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A dragon deck that cheats dragons into play quickly by utilizing the graveyard and cheap rebirth spells. This deck does have a first turn kill but usually takes until turn 2 or 3 to have a dragon out and swinging.
Start by putting dragons in the graveyard via buried alive (dark ritual hopefully will help the speed) or putrid imp. Then using one of the cheap rebirth spells, bring them out and start swinging. Ideally you'll put anger, bladewing, and either dragon mage or utvara in the graveyard. The mage is good for refilling your hand, but the drawback is, you're refilling your opponents too. Utvara is good for hitting hard and making it hurt more each turn. Target bladewing in your graveyard with the rebirth spells so that any disenchants will hit bladewing and not the bigger guy, also increased attack bonus with utvara. I normally have a dragon out either turn 2 or 3 and that doesn't take long to hurt. I do know the sideboard needs work, this is my first attempt to make one.
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Nice way to use Putrid Imp. Good job.
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Why aren't you running Reanimate?Also, Cabal Therapy is usually a superior choice than Thoughtseize in a reanimation deck, because you can use it on yourself T1 into a T2 Exhume.My angel-theme reanimate deck is here, for comparison:http://www.mtgvault.com/vikingincarnate/decks/bw-angel-reanimation/
The cost of reanimate is pretty high. True, it is effective and fast, but if something happens to the creature, I'm down 8 life making late game harder. You can choose yourself with thoughtseize. My problem with Therapy is I have to know the deck my opponent is playing so I know which card to name. If I don't, it's a shot in the dark.Angel deck is nice, how fast is it? I've always considered entomb, but I've never found a way to use it to my liking. Other than therapy, how do you deal with graveyard hate? I'm trying to shift my deck a little towards control with the sideboard to deal with it against my deck. A T1 grafdigger's cage could be a problem.
It's pretty fast. The reanimation suite is basically legacy speed, but the deck does lack the blue bits of legacy protection for the fatties and combo. Iona on T1-2, then usually Akroma or Avacyn, depending on the colors my opponent is showing.Because I mostly play casually, I typically don't have much graveyard hate to worry about for game 1. For games 2 and 3, I've got 4x mortify and 2x O-rings sitting at the 3-drop position, which, thanks to the Fetid Heath, i can get out at Turn 2 with a ritual if I need it.I understand your concerns about Cabal Therapy, but for games 2 and 3, you can target the graveyard hate cards or control cards that you think will mess you up most (based on showing on game 1). You can also just go for "Daze" or "Fow" and hope you get lucky. I've also definitely sacc'd angels to use the ability when I knew my opponent had tutored for a way to wreck my afternoon.As far as Entomb goes, I really like it. I don't like feeling like I have to wait for 3 mana or a ritual for Buried Alive. My land is really lean, so if I don't have the Rit for T1, getting 3 land could very reasonably take up to T5 unless I start with 3. Entomb definitely helps speed and reliability. If the people I were playing against weren't all playing highly aggressive, fast decks, and I wanted to slow things up a bit, I'd probably keep a similar build and put in more buried Alive for Entomb and another Living Death or so, just to keep things fun.
And, I was thinking about this some more, I'm not sure how great entomb would fit in your deck. I really need it because often I need a SPECIFIC angel, but you're running many copies of your targets, so are probably in a more forgiving position and it may be better to focus on the number of cards you can reanimate instead of the specific one. Just a thought.
As I think about it, you may be right about reanimate. I'll give it a try and see what happens. Probably replace necromancy with it to avoid the weakness necromancy has.I still like thoughtseize over therapy. Therapy still seems like a gamble to me, even if I know what cards I want to target, it's a gamble if they have them or not, and with an imp as the only creature I'll really want to sacrifice to get it back, it just doesn't seem like the way to go.
Nice deck, getting turn 3 Utvara Hellkite would be very scary. I recommend adding Hellkite Tyrant, Moonveil Dragon or Mordant Dragon. Also, Crucible of Fire, Fireshrieker, or Darksteel Plate would buff your dragons a lot. All in all a great deck, even if it i quite expensive +1 for me.
thanks for the suggestions. I used to have a lot of various dragons in this deck, but I would win before I would get to use whatever abilities. The dragons I have selected require no extra cost. I did use dragon mage for a while, but it's problem was it gave my opponent a new hand too.Crucible of fire, fireshrieker, and darksteel plate are all good cards, but they cost some mana. In the interest of speed, I've left some of those out opting for a hopefully quick game. Always a fan of building up and smacking with huge dragons, but it gives everyone else a chance to build up too.
true, very true. Well if you've considered them then I've done my job. However, if you can't win in the first few turns, some decks might be able to catch up to you, just saying. And those cards I recommended are 3-4 cmc. There pretty good.
And I thank you for your comments. They're pretty good indeed. For the decks that can hold me off, I'm hoping to use the sideboard to shift to a control deck that still uses the dragons to win.
ok fair enough.
Deck looks solid, the only other dragon I'd add would be Thundermaw Hellkite cuz it works well with Reanimate, If you decide to use it, as it's a 5 drop. It also causes all opponents creatures with flying to take 1 damage and tap, so it clears the way for the your dragons to attack. But I really like the deck it's a sweet idea!
Thanks, that's not a bad idea. I was relying on the bogardan's to deal with any initial creatures. I do like Thundermaw's lower casting cost.
you've inspired me to make a modern black red version of this with my own dragons thank you im going to use avatar of discord and a few other discard cards and yes the return creature card from graveyard cards will be more manna but it should still work just fine just a little slower thanks again~ Dan
post a link, I'd be interested to see it. I've seen another black and red deck that uses stormbreath dragon and desecration demon. I've thought about doing that, and transitioning away from rebirth spells. But then it wouldn't be my dragon deck :-)
ya no im using completely different dragons and modern cards for it I am taking the basic concept from u but different cards I have dragons like spawn of thraxes, rimescale dragon, ryusei, shivan dragon, pardic dragon, furnace whelp, possibly teneb, and most likely kokusho as my dragons still have to decide on which.
Good job Wheezy, I have never seen a deck like yours, a rogue deck, nice. My doubt is:Originally you have built this deck since March/14 and the last comment is in October/14. What do you feel about your deck? What are worrying you about it? For me your deck has a good sinergy. So tell us what is happening in your games.
It's actually going off pretty well. I've been surprised how many times I'm swing with Utvara by turn 3 (which starts doubling my dragons). I haven't used the sideboard too much, except for blightning which has been very helpful.I will admit, I do not have bloodstained mire, Liliana, and I only have one thoughtseize so I cannot say I'm firing on all cylinders, but it's still going really well. It does pretty well in multiplayer too. Unfortunately I don't get to play my friends as often anymore, but they all have to bring out their best (and banned) decks to win. On that note, slaughter games is specifically a hate card against a few people.I don't worry about it too much, I'm just seeing if anyone has some new ideas. I don't think it'll get much faster without changing the deck pretty drastically.
Alright. I get it.My suggestions are for some situations that you can deal.Against Combo decks, control a little bit:You could include Hymn to Tourach (discard two random cards) or duress ( you choose one nonland and noncretaure card to discard).You want combo after a combo:Browbeat (your opponent takes 5 damage or you draw 3 cards), Phyrexian Arena (each turn you draw a additional card).Creatures:I looked at http://magiccards.info/query?q=t%3A%22dragon%22+t%3A%22creature%22&s=cname&v=card&p=1and I saw all dragons. Man you have chosen the good ones.You told us that you can reanimate a dragon in your third turn, for a casual game this is good. However if you want a perfect reanimation combo in your first turn you can use the card Reanimate. Combo in your first turn: swamp + dark ritual + putrid imp + discard a dragon + discard other dragon + reanimate + reanimate again. This is like a royal flush.
Thanks for the suggestionsI do like duress, but it doesn't break up creature combos. I went with thoughtseize, so I can thoughtseize myself if I needed to and I can choose a bigger variety from an opponent.I do like browbeat, that might be a better idea an faithless looting.My only problem with reanimate is the life loss. A pretty good hand for this deck is Blood Crypt + dark ritual + putrid imp and exhume, with discarding ideally Utvara, anger, and bladewing. As far as playing the deck goes, it's not uncommon to get a hand where I can have a dragon in play first turn, just not swinging. You're probably right though, to speed up, I'd probably need reanimate.