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I like it a lot Gary! I've been playing around with it and there are a few things I would change though...

Not all the PWs have the same syntax, for example Tezz the Seeker's text box is done as +1: Blah blah blah, while Tezz, AoB is |+1|: Blah blah blah.

The word æther is only accepted using the diphthong (the single character æ), and not aether. Typing Aether returns no hits in fact. I don't know what language you use for coding, but in many languages you can create a hidden secondary definition, so for example the card Æther Vial would be defined as either Æther Vial or AEther Vial.

I really love how if you go to a card, you can click a link that auto searches for decks with the card. Thats a great mechanic.

To speed up common usage, I think making the choice of if your searching name or type or whatever unhidden, as I think that would be a very commonly used feature. I also dislike how a search from the main page can only search names.... the "advanced search" thing isn't on the main page.

It would be kinda cool if you could (while on a card's page) click the image to get a large version of the card, as it can be a little hard to read.

Just some thoughts, I'll keep playing with it and see what I come up with.

Great stuff! I really like it a lot :) esp. how you can sort the cards into different categories. Maybe adding adding something that cud sort cards by enchantments or instants even sorting by rarity. I really like the random card too :)

btw do you have a mtgvault acct?

The site looks great. I really like the aesthetics of it. I am a WoWTCG player so I will only comment on that part of the site. I LOVE that you can select multiple sets and/or card types in the advanced search. It helps a lot when searching for draft or block constructed cards. The =/>/</>=/<= selections are a welcome addition as well.

The thing that kills this right now is that you can't specify the classes! The first search I tried was paladin abilities in the new block format. I tried searching paladin in all of the text search selections but nothing came up. Please add this asap!

The search results look very nice but they do require quite a bit of scrolling to see all the cards. I like the old site better in this regard, with a short summary of the stats of the card and a mouse-over to see the image. The card images are borderline too small to ready anyway so the screen space they are taking up is pretty much wasted in my opinion.

It would also be awesome if we could search quests by cost to complete. I know that many quests don't have a straight forward resource cost but for the ones that do it would be great to be able to search for them that way.

Also a bug I came across was that when you open the advanced search bar it covered up the first card in the search. It would be better if it just pushed all the cards down one space when it opened.

Keep up the good work!

Edit: Ok I just noticed that you can change the view of the cards. The 4th option on the far right is my favorite but it would be awesome if the card image showed up when you mouse-over the name or maybe put an icon on the side that we can mouse-over the see the image similar to the old site.

Thanks for the feedback everyone! I'm going to address a couple of points below:

RaggedJoe:
We will make the radio buttons (type, name etc) visible all the time. Great suggestion! Large images - we are currently working on - we have hi res images somewhere :p
Not sure what were going to do about the home page search, will have to think about that one.
AE / symbol should work - i'll ask Gary about that one!

doc:

You can sort by type, rarity etc - but maybe the option isn't clear enough, we will take a look at that!

Agrius:

We have "allowed class" on the list of things to add - it got missed (Gary doesn't play much WoW TCG :p), but we will get it added soon! After that though, I think we've covered nearly all bases?
Will have a look at the hover over feature - I'm glad you found the different view types :) Would you think a different view would be better as default? It should keep it as you try different searches as well, so you only need to choose it once per session (i.e time on the site).
The advanced search is meant to cover the results - by the fact you are trying to refine your results, the current set are necessarly relevant? I'll speak to Gary about it though!

Thanks for your testing and feedback everyone!

Thanks

Ian

Hmm, yeah I thought I got AE working to be honest, I'll have to take another look! I should be able to get back on it tomorrow night, though I also have a bit of DIY to do at home as well! ;)

Thanks for all the comments/suggestions guys, all noted!

All the information I get from Gatherer, more definable searches, and easier to use. Well, it gets my vote for awesome.

Once the Æ/AE issue is handled, I think it will fully usurp the Gatherer. It's already a bookmark. Really nice job on the engine, and very nice layout.

Thanks! That was the idea! :)

I know what the Æ/AE issue is and it's an easy fix, I'll get it done tonight.

This is a really pretty gatherer. I like it a great deal. A couple of things; one: the on-hover or on-click pop-up for larger card images is a great idea for those of us who like the pretty pictures out there. Two: You should definitely consider adding different views for your search results i.e. plaintext, cardimage only, Card and Text, Simplified card, etc. Yes, I'm ripping off Gatherer here, but it looks good so far. Also, it loads faster than gatherer, that makes it my current card search engine. See if you can get a Firefox search bar added for it, that'd also be fantastic.

Yes Agrius! I totally think have cards sorted out by there ability would be great, like sorting out by infect, or exalted, double strike, etc. But again love the site going to use it rather than findmagiccards.com :D

Actually nevermind about that the advanced search is awesome!!!

I really like this most ppl have mentioned everything like searching for creature types but also alot of the time I'm on my iPhone browsing and the rarity is unclear cause it's small lol so maybe in the description box next to the cards type line and mana cost put down its rarity that would be cool but im really happy about this thanks again vault team keep it up

Right, I think the AE issue is fixed now if you guys could take a look and test it out that'd be great...

I've not yet tested the site on any mobile device to be honest, I shall take a look at some point! Thanks again for the kind words guys, glad it was worth making! :)

[quote=NightLoki]This is a really pretty gatherer. I like it a great deal. A couple of things; one: the on-hover or on-click pop-up for larger card images is a great idea for those of us who like the pretty pictures out there. Two: You should definitely consider adding different views for your search results i.e. plaintext, cardimage only, Card and Text, Simplified card, etc. Yes, I'm ripping off Gatherer here, but it looks good so far. Also, it loads faster than gatherer, that makes it my current card search engine. See if you can get a Firefox search bar added for it, that'd also be fantastic.[/quote]

1. We are going to do the larger image thing, just want to get them all first.

2. In the top right corner of the search results page are four little icons that allow you to change the display type of the search results, is this the sort of thing you meant?

3. What do you mean by Firefox search bar? I have opensearch support built into the site so if you click on your search box options in Firefox you can add TCG Vault as a search option and use the search box to search for cards instead of using it to search Google, Yahoo, etc. :)

That's exactly what I meant on the search bar, just no idea how it worked. Cool.

I think its great. One thing I did notice, which was an issue on the mtgvault search that never got fixed, is that you have the Urza's Legacy and Urza's Destiny symbols mixed up. For example: http://www.tcgvault.com/mtg/uds/pattern-of-rebirth/. The card has a Vial on it, while in the text you show the hammer.

This is just minor, but something I noticed. Good job and keep up the good work.

[QUOTE=doctercool]Yes Agrius! I totally think have cards sorted out by there ability would be great, like sorting out by infect, or exalted, double strike, etc. But again love the site going to use it rather than findmagiccards.com :D[/QUOTE]

This should be as easy as searching card text for the relevant keyword...

ae is indeed fixed now :)

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Again, the way you have coded planeswalkers isn't the same between cards. I don't have a problem with either way, but its an inconsistency. Appologies if you don't care, but I'm a programer myself who is into making things nice and neat, and I know others who are the same. Also, some may interfere with searching. I did a "planeswalker" search and I think I've noted every coding difference (I think):

1) Some abilities have |*| around the cost (See Tezz the Seeker, and Tezz AoB)

2) Some planeswalkers have nothing (not even a space) separating abilities (see Garruk Wildspeaker)

3) Tezz, AoB has {3}# designating his initial loyalty of 3, though no other planeswalker does.

4) Jace, Memory Adept has his abilities as "|+1:| Draw a card..." while all other planeswalkers have the colon on the outside

5) Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker has no art

6) Ajani Goldmane is just a mess really... His first ability has neither a colon or |*|, his second ability has a colon and a space before it, and his third ability has a colon but no space before it.

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In other news...

I love how the advanced search is an overlay of the current page instead of a new page.

I would put the radio buttons in the order they appear on the card itself (ie, move "type" so it is in front of "text"

I think it would be cool if you could filter by format legality.

The word "search" being in white on the homepage annoys me because its not a link or anything, unlike the other white words on the page....

besides that, and the inability to use advanced search on the homepage... I think its pretty awesome. Nice work

Right, didn't have a lot of time to work on fixes today but I've done a couple:

1) I've fixed the searchtype radio buttons to the bottom of the search bar and they are shown all the time instead of only in advanced search.
2) I've changed the order of the radio buttons to match the order these attributes appear on the cards.

I will fix the other stuff this weekend! :)

I've also noticed that Conflux images don't load, I know why this is but I've not fixed it yet so this will serve as a reminder to do that.

Wow, I really like this search engine. Its really nicely done.

It is very cool indeed:D
I have just found one problem, but I maybe doing it wrong. In the advanced search if I select Include these card types or include these card expansions, I can't unselect them, and there is no all or none option... What do I do, is this an error, please help...

Oh, and the "print proxies" option... Thank you!!! This is so gonna help me at testing decks!:D

[QUOTE=crackjunior1]It is very cool indeed:D
I have just found one problem, but I maybe doing it wrong. In the advanced search if I select Include these card types or include these card expansions, I can't unselect them, and there is no all or none option... What do I do, is this an error, please help...[/QUOTE]

This is kind of non-intuitive, but alt+click deselects something.

yeah, but they should add an all or none option, or maybe clicking again would unsellect... Just trying to help:D

Yea. It took me a while to figure it out. Same goes to multiple sections, you gotta use ctrl+click. Maybe jst have it so that you click and it stays selected until you unclick it?

Hello,

The control is a standard control that's used in the ASP.NET framework. You can also hold click and drag select across the options. We are in the process of writing an FAQ and will make sure we include description of how to use the various options :)

Thanks for the feedback so far and keep it up!! We'll work on fixing everything bit by bit!

Ian

[quote=pete_h]I think its great. One thing I did notice, which was an issue on the mtgvault search that never got fixed, is that you have the Urza's Legacy and Urza's Destiny symbols mixed up. For example: http://www.tcgvault.com/mtg/uds/pattern-of-rebirth/. The card has a Vial on it, while in the text you show the hammer.

This is just minor, but something I noticed. Good job and keep up the good work.[/quote]

I had no idea this was the case, nobody had mentioned it to me before! I've fixed this both on mtgvault and tcgvault now! :)

[quote=raggedjoe]1) Some abilities have |*| around the cost (See Tezz the Seeker, and Tezz AoB) - I've removed all pipes from text descriptions.

2) Some planeswalkers have nothing (not even a space) separating abilities (see Garruk Wildspeaker) - I've certainly fixed Garruk and a few other's that I noticed by adding a spaces, I'm not sure this is clear enough though. Maybe we should've kept the pipes?

3) Tezz, AoB has {3}# designating his initial loyalty of 3, though no other planeswalker does. - Fixed.

4) Jace, Memory Adept has his abilities as "|+1:| Draw a card..." while all other planeswalkers have the colon on the outside - Pipes are gone, so, fixed.

5) Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker has no art - This is due to the conflux bug (at the moment, none of the conflux art is working) which I'll be fixing shortly.

6) Ajani Goldmane is just a mess really... His first ability has neither a colon or |*|, his second ability has a colon and a space before it, and his third ability has a colon but no space before it. - Fixed.

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In other news...

I love how the advanced search is an overlay of the current page instead of a new page. - Thanks!

I would put the radio buttons in the order they appear on the card itself (ie, move "type" so it is in front of "text" - Done.

I think it would be cool if you could filter by format legality. - True, don't have time for this right now though!

The word "search" being in white on the homepage annoys me because its not a link or anything, unlike the other white words on the page.... - At least somebody agrees with you, Ian...

besides that, and the inability to use advanced search on the homepage... I think its pretty awesome. Nice work[/quote]

Fixed most of these tonight! :)

Another thing... Some cards are missing, or at least I can't find them.

Ex: type: rath's edge (no result)
type: volrath's stronghold (no result)

One thing both have in common is the " 's " so, that may be what's causing the problem. I don't know...

Yeah, I noticed that problem in the search function on mtgvault as well. I kept forgetting to bring it up but using cards with apostrophes in the name with the bulk uploader causes it to miss.

Hmmm can't seem to get it to error on MTG Vault - but will get TCG Vault fixed shortly.

Bulk importer and card search seem to work for: Rath's Edge and Volrath's Stronghold. Can yuo give me some examples pelase Loki?

Cheers

I couldn't get the card search to work with either of those cards, or Tezzeret's gambit. Unless I just spelled the names wrong.

[QUOTE=sethbodine]I couldn't get the card search to work with either of those cards, or Tezzeret's gambit. Unless I just spelled the names wrong.[/QUOTE]

On what site, tcgvault? If so, that makes sense as I haven't fixed it yet :p

Also, Thrummingbird doesn't have an image on tcgvault, and the card Conflux is a sorcery but on the card search page Sorcery 0/0 3WUBRG, giving it a power and toughness.

Another small thing: On Elixir of Immortality, under the card rules section it says {2}, {T}: You gain 5 life. Shuffle Elixir of Immortality into its owner's library. It neglects to mention that you also shuffle your graveyard into your library.

Good spots, I applaud your effort :D All fixed except Thrummingbird, I'm gonna do a missing image check now and see what's named wrong

Really appreciate the help!

Ian

Right just finished on MTG - that should have fixed a bunch that werent working (on both MTG and TCG vaults)

I'm not entirely sure that this is a mistake, but when you run a search with Abbey Matron as a result, two different copies of Abbey Matron will show up on the search result list.

[QUOTE=sethbodine]I'm not entirely sure that this is a mistake, but when you run a search with Abbey Matron as a result, two different copies of Abbey Matron will show up on the search result list.[/QUOTE]

How did you make that happen? Searching for "Abbey" only gets one (unless they fixed this?)

Also, I think it would be much more useful if you used the oracle text rather than the card text, as this makes searching for some things difficult (for example, searching "dies" in the text only returns 10 results when it should return 370 results)

Also, I don't know if this would even be possible, but if we could search for "when ~ dies", that would be really awesome.

[QUOTE=raggedjoe]How did you make that happen? Searching for "Abbey" only gets one.[/QUOTE]
Well, either the problem was fixed, or the problem was on my end, but it seems to be working OK now.

Hi, sorry, I fixed that bug :) it was due to multiple prints for a card when filtering down on results or if that card was only in one set. Either way, fixed !

Ian

If my small blips are starting to irk you, just ask and I will stop posting them. Until there, there is another thing that I noticed, this time for the card rules of Rooting Kavu:

When Rooting Kavu is put into a graveyard from play, you may remove it from the game. If you do, shuffle al creature cards from your graveyard into your library.

Notice that there is a missing l in all.

No please carry on! :)

Fixed that one though :)

Cheers

[QUOTE=Ian]No please carry on! :)

Fixed that one though :)

Cheers[/QUOTE]

Just want to reemphasize my previous points :) Especially about modern wording, as for some cards (Serra Avenger), it makes a difference in game. Reading the actual card implies that it can't be played via, say, Aether Vial, when in fact it can

I think we have the oracle text from gatherer, so will take a look at adding it into the viewcard pages.

Cheers

Bloodlord of Vaasgoth is illustrated by Greg Staples, the card information states that it was illustrated by Min Yum, who illustrated the pre-release version of the card.

Thanks Seth, fixed :D

Ian

The card information for Tolarian Academy says Legd land, instead of legendary land.

The new commanders have common in their rarity, when they are actually mythic rare:D

Your card description for Living Armor says {T}: Sacrifice Living Armor to put a +0/+X counter on target creature, where X is equal to that creature's casting cost. The Gatherer's Oracle text says that it is X +0/+1 counters. I am not sure if your card description goes by card text or Oracle text, so I am uncertain as to whether or not this even is a mistake, but its something I noticed.

Fixed Tolarian Academy.

Not sure what you mean crackjunior1, can you give me links to the incorrect ones?

I also think the text is ok for Living Armor as we're using card text, however, I do agree we should look into adding the oracle text to the database.

http://www.tcgvault.com/mtg/com/riku-of-two-reflections/

In the rarity box it reads "common" which is wrong... :D

I think this is the same to all new commander legendary creatures... I've checked "The Mimeoplasm" and "Zedruu the Greathearted" and both have the same problem...:D

The dragons are alright though... :D

Thanks crackjunior1, i'll take a look at those tomorrow!

Ian

On the card Zombie infestation (M12, not Odyssey) it states The nomads' funeral pyres are more partical than ceremonial in the flavour text, using partical rather than practical.

Fixed Zombie Infestation and all the Mythics in Commander are now Mythic!

Thanks again guys

Cheers