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Challenge: Project Casual PrC

Hello Everyone! This is Project Casual going to be started! Here's the idea:

Project casual is a group of magic players, that play Magic using Lackey CCG. You start with a base of a preconstructed deck, and 3 generated booster packs that I am going to give you as a link. You should track your collection using mws creating a new library, or deck to track it. Then what happens? You may participate in tournaments, that I am going to give information to you with e-mail. In the tournaments you are going to be awarded with "Tokens" depending on your performance. The winner of each match in the Tournament posts here the result. The matches are best out of 3 system with sideboard.

Tournaments:
In tournaments there are 3 Rounds! The matches are best out of 3 system with sideboard. I'm going to give you the information about the players that are going to play against each other in each round with e-mail. Tournaments are usually at Mondays and Saturdays. On monday the tournament starts at 17:00 GMT +1 and on Saturdays at 14:00 GMT +1, usually.

Tokens:
Win = 3 tokens
Lose = 1 token
And what you do with these tokens? You can change your tokens to boosters on sundays. 15 tokens for one booster. I generate the boosters on sunday with that linking system also. You can buy any boosters from 4th edition to Worldwake.

Please, give me your e-mail address, when you sign in, so I could give information about the tournaments to you.

Ask questions, if you have some!

My e-mail: [email protected]

Players that are /in:
Finespoo (tokens: 7)
Swordeh
Whitey_Mcfly (tokens: 5)
Big_Black_Mamba (tokens: 9) (QUIT)
Smil3 (tokens: 3)
Big_Grim_Sky (Need your E-mail)
Mickey198

Card pools:
- Finespoo: http://essentialmagic.com/Decks/View.asp?ID=776557
- Whitey_Mcfly: http://essentialmagic.com//Decks/View.asp?ID=776519
- Smil3: http://essentialmagic.com//Decks/View.asp?ID=776510
- Big_Grim_Sky: http://essentialmagic.com//Decks/View.asp?ID=776492
- Mickey198: http://essentialmagic.com//Decks/View.asp?ID=776503

Posted 13 March 2010 at 14:54

90 replies

Actually seems pretty fun, I'll give it a shot, count me in!

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Posted 13 March 2010 at 15:10

[QUOTE=swordeh]Actually seems pretty fun, I'll give it a shot, count me in![/QUOTE]

Please, tell me your pre-constructed deck or intro pack you will take and the boosters you want.

I will take Naya Behemoths from Shards of Alara. I get one extra Shards of Alara booster from there and I also take 1 booster of Worldwake, 1 M10 and 1 Alara Reborn. I will generate the boosters soon.

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Posted 13 March 2010 at 15:34

I'm in if I ever get around to paying for the workstation

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Posted 13 March 2010 at 17:55

[QUOTE=whitey_mcfly]I'm in if I ever get around to paying for the workstation[/QUOTE]

Okey! Please, give me information about your pre-constructed deck and boosters you want. There might also be a possibility to use Lackey CCG, if everyone likes that idea. Post me, if it's okey for you

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Posted 13 March 2010 at 18:17

do the preconstructed decks have to be theme decks, like say, the kor starter set? or can we build our own?

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Posted 13 March 2010 at 18:41

preconstructer Betrayers of kamigawa, Rats nest for me, again :rolleyes:
1 booster from M10, 1 from 10th and 1 from 9th edition :D:D
This time i want to get better trade with you finespoo :p

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Posted 13 March 2010 at 18:59

[QUOTE=whitey_mcfly]do the preconstructed decks have to be theme decks, like say, the kor starter set? or can we build our own?[/QUOTE]

you need to pick one deck from MWS folder on youre computer and search decks-> preconstructed decks. There you will find all preconstructed in all editions.

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Posted 13 March 2010 at 19:01

[QUOTE=whitey_mcfly]do the preconstructed decks have to be theme decks, like say, the kor starter set? or can we build our own?[/QUOTE]

Yes! Doesn't Pre-constructed mean like Theme deck?

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Posted 13 March 2010 at 19:55

when can we expect boosters?

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Posted 14 March 2010 at 15:42

I'm in!

Deck is Chandra from Jace vs Chandra

3 boosters from:
1 M10th edition
1 10th edition
1 9th edition

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Posted 14 March 2010 at 18:56

Starting Boosters:

- Big_Black_Mamba: http://ccgdecks.com/deck_view.php?id=345578
- Finespoo: http://ccgdecks.com/deck_view.php?id=345581

We are not having a tournament on Monday, because we don't have enough players, that have chosen their decks and boosters. We wait for total of 4 players. I hope, that you guys tell me a.s.a.p. your pre-constructed deck choice. Thank you!

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Posted 14 March 2010 at 19:40

U forgot about me??

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Posted 14 March 2010 at 19:49

i have a question,what does this mean??
It is written that u have changed something,what does it mean??

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[-]Deck History (Original Version)
Revision # Changed On Changed By Added Removed Comments
1 Mar 14 2010 12:14 pm Finespoo

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Posted 14 March 2010 at 20:20

[QUOTE=Smil3]i have a question,what does this mean??
It is written that u have changed something,what does it mean??

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[-]Deck History (Original Version)
Revision # Changed On Changed By Added Removed Comments
1 Mar 14 2010 12:14 pm Finespoo[/QUOTE]

I changed the name of the Sealed deck, because I have at least of 200 sealed/draft decks in ccgdecks.com. Its way easier to find it as it starts with AA. I'm generating your boosters as quickly as possible.

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Posted 14 March 2010 at 20:33

[QUOTE=Smil3]I'm in!

Deck is Chandra from Jace vs Chandra

3 boosters from:
1 M10th edition
1 10th edition
1 9th edition[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry those decks are not for this format. They are way too great and aren't actually themedecks. So, please, choose another one.

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Posted 14 March 2010 at 20:35

oho,didn't know that.... just asking....

Then Planar Chaos --- Endles March

Boosters from:
1 Planar chaos
1 Time spiral
1 m10th edition

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Posted 14 March 2010 at 20:39

[QUOTE=Smil3]oho,didn't know that.... just asking....

Then Planar Chaos --- Endles March

Boosters from:
1 Planar chaos
1 Time spiral
1 m10th edition[/QUOTE]

Smil3 changed his deck.

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Posted 14 March 2010 at 20:56

hi i want duress, kitesail, mire's toll' rise from the grave and urge to feed

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Posted 14 March 2010 at 21:47

I'll have the Naya starter from Alara Reborn, along with zendikar, worldwake, and M10 packs

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Posted 14 March 2010 at 23:01

Whitey did you mean Rumbler, when you said Alara Reborn Naya intro pack?

Starter boosters:
- Whitey_Mcfly: http://ccgdecks.com/deck_view.php?id=345738

Wow, man. You got awesome packs.
I would like to trade with you (but what I'm thinking is that you propably aren't going to trade any cards I want from you, but lets see.).

My wants: Baneslayer Angel, Borderland Ranger, Leonin Armorguard, Naya Hushblade, Plated Geopede, Retaliator Griffin, Valley Rannet, Colossal Might, Mark of Munity and Punishing Fire.
Check out my Precon list and boosters!

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 06:55

And...

Since we have 4 players we could have a tournament today! Everyone against everyone once. We meet in the MWS at the time that's told in the first post.
1st round: Me vs. Whitey_Mcfly and Big_black_mamba vs. Smil3.
2nd round: Me vs. Big_black_mamba and Whitey_Mcfly vs. Smil3
3rd: round: Me vs. Smil3 and Whitey_mcfly vs. Big_black_mamba

If someone doesn't come for games, no tokens are given. So please, come so we can start playing!

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 07:00

Finespoo come on vent so we can trade,i hate typing,after we can post trade results on forum...
just mail me when u r online

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 08:41

[QUOTE=Big_Black_Mamba]hi i want duress, kitesail, mire's toll' rise from the grave and urge to feed[/QUOTE]

Sorry, Kitesail is going into my deck. Unless you want to trade it for Birds of Paraside. Give me offer for BoP please.

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 09:26

sry finespoo but BoP for duress, mires toll, rise from the grave and urge to feed is not so good trade, and i really dont need any other card. It will wait until you get something in booster that you would give for something valuable...

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 10:49

whitey im interested in duress, mires toll, dead reckoning and soulstar expedition. Cya today all!

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 10:52

Me and Big_Black_mamba traded:
From Me to him: Rise from the Grave, Duress, Mire's Toll
From Big_Black_mamba to me: Mold Adder, Divine Verdict, Terramorphic Expance

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 15:20

First tourny is over now!
Whitey_Mcfly didn't appear so he got two loses from me and Big_black_mamba, but wins Smil3, because he changes a deck.
Round one: Smil3 vs. Mamba (0-2)
Round two: Mamba vs. Me (2-0)
Round three: Me vs. Smil3 (2-0)

So tokens:
- Finespoo: 7
- Mamba: 9
- Smil3: 3
- Whitey: 5

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 17:07

Deck: Mirodin Bait and bludgeon

3 boosters from:
2 Fifth dawn
1 Mirodin

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 17:43

[QUOTE=Smil3]Deck: Mirodin Bait and bludgeon

3 boosters from:
2 Fifth dawn
1 Mirodin[/QUOTE]

Starting boosters:
- Smil3: http://ccgdecks.com/deck_view.php?id=345863
You just get, what you wanted! :)
Want Tel-Jijad Chosen!!!

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 17:58

ooo yeah! :DDD

i want a few cards from u 2 :D come on vent when u want to trade

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 18:20

once again I don't have the program yet so I can't join you in your tournaments quite yet. I'll post when I can but for now, sorry!

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 18:39

i want preconstructed sliver evolution from edition time spiral.
i want 3 boosters from time spiral
Thanks

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 19:44

Starting boosters:
- Big_Grim_Sky: http://ccgdecks.com/deck_view.php?id=345902

I would like to trade something.

My wants: Mogg War Marshal, Ancient Grudge, Fortify, Griffin Guide, Spirit Loop, Strength in Numbers (2), Sudden Shock and Terramorphic Expanse

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 21:31

[QUOTE=Finespoo]Whitey did you mean Rumbler, when you said Alara Reborn Naya intro pack?

Starter boosters:
- Whitey_Mcfly: http://ccgdecks.com/deck_view.php?id=345738

Wow, man. You got awesome packs.
I would like to trade with you (but what I'm thinking is that you propably aren't going to trade any cards I want from you, but lets see.).

My wants: Baneslayer Angel, Borderland Ranger, Leonin Armorguard, Naya Hushblade, Plated Geopede, Retaliator Griffin, Valley Rannet, Colossal Might, Mark of Munity and Punishing Fire.
Check out my Precon list and boosters![/QUOTE]

I'll trade armorguard for gustrider, punishing fire for feral contest, plated geopede for where ancients tread, colossal might for trace of abundance,

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 21:57

All trades accepted Whitey!

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Posted 15 March 2010 at 22:15

OK 2 things.

1. Are we running 40 cards or 60 cards for these decks. Because after looking over the cards I got, I have barely enough for a 15 card sideboard with 60 cards.

2. I may not be around on Mondays because of my schedule, but Saturdays are almost definite for me. you can contact me at [email protected] just in case I don't see the posts here about the next tournament.

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 00:32

whitey i can help you with 1. problem, im interested in duress, mires toll, dead reckoning and soulstar expedition. Myb you can find something at my boosters.

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 07:42

[QUOTE=Big_Black_Mamba]whitey i can help you with 1. problem, im interested in duress, mires toll, dead reckoning and soulstar expedition. Myb you can find something at my boosters.[/QUOTE]

hey you using that elvish piper? also wurm's tooth, and maybe shivan dragon could be of use to me.

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 12:23

I just downloaded the program.. Like to try it out... :P

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 13:08

ok elvish piper and wurms tooth for youre cards, shivan will have to wait :)

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 13:09

[QUOTE=mickey198]I just downloaded the program.. Like to try it out... :P[/QUOTE]

Next thing u must do is to choose a deck from mws preconstructed deck list's,choose edition for the 3 boosters that you want and u r good to go!

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 13:24

I'd like the Mirrodin Sacrificial Bam deck,
Boosters: Shards, Darksteel, Tempest plz :P

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 13:27

[QUOTE=whitey_mcfly]OK 2 things.

1. Are we running 40 cards or 60 cards for these decks. Because after looking over the cards I got, I have barely enough for a 15 card sideboard with 60 cards.

2. I may not be around on Mondays because of my schedule, but Saturdays are almost definite for me. you can contact me at [email protected] just in case I don't see the posts here about the next tournament.[/QUOTE]

Decks have 60 cards! If you don't have enough cards try to trade. For the next tournament, I try to post the information by e-mail.

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 13:58

[QUOTE=Big_Black_Mamba]ok elvish piper and wurms tooth for youre cards, shivan will have to wait :)[/QUOTE]

Did you trade something?

!IMPORTANT!
Please, post clearly here everypost you do!

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 14:00

[QUOTE=mickey198]I'd like the Mirrodin Sacrificial Bam deck,
Boosters: Shards, Darksteel, Tempest plz :P[/QUOTE]

Starting boosters:
- Mickey198: http://ccgdecks.com/deck_view.php?id=346069

Want to trade with you!

My wants: Battlegrace Angel, Knight of the Skyward Eye, Wild Nacatl, Disenchant, Echoing Ruin, Magma Spray and Whispersilk Cloak

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 14:12

Knight, Disenchant and Nacatl arae tradeable. Srry but dont want you to have Battlegrace, it's too good :P

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 14:23

Yo BGS, Do you trade the Sudden Shock, Bogardan Hellkite, Ancient Grudge?

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 14:30

[QUOTE=Finespoo]Starting boosters:
- Mickey198: http://ccgdecks.com/deck_view.php?id=346069

Want to trade with you!

My wants: Battlegrace Angel, Knight of the Skyward Eye, Wild Nacatl, Disenchant, Echoing Ruin, Magma Spray and Whispersilk Cloak[/QUOTE]

care to spare me a dragon fodder, mickey? also, I can has Wild Nacatl? :)
tell me what you want out of my list

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 14:41

My trades so far:

Finespoo: leonin armorguard for gustrider exuberant
punishing fire for feral contest
plated geopede for where ancients tread
colossal might for trace of abundance

Big_Black_Mamba: duress+mire blight for elvish piper
soul stair expedition+dead reckoning for wurm's tooth

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 14:45

mickey i want that whisperslik cloack :)

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 15:14

got list for everyone, what i want to get:P

gray is not possible apparently
---Smil3---
Cranial Plating
Consume Spirit
Wayfarer's Bauble

---Big Black Mamba---
Consume Spirit

---Finespoo---
Walking Atlas
Lightning Bolt
Earthquake
Thunder-Thrash Elder

---Big Grim Sky---
Sudden Shock
Bogardan Hellkite
Ancient Grudge
Ground Rift

---Whitey McFly---
Claws of Valakut

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 15:15

srry whispersilk is in my deck :P, Whitey I can spare Dragon Fodder, trade for Claws?

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 15:16

[QUOTE=mickey198]srry whispersilk is in my deck :P, Whitey I can spare Dragon Fodder, trade for Claws?[/QUOTE]

sorry I'm main decking the claws. hows about an archive trap? should you accept, I also want that soul's might for the same card. Archive trap is pretty dangerous, don't ya know?

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 16:01

You do know that's outside my colors right? I'm sorry but archive trap isn't good in my deck

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 16:17

Why does everyone think i wouldn't play whispersilk btw?

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 16:19

well then I don't have anything for you. since you are running B/R, I'll offer up looming shade, cosi's ravager for the two cards I specified earlier: dragon fodder and soul's might. I can also offer slavering nulls

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 16:44

you play whispersilk, i play consume spirit- i'm monoblack so why do you think i wouldn't play consume? :) anyway, i want whispersilk for consume spirit so thats how badly i want it :) Also, smil3 traded me hes consume spirit.

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 16:48

[QUOTE=mickey198]got list for everyone, what i want to get:P

---Smil3---
Cranial Plating
Consume Spirit
Wayfarer's Bauble

---Big Black Mamba---
Consume Spirit

---Finespoo---
Walking Atlas
Lightning Bolt
Earthquake
Thunder-Thrash Elder

---Big Grim Sky---
Sudden Shock
Bogardan Hellkite
Ancient Grudge
Ground Rift

---Whitey McFly---
Claws of Valakut[/QUOTE]

Walking Atlas for Wild Nacatl ok?

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 17:16

holy crap, i had dinner and i got 3 offers...
@Finespoo
Atlas for Nacatl is okay with me... What do you want for Lightning Bolt?
@Whitey
Is Looming Shade for Dragon Fodder okay with you?
@BB Mamba, srry but no deal

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 17:39

[QUOTE=mickey198]holy crap, i had dinner and i got 3 offers...
@Finespoo
Atlas for Nacatl is okay with me... What do you want for Lightning Bolt?
@Whitey
Is Looming Shade for Dragon Fodder okay with you?
@BB Mamba, srry but no deal[/QUOTE]

Lightning Bolt is in my main deck. Won't give it away...
Trade:
Me: Walking Atlas
Mickey198: Wild Nacatl

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 17:51

yeah about that... how is this gonna work, i don t really get the program... made my list in a txt doc up till now

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 17:56

[QUOTE=mickey198]holy crap, i had dinner and i got 3 offers...
@Finespoo
Atlas for Nacatl is okay with me... What do you want for Lightning Bolt?
@Whitey
Is Looming Shade for Dragon Fodder okay with you?
@BB Mamba, srry but no deal[/QUOTE]

deal. dragon fodder for looming shade it is.

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 17:59

my recent trade:

mickey198: Looming Shade for Dragon Fodder

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 18:00

whoa..... how did I just get Senior Member?

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 18:04

100 posts?
Could someone please comment my decks while you're at it xP

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 18:04

[QUOTE=mickey198]100 posts?
Could someone please comment my decks while you're at it xP[/QUOTE]

I skipped Junior Member, though. huh.

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 18:07

Stop spamming! Thank You!

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 19:12

[QUOTE=whitey_mcfly]My trades so far:

Finespoo: leonin armorguard for gustrider exuberant
punishing fire for feral contest
plated geopede for where ancients tread
colossal might for trace of abundance

Big_Black_Mamba: duress+mire's toll for elvish piper
soul stair expedition+dead reckoning for wurm's tooth[/QUOTE]

(Hey whitey! You didn't have a Mire's Toll! What has happened there???)

Subject clear!

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 19:31

I guess the guys who asked me for cards meant mire blight

I'll edit that right away

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 20:05

[QUOTE=Finespoo]Stop spamming! Thank You![/QUOTE]

sorry. just confusion on my part

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Posted 16 March 2010 at 20:39

this isnt working, somebody should clean all posts that are of no use.... Too much spam.. Btw old PRC is activated, so i think ill play there

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Posted 17 March 2010 at 12:22

Everyone's card pool is avaible for others to view on my first post! Check there, if you are unsure, that the player really has that card. And for trades of course! Next tournament on this Saturday -> would like to have everyone's e-mail address to give you the information about it.

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Posted 17 March 2010 at 16:18

[QUOTE=Finespoo]Everyone's card pool is avaible for others to view on my first post! Check there, if you are unsure, that the player really has that card. And for trades of course! Next tournament on this Saturday -> would like to have everyone's e-mail address to give you the information about it.[/QUOTE]

I tried looking at mine and I got a "permission denied" message. can you send us to links that show the deck, not edit it?

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Posted 17 March 2010 at 17:19

Test again, please! Tell me, if it doesn't work.

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Posted 18 March 2010 at 13:34

I can get on now, thanks!

but I notice that not everybody's lists are on there.

also, I wont be here for the saturday tournament. I have a competition to go to. sorry!

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Posted 18 March 2010 at 13:43

Hey, Smil3. I'll trade you something for the Vedalken Orrery. check out my deck list and get back to me.

Also, Big_Grim_Sky, do you want to trade for green seeker?

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Posted 18 March 2010 at 14:49

as i already stated before, i dont have a clue how the program works, so with a little help i can get my decklist out of a txt document

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Posted 18 March 2010 at 17:00

[QUOTE=mickey198]as i already stated before, i dont have a clue how the program works, so with a little help i can get my decklist out of a txt document[/QUOTE]

Please, sent me your e-mail so I can help! Or google MWS, you find help and the download link from there. I wish, that everyone would load lackey on their computer. If someone doesn't want to post right now.

Tournament coming on Saturday at the time
told on the first post!
Round 1: Finespoo vs. Bye
Big_Grim_Sky vs. Smil3
Round 2: Bye vs. Smil3
Finespoo vs. Big_Grim_Sky
Round 3: Finespoo vs. Smil3
Big_Grim_Sky vs. Bye

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Posted 18 March 2010 at 20:31

I already posted that I wont be here for this tournament. I have a robotics competition to participate in.

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Posted 18 March 2010 at 20:38

My e-mail is [email protected], and I'm sorry but I can't participate either tomorrow... :S srry

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Posted 19 March 2010 at 13:13

Nobody came to tournament today, so no tokens.

Next tournament will be on Monday at the time told in first post! This time we play on Lackey CCG (Think it's better way to play and many of you have it). See you then!

I'll send a e-mail for those players that have given their e-mails to me.
Post, if you can't come.

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Posted 20 March 2010 at 13:49

what's Lackey CCG?

and how long do these generally take? because at the time specified, I have a good 2.5 hours. that's about it.

also, I just ordered the workstation and got the activation code, but I haven't gotten a chance to download it.

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Posted 20 March 2010 at 22:49

[QUOTE=whitey_mcfly]what's Lackey CCG?

and how long do these generally take? because at the time specified, I have a good 2.5 hours. that's about it.

also, I just ordered the workstation and got the activation code, but I haven't gotten a chance to download it.[/QUOTE]

Google Lackey CCG and download it if able.

2.5 hours is enough for these tournaments.

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Posted 21 March 2010 at 08:57

[QUOTE=Finespoo]Google Lackey CCG and download it if able.

2.5 hours is enough for these tournaments.[/QUOTE]

so... magic workstation is out of the question now?

either way I don't have either program (they never emailed me the link to download workstation) so I can't show tomorrow

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Posted 21 March 2010 at 17:03

Seriously, I will stop this if we continue like this. I finally understand how MWS works, I've downloaded all images(700mb) we're going to use another program. Some of us don't have much room left on their HD's. MWS works, so why the sudden change of program?

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Posted 23 March 2010 at 10:05

[QUOTE=mickey198]Seriously, I will stop this if we continue like this. I finally understand how MWS works, I've downloaded all images(700mb) we're going to use another program. Some of us don't have much room left on their HD's. MWS works, so why the sudden change of program?[/QUOTE]

I assume that CCG is simpler in general

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Posted 23 March 2010 at 12:07

[QUOTE=mickey198]Seriously, I will stop this if we continue like this. I finally understand how MWS works, I've downloaded all images(700mb) we're going to use another program. Some of us don't have much room left on their HD's. MWS works, so why the sudden change of program?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I know and I'm sorry. Still we have to change to use Lackey CCG, because we don't get enough players from MWS and most of the people use Lackey CCG. You may quit, if you want. Sorry about all this mess.

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Posted 23 March 2010 at 17:24

I got the program, but I'm behind a firewall, and the option to turn on the proxy server is turned off, so I can't turn it on that I know of. Basically I can't get through. Any suggestion? anyone?

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Posted 24 March 2010 at 03:23

Ok, I'm on board. I'd like the Morningtide theme deck with reveillark (forget the name) and the extra packs should be 3 lorwyn.

thks.

Institute
[email protected]

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Posted 22 June 2010 at 15:36

Sorry, this is the old PrC. Check out for the new one here: http://forums.mtgvault.com/showthread.php?t=1769

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Posted 22 June 2010 at 15:41