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Praetor's Grasp is worth 4 in your deck. I love that card. Especially since your only win condition is Jace. Also, mass removal in some form is almost a must. I'm going to be adding a few BSZ's to mine, just because Life's Finale is a bit slow. I'll still use 2 Life's finale, cause I like removing 3 creatures from their library, but I will use them with a couple BSZ's. I guess if your meta is more control than anything, then I guess you can get away with it.

What would you recommend I drop for the extra grasps and bsz's?

I would put Jace back up to 4, since he is the only way you have to actually win, unless you get lucky and hit them for 2 damage every turn with your Thada Adel. I would take out the Into the Roil's They aren't needed. With the list you have right now, I would:
-3 Into the Roil
+2 JTMS
+1 either Sadistic Sacrament/Memoricide.

But then you have to think about, what if they aren't playing your colors or artifacts. Then the Praetor's Grasp won't help you except to get rid of one of their threats. Are you then going to be able to protect Jace until he can win you the game? You could:
-3 into the roil
-2 Sadistic Sacrament
+2 JTMS
+1 Wurmcoil Engine
+2 Phyrexian Obliterator

That would give you ways to win.

I'm still new to the Extractor deck, but that may give you some ideas. How has the deck been working for you?

jace and thada adel aren't my primary win conditions, the basic theme of the deck is to keep their board clear (gftt, doom blade, roil) and pick off every single one of their win conditions. psychic surgery is what the deck is built on. Jace is truly a secondary win condition, and thada adel is there more to make them shuffle the library to psychic surgery. Or at least that is my philosophy, I could be way off base.

Sadly I don't have the deck built, I am trying to get feedback on this site so that I can find a deck worth buying all the cards for as opposed to spending hundreds on booster boxes of standard sets.

Point in fact I would really appreciate it if you could check out some of my other decks and if you find any of them interesting (well the standard legal ones anyway) give me some feedback there too.

Even with all that said you may be right, maybe go:

- 1 praetors grasp

+1 sadistic sacrament

same price and I get to steal 3 cards.

[QUOTE=brandozercs]jace and thada adel aren't my primary win conditions, the basic theme of the deck is to keep their board clear (gftt, doom blade, roil) and pick off every single one of their win conditions. psychic surgery is what the deck is built on. Jace is truly a secondary win condition, and thada adel is there more to make them shuffle the library to psychic surgery. Or at least that is my philosophy, I could be way off base.

Sadly I don't have the deck built, I am trying to get feedback on this site so that I can find a deck worth buying all the cards for as opposed to spending hundreds on booster boxes of standard sets.

Point in fact I would really appreciate it if you could check out some of my other decks and if you find any of them interesting (well the standard legal ones anyway) give me some feedback there too.

Even with all that said you may be right, maybe go:

- 1 praetors grasp

+1 sadistic sacrament

same price and I get to steal 3 cards.[/QUOTE]

I understand the theme of the deck, but that's not going to win the game. There is a difference between a theme and a win condition. While building a deck that removes all their threats is fun, and it makes it easier for you to win, you still need a way to win, and with the deck list like it is, the only way for you to actually win is Jace. Also, if you don't actually have the cards, you're going to seriously drop over 400 for a playset of JTMS's? If so, it must be nice, but if not then you don't have a win condition at all in your deck...

Quite frankly in my opinion you do need a bit more to make this deck completely viable with a decent kill condition.

-3 Into the Roil
+3 Spreading Seas

And remember one thing Pete, Praetor's Grasp CAN steal land from an opponent. I've taken manlands right outta a guys deck with Praetor's Grasp.

Speaking of Manlands...

-4 Darkslick Shores
+4 Creeping Tar Pit

Just a few ideas to add.

eh, you're probably right. Lets see if I can't beef this guy up a bit.

[QUOTE=Safearus]Quite frankly in my opinion you do need a bit more to make this deck completely viable with a decent kill condition.

-3 Into the Roil
+3 Spreading Seas

And remember one thing Pete, Praetor's Grasp CAN steal land from an opponent. I've taken manlands right outta a guys deck with Praetor's Grasp.
Speaking of Manlands...

-4 Darkslick Shores
+4 Creeping Tar Pit

Just a few ideas to add.[/QUOTE]

Ya you're right, but then you have to take other lands to be able to use it, unless they use Creeping Tar Pit's. Then you used a few Praetor's Grasp just to be able to use their manland. The thing about this meta is that there are alot of Wurmcoil Engines to steal. I've also used Preator's grasp alot to steal Mana Leaks and GFTT's from my opponents. I'd usually steal an answer to a threat than get a threat that they will have an answer for. This is all assuming they are playing colors that I can use. It's a whole different kind of game when they play :manag:, :manar:, or :manaw:.

do you think sphinx of the magosi could work as a viable win condition, on top of the unblockable jace proof manlands? Do you think sphinx of jwar isle would be better? Or should I just go with wurmcoil engine?

Standard Extraction behaves a lot different from Legacy Extraction. The standard version has to be a lot more reactive, whereas the Legacy versions are often PROactive. So, the best way to improve your standard Extraction is to make it as proactive as you can without making it reckless. BSZ is a solid choice, and Praetor's Grasp is indeed freakin' good. Torpor Orb can be very useful, especially if you can drop it early against CAW. Psychic Surgery is better than I expected TBH...I use it in both Legacy and Standard. It enhances the strength of every extract card and punishes CAW with all of its deck-searching mechanics. I saw some builds use Cosi's Trickster and it actually can work pretty nicely.

I dont know where my place is giving advice to others, since i am asking for help constructing my own decks, but i believe sphinx of the magosi could work as a viable win condition, as you said if it were on top of the unblockable jace proof manlands? Personally, i would avoid the wurmcoil and Jwar but whatever your'e more comfrotable will be better for your deck becasue decks play better when you like them. Hope i answered your question.

Actually in my opinion, I think the sphinx is too slow. It could work I guess, but I would go with the Consectated Sphinx over it any day. Also, Wurmcoil is a great finisher. the Jwar Isle, is ok, if you only run like 2 of them. The other duals are way better.

well, as far as jwar isle goes, I meant sphinx of jwar isle, not the dual land. I put wurmcoil in there, after a long look I think I like him better than sphinx of magosi. My deck still doesn't have any likes though. Kind of huts my feelings lol.

Does anyone else wish they would reprint damnation?

I definitely agree that there should be a bit more aggro for a more solid win con. wurmcoils are pretty solid as would be obliterators or grave titans

I've found that Sheoldred is a great finisher as well.