave Cliffs (so that will leave you with 4 of each multi land, 7 swamps, and 6 mountains).
Then depending on how the deck play tests, you may want to increase your overall mana base by 1 - 2 if you find that you are finding your larger creatures and don't have enough mana on the board.[/QUOTE]
Alright but the problem is i cant find any BlackCleave Cliffs. So should I keep it as is?
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Posted 20 March 2012 at 15:41
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mattovarius
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[QUOTE=Viroids]Alright but the problem is i cant find any BlackCleave Cliffs. So should I keep it as is?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it looks okay as it is. If you're interested in getting the Blackcleave Cliffs, I suggest shopping online. You can find almost anything and usually pretty cheap!
You can find these on Amazon and eBay and such, but my favorite site is Cardshark. The only thing for Cardshark is that you want to try and get all your cards from one seller, since multiple sellers results in multiple shipping costs. But usually you can find the cards the cheapest there!
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Posted 21 March 2012 at 13:56
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goropeza
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@ Mattovarius
I suppose that Bloodlord of Vaasgoth would be better for a deck that ran some burn like Bump in the Nights or Incinerates and such. I shouldn't have really called it a bad card. I just don't like it as much as the BL Keeper or Olivia. My main gripe is that for you to get the most out of him, either you have to deal creature damage on turn 5 then cast him on main phase 2 or wait till turn 6 to play a Bump then cast him to trigger his bloodthirst. Otherwise, you're paying 5 for a 3/3 flyer that has a chance of buffing your other vamps IF you can deal steady damage (which is much easier if you use burn admittedly).
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Posted 22 March 2012 at 03:39
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mattovarius
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[QUOTE=goropeza]@ Mattovarius
I suppose that Bloodlord of Vaasgoth would be better for a deck that ran some burn like Bump in the Nights or Incinerates and such. I shouldn't have really called it a bad card. I just don't like it as much as the BL Keeper or Olivia. My main gripe is that for you to get the most out of him, either you have to deal creature damage on turn 5 then cast him on main phase 2 or wait till turn 6 to play a Bump then cast him to trigger his bloodthirst. Otherwise, you're paying 5 for a 3/3 flyer that has a chance of buffing your other vamps IF you can deal steady damage (which is much easier if you use burn admittedly).[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I suggested it for this deck since he is running some burn, direct damage and since he has the Blood Seekers which also deal direct damage. So he has a pretty good amount of stuff to set up the bloodthirst. But yeah the Keeper and Olivia are totally better than the Bloodlord, but they also work nicely together :)
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Posted 22 March 2012 at 14:59
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