Kiki traverse

Thanks! Trying to build something similar to the old temur twin lists

Have you considered splashing white for restoration angel?

Well I built Kiki chord at one point, I don't want this to be too close to that

That's where I'm aiming!! I feel like traverse has a modern home somewhere and this is the best I came up with

Also with no way to get kiki from the gy(and only 1 copy) you may want 2-3 eternal witness.(they can also get traverse back)
doesn't seem bad.

this is the main reason chord decks run witness.

Oh I like that idea thank you! It's being teched now, I like it as a tempo deck quite a bit

Np, traverse is a sweet card and im hoping people break it.
Decks sweet +1 from me

Hmm I have seen this deck nowhere, I saw Sam black play a version without a combo, but this is mine, so stfu

If you are referring to old temur Kiki-twin lists, that's a given and I said it, but your post is pointless

What combo? Also, my apologies if it seems like I'm attacking you. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you might took a deck's concept as your own which is plagiarism.

I said that above though, I'm jamming traverse into the old splinter twin deck. Kiki plus bounding krasis is infinite 3/3s with haste. Every deck in magic is slightly copied from something else, but this version I claim as my own. I haven't seen anyone else with this combination of cards. I did take ideas from Sam black, Kiki-chord, and old twin lists. I'm not saying it's a new idea, but my list is new

If that's the case then I can claim that the first melira junk deck using CoCo is a ripoff off my original deck that uses it, to include the pro deck that debuted at the grand prix. I made said deck right after pod got banned, much like how decks like this capitalize on not being able to use twin. Multiple people have likely come up with similar lists to this, so you really can't claim plagiarism here.

Well my decks are completely original(as far as I know). Saying that, I see where our going with this. I'm sorry.

I've recently used zealous conscripts against kiki, but if you want to aim at a pure red version, zealous may be your pick.

It has the advantage that when it comes into play you may kidnap their spellskite with it, then copy zealous with kiki (Remember that zealous untaps kiki while taking control of it) then you go infinite :D

I've recently used zealous conscripts against kiki, but if you want to aim at a pure red version (Faithless looting, red rituals), zealous may be your pick.

It has the advantage that when it comes into play you may kidnap their spellskite with it, then copy zealous with kiki (Remember that zealous untaps kiki while taking control of it) then you go infinite :D

Thinker, the difference is this deck is enough of an original idea as it needs to be.
And compared to your posted decks could actually contend in modern.

Im not hating your creative mind, but to attack someone for making a legitimate deck just because you saw somethong similar somewhere is kinda stupid...

Its one thing to post the list which may help them with ideas, its another to just flame.

It's all good thinker I think I understand what you meant, I did add references of a sort in my description of that helps. If you do have any ideas I'll take them, that goes for all of you. I'm 7 cards short so this won't be don't till Friday sadly, which means I'm inly platt eating against burn, Jund and tron

Tool box decks or value are normally fairly good vs jund.
Tron doesn't seem like its the worst... may want 1-2 ghost quarters in place of checklands?
You could tutor for it post delirium.
Burn may be rough if you have to aggressively fetch.
Doesn't seem a whole ton better post board vs burn, but you cant be good vs everything.

Naya burn has been crushing me. Tron seems slightly in my favor. Same with Jund, but it is very reliant on our draws

If burn is an issue, you could always go with Leyline of Sanctity. You could trade out Ancient Grudge and/or Engineered Explosives, and then if you had to SB them in you could swap out Mana Leak for if you put 2 SB or Seal of FIre if you only put in 1.

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Leyline isn't as good as you think.
They have x destructive revelrys coming in post board for burn hate.
Most of the time you're better off bringing in blood moon (hit all of their good cards.)
Burn can't beat moon + chalice on 1.

Baloth can be kinda slow vs burn also....

Dragon's claw is really all i can think of in your colours.

I guess dispel is always decent.
And spell snare.

Thanks I'll have to look into those. The counterspell that hits red or green spells only seems like an option

Viagrasaurusrex, I did not mean to attack zaklax in anyway. What I originally thought was that Zaklax copied Sam Black's deck and said it was his own. I then learned that Zaklax said the deck was his own because of the deck brings back the twin combo. Once again, I had no intention of attacking Zaklax. I meant everything in the kindest way possible. Anyways, it's all over now.

Remand can be a "timewalk" in tempo decks buying you enough time to get your win condition online.
It can also be used to save your own spells from counters.

Lets say you cast krasis EoT and have kiki in play.
Say they go to leak or remand your krasis, instead of remanding their counterspell.
Remand your own spell.
It will return it to your hand and draw you a card.

The plus:
Replaces itself
Counters everything
Great tempo card.

Negative, can be meh lategame vs low cmc decks, which at worst its a bad cantrip, still better than mana leak late game as it does replace itself.

Dispel is fine and all, but its pretty dead vs decks like tron, dredge and other creature based decks.
Remand is good vs everything, or fine at worst.

Also if you remand a flashback spell. (When cast with flashback) you draw the card, flashback card still gets exiled not returned to hand.

So anything snapcastered back or like a flashbacked past in flames etc.

Thank you for your help so much! I understand it more now. The "timewalk" thing is that you get your stuff back? I am a bit confused on your terminology.

The timewalk thing is because remand replaces itself and the spell cast took their whole turn.

So like turn 2 counting a 2 cmc card they cant do anything else and you end with the same amount of cards in hand.
Its basically a free turn.

Which is what tempo decks need.

Again, Thank you! You are very helpful.

No problem.
I can be blunt sometimes but i try to mean well lol.

Blunt-ness is what I need for help.

Also in a combo deck I'd rather draw the card, I am looking for pieces

Yep, tempo and combo always want cards that generate immediate value.
Remand is just super versatile.

Honestly i support remand over leak in every deck.

However, its a very slow card with a strict mana cost. 6c is harder to get then 2rrr in this deck. The main point of this deck is to get out the krasis with kiki-jiki for infinite krasii. (Krasii? Krasies? Krasis?). Deceiver of Form does not trigger the etb effect, however if you mean kiki-jiki would be copied, theres no point to it as its more expensive.

I was talking about Deceiver Exarch which is what should be in place of bounding krasis in some number.

AHHHHHHhhhhhh......
(In that case, *Deceiver Exarch for Deceiver of Form in my previous comment)

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I guess since the Exarch is not as mana-intensive (no g), I guess it would work, so I would replace them completely. If OP wants the krasis for the 3/3 then I would have 2x of each and another 2x of the exarch in the sideboard for replacement in case of bolt.

However, the Krasis' ability is better due to the wider amount of targets it can target as well as an more efficient total ability because hes a 3/3 not 1/4 as well as better ability.

Deck seems to want the bigger front rather than the bugger butt.
This deck doesn't need the combo to win, and i bet more times than not he will win without it

I went with krasis over deceiver just for the beat downs

Or that too...

Deceiver has a WAY better ability. The ability to hit lands is very important. Just imho there should be a 2/2 split between them.

I feel it would be better as a 1 of in the sideboard.
That way they couldn't exterpate your only real combo piece.

And this way you could bring it in vs like tron or 3 colour decks where tapping certain mana sources actually can hurt them.

The two things I really want to jam in are two deceiver and two eternal witness. I want to keep the krasis at 3 though. The hunmaster may go, he's a relic from my old temur twin list

Sb edited. I want to keep the krasis at minimum 3. The deck can win without combo. Hunmaster may get cut. He is a relic from my old twin list

Do you have all of the cards?

I'm missing 2 traverse,1 have, 1 fire lit thicket, but the shop I'm working at has them on the way

I think you meant jace lol. Autocorrect welwill end us all one day

i did sorry, and thanks for the correction

thank you!

jace was there to help with delirium and find combo pieces, and he can flash back spells later, but I think ypou are right there may just be better answers
the huntmaster is gonna get yanked, I think a deceiver or another kiki would just be better

It's easier to pull of delirium if you have more card types to choose from. You have no artifacts, so baubles would be a good include as an extra card type to use. Creatures will inevitably end up in the yard, such as using a snapcaster on a traverse, then chump blocking with it to get it in the yard, then you have two types in there already with a spent traverse and a creature, so yeah that would probably be better in many ways.

Please supply feedback on a deck before advertising your own

They would be more likely to help as well if you do.

I pressed "like" btw

That means nothing to a front page deck. Feedback! make the deck better!

Like anyone even noticed that there was an additional "like" on the deck anyways. Seriously, no feedback here = no feedback there. That's how we roll

Thank you for the feedback! I just don't have enough room for all the cards I want. I'll gladly comment on any deck since you gave advice on here, some people forget that part

Yeah its rude to advertise deck, if not going to at least make a constructive comment, suggestion, advice, like, +1 the deck if you like it, use deck as an example, and on hotpage decks, that have nothing to do with, not similar to the hotpage deck, like advertising a Vampire deck, on a hotpage blue, white control deck, without saying anything else.

That's why I posted my deck on yours. By the way changed the name to: To Nfinity & Beyond Awe Token (Yeah I had yo throw in the cheesy To infinity and Beyond Animated Cartoonist kids toy character quote in there as the deck name, because it was cheesy, funny, made sense, fit the deck, to me at least, lol ).

You could cut 1 Snapcaster mage, add 1 Kiki, then cut 2 Tarmogyf, replace with 2 conscripts. Then cut 1 traverse, 1 Serum Vision, replace with 2 Progenitor Mimic, cut 1 Electrolyze, 1 seal of fire, as they probably won't come in consistently enough anyway, as only 2 different 1 of's, Replace with 2 Restoration Angels, cut 1 lightning, add 1 more deck slot to goto 61 cards, 23 land 37.7 mana ratio, add 2 Chord of Calling.

Your deck would still work great, have enough control, direct damage, removal, counterspell, graveyard usage, etc, to work awesomely. Your deck is a Blue Red Green, maybe splash white for Restoration Angel, deck, with Blue as primary color, red secondary color, green 3rd color, and maybe splash white for Angel. Such a deck only needs 2 ofs, 3 of's, and can goto 61 cards, 23 lands, also because of the 2 Chord will help stuff get out.

Trust me, if you make those changes, change land, mana base to add in Restoration Angel, you will probably have 1 of the best, if not the best Kiki, traverse type decks out there. Playtesting will probably show that. Throw in 2,3 Mirrorpool, and your deck is set to make LOTS OF COPIES, ways to make infinite tokens, you can copy Snappy, Conscripts, Mimic, Jace, (tho copy won't transform), Goyf, Restoration Angel (ahhh the sick breakage of your deck, if you made those changes )

Sorry I haven't updated this list recently. I've been using mishras bauble in my list. Updates to come! It will be at fnm's shortly