Amore e morte

Firstly, nice to see you haven't given up :D
I'd like to suggest something for this deck, but unfortunately I'm not too familiar with cards pre-8th Ed :|
I must say, after reading Blood Artist, I mite just add it to my Kokusho nuke deck I'm working on that uses Living End / Living Death (I forget which one) to put all 4 Kokusho into play from my grave, the "sacrifice part will cause Blood Artist to make the opponent(s) lose a lot more life :p

I've tried to keep posting things, it's just nothing really suited to how I build has come out other than Blood Artist and Demonic Taskmaster :| I will admit that they change things, and it makes a few of my decks soooo much better.
Vampires are a lethal tribe right now, this set gave them everything they needed to push them over the edge for tribe formats.

It's cool you can't suggest anything man, I only know stuff before eighth edition because somewhere along the way I decided I wanted to be able to break anything. It's been painful to try and break some challenges, but some come a lot easier than others(one of my friends said "I bet you can't make a decent Pox deck").

And I could have sworn you posted your Kokusho nuke a while back, or are you just tweaking it? If so, overkill is underrated.

I've posted quite a few versions of Kokusho Nuke. Hell, it's one of the ways I win with my Dragonstorm deck :p The one I'm working on now is a modification of the Spirit tribal deck I made that had Kokusho Nuke as a win condition.

I really tried to find something to suggest for this deck, but the only thing I can think of is to replace the Shrivel in the sideboard with Cower in Fear. it costs one B more, but it's an instant and only affect the opponent's creatures.

That's rather intriguing. I'll definitely have to check that out if you post it here on the vault!

Cower in Fear isn't a bad idea, it's just the mana cost that concerns me. I've got more in the three cmc than I really should already :/

Mana is a concern, but I think I found a card that is (possibly) even better than Cower in Fear - Marsh Casualties. It costs BB, but only targets 1 player. On the up side, if you have 3 extra mana for some reason, you can kick it to give that player's creatures -2/-2 :p

DedWards, you have found exactly what I needed XD

Glad to be of help :)
I like the idea of this and mite be using elements of it in my deck next time I play Legacy.

Seriously dude, that card and putting in smokestacks like Sure suggested have made this thing go through the roof. I've killed a dedicated blood bomb deck because of Marsh Causalities letting me keep my field. Taskmaster is also a BIG help in that MU, I got to bully them all throughout game two XD

And you have no idea how much you made my day saying you might use elements of this next time you do Legacy, the more people playing douche-bag decks like this the better!

O.O
I only now see the possible and reusable "combo" with Crucible of Worlds, Smokestack, Bloodghast and Blood Artist. Sac ghasts (and maybe a land) to stack, opponent loses life thanks to artist, then play a land from the grave thanks to Crucible....

I would run the whole deck(just twisted to better suit my play style), but (unfortunately) I don't have / can't get a lot of the cards (especially the lands) :'(

I'm actually going to build a black splash white kill / discard / extract type deck with what I own when I get home tonight. I'll be sure to try add some of the ideas I see here :p

I built this off of the same Contamination frame I've been using for a long time, so there's tons of recursion for Blood Artist to abuse :D I'm debating switching the numbers for him and the Ghasts, which is about as much as I can say about it. He's just that level of awesome.

This deck is stupidly expensive, but the big hits are the Wastelands, Rishadan Ports, and Mox Diamonds. It can be done decently with Dark Rituals in place of the Mox, but I like them since it's a reusable resource. The mana denial however is integral to this deck functioning :/ Pox plays out evenly against everything, but the real source of threat from most Pox decks is mana denial(and because of that mana burden plays a significant role against stuff like Stoneblade).
I wish I could make this deck cheaper, but it's the same problem as Extraction; it's pretty much just a well designed "good stuffs" deck.

B/W disruption is a really powerful deck, especially if it's running AEther Vial. I usually play Dirt(WGB) if I'm going for a more control-aggro feel though. I'm looking forward to see what you make!

Well, my collection is very limited. I posted what I built out of what I have, you can take a look if you want (sadly I don't own any AEther Vial).

:D Checking it out now! Also, started back watching One Piece. I've got a long way to go >_>

Reactive threats are generally a bad idea in Pox believe it or not, like Dredge, we focus on just furthering this one plan to the point of no return. The difference being that Dredge poops zombie tokens, and Pox plays some of the heaviest mana denial in the game, and it's backed up with access to enough field control that more creature strategies fold than they should.

Thanks for commenting Sieg, I'm glad you like the deck, it's always a joy for me when I build MBC. I'll check out your deck in a bit :)

Working on Iso-Pox has to be my favourite achievement from being on this site, it gave me headaches trying to get it to work, but what has been done with it made it all worth it to me :)
Extraction really isn't my strong point nearly as much as it is with you, so having you put it into this "unholy trinity" makes me doubly proud.

Blood Artist with Bitterblossom is another of the things I stumbled upon in looking at the GP Atlanta stuff, and I just couldn't resist trying it in a Pox frame. It's been doing hilaaaariously well.

Smokestack is something I've been trying to fit into, I've had it in most of the previous incarnations of this Pox breed I've used, but I really don't want to go below three Tangle Wires. It takes the ideals of playing a Pox deck, and lets me use them in ways that are kind of broken.
It slows so many decks to a halt that dropping below three is a painful thought for me.

Yeah man, and what I love about the Unholy Trinity (liking that =P) is each one, while Extraction, wins in its own special way by bringing something else to the table. Iso-Seek brings crippling control and layers of defense while eating away at any and all win-cons. PAL beats the living hell out of someone, all the while taking away their means to defend themselves. And now Iso-Pox, which throws so much mana burden and mana denial at the opponent that they simply can't play their deck in any reasonable way. Now if only we could design one that doesn't cost so much D=

As for the Stax dilemma, a 1/3 split would be pointless without some way to tutor. A 2/3 split would work amazingly well, but you'd be running a 61 control. Arty loves 61C, it's almost a trademark, but I know a lot of people don't. The other thing to consider with adding Stax is sustainability...I think this frame could survive, but that's always something to double and then triple-check. Nothing as embarrassing as a MBC that kicks its own ass =/

I honestly don't think a decent Extraction deck that maintains full functionality can get a decent price right now, we run too many of the best cards. Hell, even this thing costs almost a grand, and this is just Contamination! :|

A 2/3 split would be PERFECT, but running 61C isn't something I'm willing to do actually. It's not much of a change to the numbers in the end, but I'm enough of a perfectionist that I'd have to go back through and do the math from scratch.
It WOULD be nice to have a reference sheet for making 61C, but the muddying of the odds is something I'm not too keen on.

I'm trying these changes, they SHOULD work, but only time and testing will tell.
-1 Tangle Wire
-2 Innocent Blood
-2 Rishadan Port

+2 Smokestack
+1 Dismember
+2 Mishra's Factory

There really is no way to make any one of the unholy trinity without forking over at least a grand. It kinda sucks because I get all these people messaging me telling me they want to get into Extraction and they ask if I can check out their deck. I just cringe at those now because I want more than anything for more people to get into extraction...but not only is it hard to play, the three best frames are expensive as hell.

There ARE less expensive frames for extraction, like Epic Extract, Millstraction, Thoughtpick Rogues, and various lesser versions that use bitter ordeal such as Token Blast, Poxtraction (not PAL, but a more basic version), and BitterStorm (just weird). The issue with those is that they're still not really cheap, and they're sadly just not as good as the top three =/

But I digress...I love the changes you've made to this. Not sure about the factories though to be honest. I have to wonder if this frame really needs those as additional "chisels" with all the other tech it runs in the main and SB. I just think it could run the risk of you wishing you had more versatile lands in a dicey situation. As for StoneBlade...I was genuinely surprised by how much mana burden those things carry with them. It's not as much as reanimator or show and tell (and its variants), but it's more than I was expecting. I bet this thing wrecks those decks with all the burden and denial it creates.

BitterStorm is the cheapest last time I checked, coming at around $500, which is awesome, but it's kind of... Lacking :/
I've started cringing about things like that long ago though, I think it started when one of my friends told me he was picking up Reanimator, or when shopkeep said he might be interested in XX-Lands. They both got their wish given time, but shopkeep was sorely disappointed by how hard it is to play Lands. I think he's back to Affinity now.

The factories are a welcome change actually, it might not have the versatility that I'm accustomed to, but they act as a great chiseling tool, and provide another body for the fire.
StoneBlade is an amazing match for this thing, unless it's the Orzhov variants like Joe propagated for a while. It has a good tech setup right now, and have a lot of powerful mana denial of their own.
The worst match though has to be ANT oddly enough, they just power through Contamination game one, and race me out in game two. TES has a much too fragile mana base, and Fish is too enthralled with ground and pound right now to really matter to me.

I think Thoughtpick Rogues is the cheapest at about $350-400, but it's kinda limited in what it can select depending on the frame used. I enjoy it though...the only one of the "lesser" Extraction designs I dislike is BitterStorm. It's just really weird, and it's one of those decks that either removes like....30 god damn cards at once, or just 3 -_-

ANT doesn't surprise me as much as you'd think. That frame has damn near no mana burden, and ANT is also strange in that it doesn't really GET mana burden as a game progresses. And obviously there's not much room to hit it with mana denial. Honestly in some match-ups, that's ANT's biggest weapon, and you'll see a lot of people who don't get intangible factors like mana burden and denial saying "I don't know why, but it just gives me a hard time..."

I personally don't like the direction Fish is taking/has taken...Then again, I don't like Fish (except mine, but it's not really Fish, it's just Merfolk tribal shenanigans)

"Thoughtpick Rogues" ? Is that anything like the rogue build I came up with a while back?

Yup! That's the one. IIRC yours was pretty budget friendly. I'm honestly a big fan of Thoughtpick Rouges...it's a very disruptive aggro-control kind of deck.

Hmmm... Makes me want to actually build the one I designed. Can you link me to the version you made?

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=153497

Boom =]

I would have thought Thoughtpick Rogues went up in price since Modern, neat.
I actually think I like BitterStorm better than most of the lesser forms, it's the one that feels least like anything else.

Trying to hit ANT with mana denial and burden is like trying to catch smoke with your hands, about the most you can do is change the direction it flows in :| For such a simple deck it is obnoxiously good at dodging what Pox frames can throw at it.
I've seen more ANT players that don't understand mana burden and denial than any other kind, and that is a great deal of why I think of it as an autopilot deck. While it has some neat tricks, it's nothing any other brand of Storm hasn't done, and better.

I don't really care for Fish either, it's [I]too[/I] straightforward now. I've tried tinkering with a Ub Fish using Dark Confidant and Stifle, and it's been doing better than my tourney Fish frame ._.

There are more budget friendly Pox decks actually, I want to say the old style is $400 USD, and I think Crucible is only up at $475 USD(don't quote me on either price though, it's been a while).
The deck type that isn't really possible to do on a reasonable budget is Extraction. The ideas behind each of the "unholy trinity" are all slightly different, but the unifying theme is that your opponent can't beat you if they have nothing to beat you with.

If you mean to build Pox, the best thing I can suggest is to play it from both sides of the table. Older lists are a good point of entry for it especially, but some of the newer ones like Liliana Pox are good too.

FNM isn't quite my forte, but it's usually fun. It's generally a Standard event, which if you want info about the Standard format you can check on the Wizards of the Coast' official MtG site, and has small prizes usually. I know at the shop in my area my friend gets a pack or two when he places in the top three, but I'm not sure if that's the usual.

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Just finished fiddling with my first EDH deck. I happened to remember you like breaking things, so this might amuse you. Coment and let me know what you think. :]

Welcome back dude =]

(don't forget mah nephilim edh ._.)