@mikelut Primeval Titan is in only to grab tectonic edges and manlands for the really slow games. Sun Titan for the same reason, with all the early game, and garruk you can easily get them out, and Prime saved my ass against grixis twin tonight being able to tec edge his lands out from under him. A deck like that can't come back from 4 Tec edges. @Manax I'm sorry but no, that card would not fit, It's too underwhelming and imho just too slow to get rolling. Running 4 stoneforges means I pretty much run 5 of each epuipment, and it severly increases my odds of hitting the equipment I need when I need it.
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editted list is up, no longer bant but GW
yeah, i know what you mean, but the list is hard to manage, there was at one time explore, but the ramp didn't help much, I want to add Garruk, and would probably run him instead of jace because at the moment i don't have jace, i borrowed them from a friend and played this list. I've been trying to play a less controlling more aggro version but can't quite get the list right. My problem has been not wanting to drop blue, if i did it would look like -4 Preordain, +4 explore -4 Mana Leak, +2 Thrun, +1 Crusader, +1 Sun Titan - 3 Jace + 3 Garruk Wildspeaker -4 Birds of Paradise, + 1 Sun Titan, +2 Primeval Titan and of course tec edge may edit the list, because i have the cards for it easy, more input would be welcome for this