Cards that should be reprinted

Agree with Force of Will...or any 2cmc counterspell with no drawback.

Damnation...the "can't be regenerated" part of the card is what is going to make it where they will not reprint it. Sad but true.

Hymn to Tourach/Mind Twist. Yep. Agree. When you don't have Black Lotuses/Moxes to back them up...they aren't overpowered like back in the day.

Here is something: Cards that SHOULD NOT BE REPRINTED:

Fetchlands
IT slows the game down (all the damn searching) and who wants to have to spend hundreds of dollars for lands!

Assuming all for group 3? small pox would be sweet in standard atm with waste not and animate dead.

Yes all in standard would be fine

Jace was reprinted in FtV: 20 he sure as hell isn't getting another

Some might argue about FTV being a "reprint" of anything.

"From the vault:
This means that these cards are legal for use in any tournaments where their original printings are still legal"

In other words the format for the card does not change. Many will consider a "reprint" to mean: becomes legal in standard for the current block.

while I understand what you are saying, I'll stick with the definition of reprint as "being printed again" and also why would they print a card that was instabanned its original standard and banned in modern again?

Type your deck name...Which cards for which format?:P
Zirilan would be interesting
Tithe has always been a fine and balanced card
land's edge for standard or modern?:P
Mind over matter would open up a ton of new decks in modern i would honestly love this.
jace as a reprint for legacy? I feel if they threw him into a commander deck they could knock his price down a lot and well we all know walkers are mostly lackluster in commander:P
Though a "legacy Masters" set would also be nice

i'm on the same page as necro, jace is banned in modern for a reason and even his time in standard got him banned.. too strong for young formats...

I suppose one would have to identify this question for a reprint of something like Jace. "How many other powerful cards are also being reprinted" He's good, don't get me wrong but there are way better cards out there. The subject of this thread raises the question of which cards should be reprinted (for whatever reason), and is not inclined to abide the no reprint list, least is what i got from it. Do I expect to see the power 9 listed here at some point? Maybe, maybe not. In the right environment of what's standard, many cards can be deemed too powerful, or not powerful enough, it depends what cards are printed with them. I specifically listed the one casting cost tutors (vampiric tutor, enlighten tutor ect), with current standard it would be godly, but again what else gets printed with them really determines their power in a given format.

He is still the number 1 planeswalker ever printed, close second is Lily of the veil.
If he ever does get reprinted in standard it won't be for YEARS down the road.

Aether Vial. Agreed. So many good ones to choose from.

I feel people are salty about snapcaster in standard because it was mostly paired with delver, if its in a format where delver is abscent I feel that it wouldn't be as huge of an ERMAGERD card.
It is very balanced, and as a player who enjoys control I miss the fuck out of it lol.

Vial would just give weenie decks a chance to be top tier decks for a while, sure they place from time to time, but they are not in the same tier as most of the other decks atm.

Hell yes! I'm sick of 2cmc rip-offs.

Yep I can agree with this, I feel they just didn't want people bolting walkers:P
not too powerful for standard at all.

I'd rather see chain lightning in standard, then it would be tunable in modern

chain lighting is to op wizards cant let people run a round with lighting bolt with kicker

I don't think it'll be too strong for modern

Chain lightnings ability your opponent can use, not you

Yes and no, if they choose to use it back at you you can then use it again, but that would never be smart:p

k I thought only u can use it DERP!XD

the second effect of course

I got another card lava spike its chain lighting without the drawback

They print cards like this every now and then ill just in in the functional reprints:P

I know I said try to stay away from it, i feel some of the fringe cards may eventually see a reprint or at least a functional one.

lol serum visions is just because they banned all the other good ones:P\but yeah thats pretty absurd for a common.

Hierarch might be in the next modern masters, besides that cant see anything like that being printed until the next set with exalted.

Oh yeah! I second this!

I feel with dimir just passing and the printing of (Breaking // Entering) albiet worse than glimpse, sadly this may be a while off from a reprint. though we could always get a mono U version of it?

I honestly don't like this deck because it has way too many colors its just plain stupid. :(

I feel without dark ritual in modern(and it should never ever be in modern) entomb wouldn't be too bad, I feel this is all fair, I mean animate dead dies to decay while the creature it animates dies to most not burn removal. Seems fair to me.

I agree, their are so many answers to a Reanimator deck so why not?

I feel that sinkhole wont ever see a reprint as wizards has said many times they want to stay away from cheap land destruction because it makes newer players not want to play.

And yeah, I want smallpox and waste not in standard at the same time.

Prohibit- would be a nice 2 CMC counter, could replace leak in most match ups even.
Opt- Sleight of Hand is basically the exact same card, besides the fact that it doesn't proc(when you draw effects)
Price of Progress- I'm fine with burn getting some more tools as I play 4x Leylines:P, might be too strong but who knows, if it is could always warrent a ban.
Sylvan Library- I feel there would be no way they would ever print this in modern, that being said functional reprint... maybe.
Shardless Agent- Shardless Bug in modern could be cool, the likely hook of this happening with how BBE is banned in modern makes me feel this is unlikely. That being said you can't cascade into a Lily of the V with this thing making it maybe a bit more balanced.
Crop Rotation- I really don't know if R/G tron or G/x tron really needs an extra push, though i guess it would also be great vs tron in loam builds so maybe it would be fine?
Noble Hierarch- Fuck i know right? I doubt it'll see a reprint outside of modern masters 2.0
Divert- I completely forgot this card existed lol, I would like this, or even something like "1U or UU Exile target spell."
Oblation- I feel B/W tokens and Deadguy's ale would love this card haha.

Overall your list seems very well thought out and mostly would work in modern, I still think price and library may be pushing it, but you never know with power creep.

http://www.mtgvault.com/viagrasaurusrex/decks/797304/

This is the list I'm working on that would rock crop rotation if it was ever printed in modern. Still a huge work in progress, but the gameplan is pretty clear.

Opt is NOT sleight of hand. It's an instant. That SOOO much better. Scry 1, Draw a card at instant speed is amazing but not broken I think.

Price of Progress would give burn decks another way to punish greedy land-bases. Remember it does nothing against mono-colored decks or decks that can fetch up basics instead of duals. So basically it forces you to run basics which makes 3+ color mana bases slightly less consistent. Having this in the format means my American Control deck goes up to 4 spell snare though lol.

Sylvan Library is only super-broken in EDH where you have lots of life. It's only played as a 1 of in most legacy decks that play it and they only take the 4 damage against control, not in races. Since modern cares about life totals so much, Library wouldn't be broken by any means.

Well old mechanics get reprinted all the time in new sets/blocks, for example Morph is back in Khans block.
I in no way mean these will be printed in the next year, just cards that would be cool to see a reprint on.

As for Hymn and Visions:
Hymn I mainly put it because I would love for it to be printed in "modern masters" not standard meaning set flavour doesn't really matter too much in terms of what came from what plane.
Visions well 1 CMC cantrips get created all the time, its not hard for them to just change the name with a similar effect.

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/khans-of-tarkir-spoiler-alert/

Proof of morph being brought back.
My new deck using Thousand Winds.

I really hope they add some good flicker effects so that we can abuse these morph creatures in khans.

Tribal is pretty weak in standard normally, besides when tribal blocks are around. I feel this would see 0 play in standard without a tribal block, but could lead to some fun modern decks modern cheerios could get interesting.

Yeah, I agree....from what little i see...Tribal is weak in standard.

I Think you meant to comment that on the one above this haha:P

Fixed it, friend :)

they're banned because they made it too easy for storm to go off turn 2 and a forsure win turn 3.

Juzam Djinn is on the reserved list, I will put it as a functional reprint, they do print cards like it still though, herald of torment is the most recent reprint.

Angus Mackenzie is also on the reserved list:P, who knows he may see a reprint in commander product one year?:P

Yep, that has to be why. Storm wasn't even made up in 2002.

All Brainstorm did back in the day was ensure you got a land (if mana screwed) or you got a counterspell in your hand. It usually did nothing more than that.

Sorry...about them (the two creatures) being on the reserved list (as you asked to not suggest/mention them). I just know they are extremely overpriced for what they actually do. And thus, only so expensive because they have not been reprinted.

It's not JUST storm, but a lot of it is storm. Cantrips in general (cards that replace themselves with some small effect) and especially ones at instant speed allow a deck to reduce variance (the randomness of magic) which means that you can more easily enact your game plan. Any deck that is trying to assemble a combo wants cantrips. When cantrips are good, combo is good, when cantrips are bad, combo is bad. Since Modern is trying to reduce the efficacy of combo decks (no CONSISTENT turn 3 wins) the best cantrips in the format have been banned. That's a little simplistic, but I think mostly accurate. Since storm's combo IS cantrips, they obviously benefit the most when new ones are printed... but cantrips help ALL combo decks go off sooner or dodge hate more easily.

I know they help other combo decks, just in modern storm is/was by far the best combo deck(pre all the bannings) It could play multiple different cards as win conditions making it a lot more versitile than somethings like ad naus or other combo decks that would just love brainstorm.

In the end ponder and preordian will be unbanned wayyyy before brainstorm.

ALSO fetches make brainstorm 100x better. Without fetches, brainstorm is way more fair.

More reasons to prove that Fetchlands were a mistake.

How now I love time Spiral it made The Rack modern legal:p

I am just being a hater!!! :)

Building Tolarian Academy Affinity ASAP

Yucky stuff! The Academy...yucky.
I actually have 1!
I have 1 copy of every legendary land in Urza Saga except Cradle.

Serra's Sanctum has seen a huge jump in price!!!
Theros and it being so enchantment heavy.

Fyi: Urza Saga was going to be designed to be Heavy with Enchantments...and light on Artifacts...but at the last minute, the design team was told to make Urza Saga ALL about Artifacts...and the rest is history!

It could of been Serra's Sanctum broken and Tolarian Academy unheard of.

No.
They should not ever reprint Fetchlands.

Bad idea.
It slows down the game.
I don't want to have to wait EVERY single time you play a land.
It slows Magic Down.

Plus, you shouldn't have to pay 500 bucks for lands!!!

Fetchlands was a horrible idea that needs to disappear...not be brought back.

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Fetchlands allow you to run 3+ color decks and splash colors more easily. They also work well with the shocklands and checklands better than anything else. They'll see play now no matter what. Since the cat's already out of the bag, we might as well bring their price down to 30-40 instead of 50-80+.

http://www.mtgbrodeals.com/2013/10/21/enlistment-officer-top-8-cards-people-need-to-stop-begging-to-be-reprinted/

I agree with this guy.
He has Fetchlands as the number 1 thing that DOES NOT need to be reprinted.
I like his reasons.

They said that fetchlands will be reprinted in the future, more specifically the onslaught fetches.
They want to keep growing on modern and reprinting these fetches will not only make certain decks better, but open up the possibilty to play new colour combinations with more consistantcy.
Not to mention the price drop.

"There is absolutely no way that Wizards wants fetchlands and shocklands interacting in Standard, even for three months. It would be the worst summer of Standard."

That is his quote, not mine.

I simply hate them because, as said before, they slow down the game and cost too much.

I get why they came out...landfall and stuff...Magic being stale at the time...again, I get it.

Just don't believe they should reprint them.

To quote the guy again, "Hell, ban ‘em in Modern just to make the format somewhat more interesting."

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/duel-decks-speed-vs-cunning-2014-08-18

Cards like Mystic Monastery and Nomad Outpost gets you 3 colors without people having to wait on you to search for a land every Fetchland you play.

I think Magic is doing right by going that way.

Mystic Monastery, land, comes in tapped. Tap it to add either: blue, or red, or white.
Nomad Outpost, land, comes in tapped. Tap it to add either: red, or white, or black.

It provides you access to 3 mana, again, without slowing the game down every single land drop.

I know that fetches and shocks wont be interacting in standard as they will be reprinted after the shocks rotate.

They don't slow down the game unless you are really, really impatient lol. and the point of reprinting them is to make them cost less...

They don't just proc landfall, they also thin out your deck meaning you are less likely to draw a land and more likely to draw a live card.

Banning the land fixing would cripple many decks and all the format would be is merfolk, elve and affinity... that sounds super fun.

card like Mystic Monastery and Nomad Outpost are wayyyy too slow and make you play a turn behind, not to mention if you are a 3 coloured aggro or tempo deck like Zoo or Delver untapped lands is HUGE.
It takes 2 seconds to grab the land you need...

Actually it might not slow the"game down" but it slows your deck down making it hands down worse.

You need to stop thinking from a budget casual sorta mindset when we are talking about competitive formats.

Lets list why fetches are better than gates and tri colour tapped lands:
1:Can fetch basics so you don't lose to back to basics, wasteland or blood moon.
2:thins your deck so you are drawing more live
3:makes goyf bigger and DRS able to ramp
4: Lands you fetch don't have to come into play tapped so you aren't playing a slow as fuck deck(sometimes you let shocks come into play tapped if you don't have a play)
5: You dont have to crack them ASAP you can let the game progress and crack them when you need to.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/50794908720/will-we-ever-see-the-old-fetchlands-in-standard

Maro hints at old fetches could see a reprint, yeah he said that he didn't want them to interact with shocks "in standard" after shocks rotate they won't be interacting with eachother.

You have to understand that Modern is the baby of MTG, they want it to flourish, they will cater to it.

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Okay. This deck asked for my opinion and then I get downvoted for them.

I am out.

The fact that I even posted a link PROVES I actually spent time on your deck, Viagra T-rex, and researched the question you asked.

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PLUS, by posting the link, it shows someone that believes the same thing as I do...that Fetch lands do not need to be reprinted...and indeed, should of never been printed. They have become like Dual lands (Vintage/Legacy) where YOU HAVE TO USE THEM TO BE COMPETITIVE (Modern). That, is weak.

http://www.recoculous.com/2009/11/03/why-i-hate-fetch-lands/

Proving my point, with "Why? Because we are absolutely forced to play them. Want to play a Shards of Alara deck, like Jund? Great, but you better get the fetch lands for it. Want to play Vampires? Bloodghast and Vampire Nocturnus demand fetch lands. Want to play mono red? Great, but the landfall cards are only ten times better with fetch lands! I don’t like being forced into playing fetch lands. I like an option of playing a deck that doesn’t require fetch lands. Vampires would have been the perfect deck to not require fetch lands. After all, mono black shouldn’t need “dual lands,” right? Unfortunately, Wizards of the Coast even found a place for fetch lands in mono black. Again and again Wizards of the Coast makes the same mistake: They try to force us to do what we don’t want to do. Mark Rosewater talks about how he made this mistake in the past, but never plans on making it again. He apparently doesn’t see that it’s still happening. Mark Rosewater realizes that madness decks required us to discard cards, which is something we don’t want to do. Then he thinks we want to play lands, so he can force us to play them with landfall. Everything sounds great so far until it spirals out of control and no other options are available."

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Having to run cards, or else you lose...that is the wrong way to take Magic...not the right way. Look back at Combo Winter and Black Summer. Look at all the legacy/vintage decks that run Dual Lands.

Where you have people like PhyrexianPossum tell you that your decks suck because they do not have Fetchlands.

As you seemed to suggest, either run Fetch Lands or don't be competitive.
That is running into the same damn issue Mtg had back with Legends/Rebels...where they had to change the rules of Legends just because everyone was playing the same cards.

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Why ask people's opinion if they are going to get downvoted for their effort?
I mean, seriously? Why even do that?
My time will be better spent elsewhere, down vote this comment to, might as well.
Again, I posted 2 links showing support that Fetchlands should A) Be banned or B) Should never be reprinted.

I could post more links showing support for me...but why bother, just going to get downvoted again for it.

Final Thought...if Mtg is going to ram something down our throats...make the cards Commons.
If you are going to either play Fetchlands or else lose the game...make them Commons.

And, casey130, by printing Fetchlands, at all, made Modern inaccessible to people.
People don't want to pay 500 dollars for lands! It is a sad for people like me, that can't afford to be competitive.

I mean, think about that, "Can't afford to be competitive."
Either be a rich ass who can buy Snapcaster, Dark Confident, Jace, Tarmogofy, and Fetchlands...or be a poor person and lose.
That is weak. AND NOT what Mtg should be about.

One more post, then I am done.
Misty rainforest is 65 dollars
Even if they do reprint it...what will it be, 20 dollars?
For a land?

Again...not everybody like Mark Rosewater and PhyrexianPossum, has the money to pay 20 dollars (or even 10 damn dollars) for a SINGLE LAND, to be competitive. Lands, of all things, should not be the most expensive things in your deck.

I can picture teaching a new person to play Magic:

Me, "Here is my creature, and this is what you call an Enchantment. This here is an Artifact. These cards here are instant and sorcery cards. And what do you play them all with? Lands, here are my lands, yep, spent 500 dollars on them."

My friend, "So, to play Enchantments, Artifacts, and Creatures...and to be competitive in this game, i have to have 500 dollars to spend on Lands?

Me, "Yep."

Him, "I am walking out."

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Hasbro knows what it is doing, making money.

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From what I have been told by people like Puschkin...Modern consists of the same 3 or 4 deck types.
Those 3 or 4 decks always win, all of which run Fetchlands.

Remove the Fetchlands...so people have to actually come up with something new/different/refreshing.
Or make them Legendary. I mean...you have Legendary lands like Shivan Gorge worth less than Misty Rainforest...which you can have 4 in a deck. That doesn't even make sense. Just like Serum costing 7 bucks.

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(I counteracted the down-votes for you Jessie)

I like that fetchlands give you the ability to shuffle your deck. I can do cool things with Sensei's top or brainstorm or Oracle of Mul-Daya or a ton of other cards that I couldn't do otherwise and I love playing with and against them, however, they are too expensive. They should be 20 dollars, not 70. I got my Arid Mesas and Scalding Tarns for 14 when they were in standard and I think that's a fair price for them. I didn't cry having to pay that, because I knew I'd be playing them in decks forever! Lands are expensive because every deck plays them. It's not just the fetches either! Gaea's Cradle is 100+, Wasteland is 100+, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Dale is even more! Lands are the core aspect that makes a deck work and running the absolute best ones available gives you a huge edge. I'm spoiled rotten with fetches in Modern and in standard I feel really weird because I can only really play 2 colors, I want MOAR. So maybe if we just banned them... nah. I like playing 3 color decks that can actually keep up with Mono-red or Faeries or Green Devotion or Mono-blue delver. I've tried playing WRU without fetches and it is wayyy harder.

Even from just a price perspective, I don't think banning is the answer, if the fetches were banned, the filters would go up to 50-60 dollars and the checklands would go up and the shocks would go up (because now we need 4 ofs instead of using 2 or 3). If the fetches were banned, maybe even the fast lands would go up to 30-40. There's no real way around lands being expensive unless you reprint A TON of them. So that's what Wizards should do. Put good lands in dual decks and commander products and stuff. Stop giving us products filled with terramorphic expanses and evolving wilds... Give us Filters, and Fetches, and print new lands that can compete with the fetches. Make landbases accessible to players to play with.

*Edit* Also Hasbro doesn't really make money from the secondary market... only from new sales of packs and stuff. So they've probably made as much from Temples as from Fetches.

Thank you for your kind actions, friend! And keeping me straight on fetchlands being banned and Hasbro ripping us off with fetchland costs :)

And maybe that is my problem...being so close minded and back in 2002...where mono decks ruled.
Even today...with 80 decks on Magic Vault...i do not have deck that runs more then 2 colors.

So...maybe it is me just being hateful and bias, lol.
Yes, they should print a ton of them.
Everyone, with 50 bucks or so, should be able to make a deck that can win! :)

I think that is why Northy has hot deck after hot deck after hot deck after hot deck.
And someone like PhyrexianPossum, who makes excellent tourney decks, can't get a single like for her decks.
The idea is that anyone that has 2,000 thousand dollars and excellent lands can make a killer deck.
"Oh wow, you have a Turn 3 winning deck, and how much did you pay for it, 2000 dollars?!"

I remember thinking a 50 dollar Black Lotus was too much. That Magic was out of their mind, Richard Garfield too, for wanting to charge 50 bucks for one card. Boy was I wrong...

Maybe that is why he quit. He created it...and seen it was going too far...with the stuff that Urza Saga was doing...and how much the Power 9 was overpriced. It stopped being a casual game and was turned into jobs for some people (who plays Tourneys for money).

Hey I can't stop people from down-voting you, but its one thing to play casual and be like yeah fetches are over priced.
You don't need fetches to make a deck good but they help and just because you have to shuffle after doesn't mean anything time wise.

Fetches are good and are very healthy for eternal formats, that's why they need to be reprinted to drop the price, then reprinted again to drop it even further to help make eternal formats more accessible to everyone.

not reprinting a card because it is expensive is the stupidest reason not to reprint something...

Also, they get those amount of likes because they are catering to this community. I don't care if people like my decks I mostly use this site as a build tool for ideals i have etc.
It's not hard to build a casual deck, we all started there, we all know how to do it.

Some would argue, very serious Tourney players on here (I could give you a few names, and one of them probably is the best deck builder on this site), that they think Fetchlands are overpriced. And they actually own and play them. So...yeah, they need to go down in price...and sadly, probably need to be reprinted to decrease their cost, as they will never ban them. So me playing Casual has nothing to do with hating the costs :) And some people would say that they are so expensive because you are almost forced to use them (as the article i linked describes) if you want to be competitive...and I just despise (growing up poor and still being bad off financially) the idea that to be competitive at a card game...you have to spend 50 dollars on one card. Again, I could find dozens of people on here that say Mtg is in the wrong for that...not in the right. This isn't Boating Hobby or Golfing for rich people. It is a card game.

I respect your decisions/views. And you do play Tourney style decks, so i know you know what you are talking about. Never meant to step on anybodies toes. I do this sometimes...go on rants, and get fired up. lol

But, with that said, as I said...I found dozens of sites blaming Fetchlands for ruining Modern (just as many as I seen that said Modern was saved by the invention of them). Many, many people feel they should be banned or never invented. You can google search it, for proof.

They made a mistake with Strip Mine, Tolarian Academy. With Gaea's Cradle. With Artifact Lands. I was just hinting that Fetchlands may be up for consideration too. True, they don't win you the game on Turn 2...but still, may need to be up for consideration when EVER Tourney deck plays them.

What percentage, of Modern Tourney decks run Fetchlands?
They banned (back in the day) Rishadan Port and Lin Sivvi because over half of the decks being played contained one of those cards in their deck. But I bet money WAY over half of people run Fetchlands in their Modern Tourney Decks.
You can't cherry pick cards to be banned just because everyone is playing them. Or if you can cherry pick them, like they did Rishadan and Lin Sivvi, based on too many people playing them, then indeed, Fetchlands needs to be added to the list.

"not reprinting a card because it is expensive is the stupidest reason not to reprint something.."

That is why i suggested Djinn and MacKenzie. :)

Finally, some would say building casual decks is more difficult then a Tourney Deck...because, again, if you have 2,000 dollars to spend on cards, you should be able to make a damn good deck. It is sorta like, if you have 2,000 dollars and can't make a Turn 3 winning deck...you don't need to be playing Magic. lol

If you only have 20 bucks though...it is much more of a challenge.

Thank you for putting up this deck, and letting me discuss this with you :)
No hard feelings, man...after all, it is just a game...even if some people spend 2,000 grand to make a deck :) It is still just a game to enjoy! :)

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Okay, I think everyone can agree to that one, casey130!!

See I'm a realist, so i know that the only way wizards would get the price to go down would be reprints.
I wasn't trying to be rude, I just think its crazy to think fetches are bad because they cause you to shuffle more:P
I mean my Modern deck is worth 800$ and has 0 fetches in it, that being said I do need a playset of verdants for a build I have been working on -_-

See the situation with Lin Sivvi was different, the format was dominated by an ARCHETYPE. Using fetches doesn't tie one down to playing a specific deck or style of deck. It's one thing to be angry about 50% of the decks you play against being Rebels (or Necropotence, or Affinity, or Faeries, or Jund, or Caw-Blade) and another to be angry that everybody's doing T1 Fetchland, pass. Heck, if somebody plays a scalding tarn against me turn one, I have no idea if I'm staring down a burn player or a control deck!

Well said :)

or a combo player, or delver:P

Ban fetches and never speak of them again. I haven't bought new MTG cards in awhile, tired of the prices of shit like goyf and Bob. Its dumb. They do need to rethink the narrowness of some key cards. Maybe a good idea is lowering the rarity, or just reprint the hell out of them, like put them in the duel decks, commander 14, modern masters 2, just damn every thing

I do own playsets of the fetches, and bobs, but its rough at the shop when we have 12 modern players because no one else can afford to pay in to be competitive. No one wants to show up with budget vampires, or simic and go 0-4

There are budget decks like burn etc, like my deck is 800+ and has 0 fetches in it(8-rack).
Filter lands could all use a reprint also, I mean some of them are pretty pricy also.

I would never say ban fetches as they play a key roll in some decks, but i do agree with uncommon status or like reprint into oblivion like make them the new check lands and print them every single coreset.

i dont remember the name for the land cycle, but it would also be nice for them to print the remaining 5 lands in the darkslick shore, blackcleave cliffs, seachrome coast cycle.
They allow 2 colour aggro/tempo decks to have better fixing early game making fetch lands less important.

Guile would need to be 2 CMC I think.
Omen might be too slow for modern, would be great in standard though

See, I don't exactly want Hymn I just mainly want a 2 mana discard spell that bins two cards that isnt mindwrench.
Even if it was "target player discards a card, then discards a card at random"
Or even something like "Gerrard's Verdict" Though i think 3 life is a bit much.

Deed is a fine card, I will add that one right away.

wasnt pernicious deed reprinted in conspiracy?

good enough for me.

I second this.

If you didn't notice I was putting cards like:
Shardless Agent and Noble Hierarch under the modern catergory, as I feel they could be reprinted in the next modern master.
Also Birthing Pod and Snapcaster mage COULD be printed again in standard(same with hierarch though less like due to shard colours) The next time magic brings back flashback or The next assult by Phyrexia we could all see these cards again. Pod was super fair in standard and was by no means a cheap deck, and snapcaster mage was a fair card to it just got a bad rap because of delver.

Yeah I have no doubt that wizards wont print fetches in khans block and they will print wedge panoramas instead.
Over all I agree with everything you have said.

Three questions:

I do not own any Modern Master cards....but from the few people that have talked about them, they are CRAZY EXPENSIVE.

Something like 20 dollars for a single booster pack!

1) IF that is true...and they reprint Fetchlands in Modern Masters 2...my question is, will it lower the price of the Fetchlands?

I mean...if you are going to pay 20 dollars for 1 rare, 3 uncommon, and 12 others...a Fetchland is going to be outrageous in price, right? The Hype of the card plus the outrageous price of a single Booster Pack...scary to think how much the Fetchlands will cost.

Example: Troll and Toad
Aether Vial Darksteel Singles = 25 dollars
Aether Vial Modern Masters = 38 dollars
The Modern Master version is 13 dollars more.

And looking at TCG Player Price Guide...and when Aether Vial was reprinted in June in Modern Masters, the Darksteel version did not drop in price any. None. No drop. No drop at all.
Looking at Aether Vial not dropping...it would be a fair assumption to say Fetchlands may not drop.

Which leads to my second question:

I noticed they decreased the rarity of cards (from uncommon to common, from rare to uncommon, from mythical rare ((mythical rares, really?! what are we playing, pokemon..add that to my complaints of Mtg, mythical rares?!)) to rare) 25 times.

2) Could they reduce the rarity of the fetchlands, if printed in Modern Masters 2? Could they make Fetchlands uncommon?

3) If they reduced them to uncommons...and considering Aether Vial is 13 dollars more in Modern Masters...will the umcommon Fetchland price end up being the same as the rare ones of Zendikar?

There is a huge difference when cards are printed in a limited print set and when they are printed in an unlimited print set, I mean mutavault used to be 40$+

Also Vial had its raity upped to rare in MM, and it is only worth 23$ in modern masters not 38$... sure the foil is 40$
http://sales.starcitygames.com/search.php?substring=Aether+Vial&t_all=All&start_date=2010-01-29&end_date=2012-04-22&order_1=finish&limit=25&action=Show%2BDecks&card_qty%5B1%5D=1&auto=Y
(tcgplayer has it for 23 non-foil)

The reason this cards price didn't drop is because they upped the rarity not lowered it.
The reason they changed rarity is because the cards werent as powerful as they once were, sure in a normal set they might be mythic strong, but not in this limited format. When they change rarity its so that the limited format doesn't get fucked by unbalanced colours/cards.
Limited is my favorite format hands down.

I would be completely fine if they made fetches uncommon, I would love that. Sadly I feel that won't happen. Also Fetches will be reprinted in a block not in MM2.0

Vial isn't 13$ more and if it is on a certain site I wouldn't buy from them because they are ripping you off hard.
Vial is 23-25$ from MM.

In the end Fetches will be printed in a block format much like they did with shocks, if you want to consider a difference in price, consider the difference in price between the old shocks and the new shocks and then do the same with fetches in that situation.
That is a ton more realistic comparrison.

I mean most of the shocks are half the price at least of the older versions.

Doing a search now:

Stomping Ground Guildpact = 14 dollars
Stomping Ground Gatecrash = 8 dollars

So...Misty Rainforest is 62 dollars.
A newer version would be 35 dollars...doing the same math.
140 bucks for 4 lands. 4 cards out of 60 cards...and you are already up 140 dollars!!!!
And what really pisses my poor ass off is this:
140 dollars for 4 cards is suppose to feel like a "blessing" and like a "steal" compared to 240 dollars for 4 cards.

I don't think I will ever be owning any Fetchlands anytime soon :(

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/025587.html

It's better to use this as a reference, these were the prices of shocks before a reprint was confirmed.
the prices dropped as soon as they got annoced in RTR.

I actually meant to put it there lol my bad.

Oops, apparently so are
Angus Mackenzie
Zirilan of the Claw
Mind over Matter

Isn't the Reserved list such a pain?

I am leaving the commanders on there, I feel if anything on the reserve list will get reprinted it will be some of the old legends.

Mind over matter was meant to be on the sb also:P

I will agree to that.

But they are fair in standard . . . they're good in Modern, Legacy, and Commander because of complimentary lands.

They are the most fair in standard out of every format, why would you want to limit the already limited amount of viable decks in standard?

"Without shocklands in standard, the fetches would be pretty fair." Vintage FTW

"There is absolutely no way that Wizards wants fetchlands and shocklands interacting in Standard, even for three months. It would be the worst summer of Standard."

http://www.mtgbrodeals.com/2013/10/21/enlistment-officer-top-8-cards-people-need-to-stop-begging-to-be-reprinted/

So...as PhyrexianPossum said...if they reprint them, but ban them in standard:

1) They will be cheaper in Modern
2) Won't screw up Standard.

You do realise there is no possible way they could ever interact in standard even if they reprinted them in the next block as upon release of the next block RTR rotates and along with it the shock lands.
Not that I think they will be printed next block(maybe the one after, or in a core set where plane flavour doesn't matter)

the reasons we are saying they're fair is because we all mentally know that if they were reptinted in the next block or core or even the block after that, there wont be any shocks in standard thus making it fine.

I do not Play Standard or Modern...so no, I did not know that :(
Just taking other people's words for it.
Sorry.

Yeah how standard works is its the two most recent blocks and the most recent core set(2 core sets are active until the new block comes out)

So right now it is:

Rtr block
M14
Theros
M15.

once the first set of Khans comes out it will kick out RTR and M14, standard will look more like this:

Theros Block
M15
Khans

Its just how the rotation works:P

Thanks for sharing that info.
Does that mean sometimes Standard has 4 Expansions and sometimes it has 3 expansions?

What do you mean by expansions? like the 2nd-3rd set in a block?

right now it is:

1-(Return to Ravnica
2-Gatecrash
3-Dragon's Maze)
4-M14
5-(Theros
6-Born of the Gods
7-Journey into Nyx)
8-M15.

and after roations itll just be:

1-(Theros
2-Born of the Gods
3-Journey into Nyx)
4-M15.
5-Khans of Tarkir

if thats what you mean?

I mean foil delver is pretty pricy...
I feel probe will be reprinted the next time phyrexia roles around in a block.
Caress would be cool, but I don't think it'll have enough support in standard with printing some new good discard spells.
Also with her not being in the story until at least next block it may be a bit before we see her:P

I'm fine with foils costing $$. If you want your deck all pimped out then yeah, sure, whatever. Foils are basically more rare than rare, so I'd expect a play set to cost money. But for playability I don't want my budget decks to avoid commons and uncommons. Caress... not a super card. I'm not sure it's seen constructed play past the kitchen table. Which means it's price is inflated because there's a lot of kitchen players out there... Which means wizards should pay attention to build around me reprints like caress, tribal lords, etc.

Building a deck and found another $4 uncommon I want reprinted. Baleful Strix.

See caress see's a ton of commander play in certain combo decks or discard decks. It's also played in bad versions of the 8-rack deck.

I'm down with the strix.

Ugh...Caress...it is better than Megrim...sure...but something like Nihil Stone is what I prefer.

also 0 cost artifacts and color bearing myrs

I could do without broken. The prices on fetch lands are a bit ridiculous though.

Well most shocks lost over half their value upon reprint(well even as soon as they were confirmed as a reprint.)
Some like hallowed fountain and breeding pool droped alost 2/3s the price.
I feel that would be amazing if they reprinted fetches and the same thing happened.

jks

Most of the cards from the reserve list are there for a functional reprint, not an exact reprint.
I left the Legendary ones there because if they get printed in a From the vaults legends 2.0 it won't lower the old versions price at all

Oh that's true, and any of these could be pre-timespiral ALL-CAPS PLANESWALKERS. The emergence of that sort of power might attract a certain scheming dragon planeswalker to the scene... (*spoiler* It's Nicol Bolas).

Basically that, I mean if they could go back in time, they should be able to at least take a walker back with them.
I would love a new bolas card, I just feel its unlikely if we are using enemy wedges and he is fully grixis.

I blame storm crow.

I actually miss cannibalize.

baloth would be sweet with devotion.

chimney imp was always a fair card I don't see why people hate it so much

incinerate albiet not that useful atm I'm sure will eventully get a reprint once regenerate has a pressence again.


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Thank you. That means a lot to me.
What if Wizards see this deck? They could actually reprint some of these...

lol well i doubt they would ever just go off this.
But I'm sure many of these cards are at least on thier radar.(besides the reserve listed cards)
I mean, whenever they revist a plane they look back and build off the lore/do a couple reprints so it isn't that farfetched that its a possibility.

I just wish that game stores didn't control the singles market pricing -_-

What you talkin' bout? I control the singles market pricing! MWAHAHAHAH!!

Either that or itsten 2 colour to activate utility lands:
5 enemy
5 ally

reading more into the topic, it seems they want lands that dont enter the battlefield tapped. and its 3 different cycles so:
5 wedges
5 panorama's like in shards but for wedges
5 filter lands maybe? I would love filter reprints.

I have said many times throughout the comments I would like a 2 cmc discard spell that doesnt have to be hymn.
I just had how bad wrench mind is in our worst match ups(R/G tron and Affinity)
There is a reason hymn is placed in the SB as the sb is for funcitonal reprints and not exact reprints.

I do like that card :)

And I love Bounce. Not sure if it qualifies but I would like to see Temporal Spring come back.
Currently trying to build a deck around it and I noticed it hasn't been reprinted.

That was some interesting information. Thank you for sharing it.

NP.

The parts that caught my eye the most was where he said they could take more risk and re-visit old planes from magic past, this mean we can get reprints from any of the old planes we visited.

The negative(or positive depending on the formats you prefer) is that cards will only be legal in standard for 18 months rather than 24. This means the cards that won't be seeing modern play will drop in value fast(better for casual players) but it may also make standard even more expensive than it already is.

I was never into the Standard anyways.

I used to be, but I personally enjoy Limited, Modern and Commander a ton more.
Commander is my casual side:P
I really like that the limited formats will be switching up more often that is super sweet.
It also means we will see less bulk planeswalkers like Jace, Memory adept etc.

"This would mean we'd have to solve the problem of what to do with new players, but there had already been talk of creating a product line solely for them, anyway."

If Mark makes something like Portal, or Portal Three Kingdoms...again, I will personally smack him in the face!!! That was a mistake! They weren't even allowed in Tourneys until like 5 years after they were made. They used different terms then regular Expansions. Hell, they didn't even have stuff like Instants. It confused people, if anything.

"That's when Erik made a bold proposal. What if we changed Standard so cards rotated out after 18 months, rather than 24?"

Do you know how many people that will buy 30 dollar cards...just to see them rotate out so quickly, that will be pissed off? People were already pissed enough to have to buy 500 dollar decks just to see them go down to 200 bucks after rotation...now that is going to happen even faster?

So no more...Urza Saga, Urza Legacy, Urza Destiny sort of deal?
Only 2?

And he didn't admit it...but with lasting so shortly...Khans pretty much is trash, just like Homelands.

And did they say no more Core Sets?
That is pretty damn lame there, my friend.
How are they going to reprint cards? In the main sets? If so...where will be room for new cards? If there are only 2 sets in each block...and some of the cards in the set have to be from the old Core cards....wtf? Sounds like half of each block will be reprints.

Where Magic is headed:
1) 30 dollar fetchlands,
2) Jace Mind Sculptor/Dark Confidant/ Tarmogoyf being so damned expensive and outrageously powerful
3) Addition of Pokemon Style Mythical rares...like Foils weren't expensive/special enough.
4) No Core Sets...guess we got to get all of the reprints in pricey sets, now? Like Modern Masters? Or no reprints at all? Or even worse...the reprints in New Expansions.
5) The hint of crap like Portal being redone
6) Cards being rotated out faster and faster and faster
7) Standard being even more expensive

....not sure where they are taking Magic...but doesn't seem like a good place...looks like a place where you need to keep your checkbook/wallet ready.

My favorite line of the article is this one:

"(I should note that this is the default and we reserve the right to have sets of different sizes if it serves the block.) Blocks will no longer have a third set."

Jesus, really?! You mean, Mark, if you guys realized you fucked up, you can change it back...lol.

Yeah, I got to admit that they made some changes with a rough hand, but we must wait, watch and hope for the best. What if things do not go that horribly wrong?
We'll see.

And he didn't admit it...but with lasting so shortly...Khans pretty much is trash, just like Homelands.
Can you explain this line? i don't understand what you mean by that.
Khans is a block that a lot of people are looking forward to filled wit ha ton of stuff we have asked for multiple times over the years.

Khans is the last 3 set block(unless they revert back to 3 set blocks eventually)

They said because the blocks are smaller they will be able to revisit planes more often meaning reprints will be easier to pull off.

"(I should note that this is the default and we reserve the right to have sets of different sizes if it serves the block.) Blocks will no longer have a third set."
^this is just stating that not all big sets will be the same size and not all small sets will be the same size...

"Khans is a block that a lot of people are looking forward to..."

Exactly, people have waited for years for it...and it seems it will be the odd man out, lasting much shorter in Standard...because they have to start the change somewhere, and it is with Khans. Seems like if it was highly waited for...it wouldn't end up being the 1st one to last 18 months. I shouldn't of said it was going to be crappy like Homelands :) I get overworked and rant.

"The reason is that the effects of the Two-Block Paradigm are going to impact how long Khans of Tarkir will be in Standard, and it was important to us that you understood these ramifications before you purchased the product."

IN other words...understand the expansion you wanted for so long will be short lived, and the more expensive cards will go down in value much quicker.

lol was going to say, i think the closest that we can get to homelands is "born of the gods" at least for a competitive card wise.
I think the last set in the khans block is staying in longer to balance the format( the last set is compeletly different than the 1st and 2nd, sorta like rise of the eldrazi was to zendikar block)

Being a modern player i like these changes. I really don't care about standard that much anymore(though i will play it until theros/khans rotates as i have a sweet BUG midrange deck atm.)
after all this change happens we will see a ton new cards, more abilities printed and cards will decrease in price faster.

Who knows maybe because standard legal cards will only be legal for a shorter amount of time the prices will have to be lower because less people will want to invest into the format.

Hey Jessie,
How does this sound reprint wise?:D

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/95740068403/core-sets-are-the-primary-vehicle-for-old-set-reprints#

If you only have 2 sets in an Expansion...and reprints has to be in those Expansions (and not in a Core Expansion)...sounds like a lot of your room is going to be used up with reprints.
I am probably looking at it wrong.

I would assume...if they are going to do 2 sets: The first one will be the "big" set of around 300 cards."The second one with be the "small" set of around 150 cards. So...every big set, again assuming, will be half reprint cards, right?

they don't HAVE to be from the same plane they were in unless they name a certain hero or location from that plane.
Example:
Thoughtseize was a card printed in Lorywn and it got reprinted on the plane theros...
They don't HAVE to be on the same plane as the original, they just have to make sense.

They also mean they can print more powerful cards in standard because they wont be in play as long which is really good to hear for modern players like myself :D.

There won't be more reprints, they will just reprint better cards.

But where will they be printed at?
The two sets?

How it works is if they deem it too strong for a format they print it in side product.

If its fine in all formats they reprint it in standard
If its fine for modern/legacy they reprint it in modern masters
If its too powerful for standard/modern they print it in commander, planechase, or any other misc product as the new cards are only legacy/vintage legal.

As I have seen several people say...and as your post suggests...be ready with your checkbook.
All these different expansions/products to get what you could of got in a Core Set.
More and more and more side products?! Cash cow!

That is the number one complaint I have seen, when looking up people's opinion on the new change...be ready for Magic the Gathering to cost you even more to be competitive.

And not only be ready to spend more, especially in Standard...but be ready for those 400 dollar decks to cycle down to 100 dollars 6 months quicker.

I see what they are trying to do...make it more competitive, make it new, refreshed, interesting, etc etc etc...just not sure making Mtg more expensive to play is the answer.

And...for what it is worth, EVERY single person that has liked the change says this:
1) I think it is better for the Story of Magic. The Story won't seem so forced.
2) I think it will be more competitive with the change.

Well...no, it won't be competitive if they print much less reprints...but the few reprints they do print will be much more powerful. All that will mean is that the powerful reprints will be played by EVERYONE and they will be expensive. That doesn't sound like it will be more competitive....if anything, it will bottleneck into people having to run cards. That is the same flaw in Fetchlands.

And story of Magic? Really?! What are people expecting? Lord of the Rings quality? Chronicles of Narnia quality? I mean...come on guys, this isn't Neil Gaiman work we are talking about here! The stories are nice and all...but I would throw away all of the stories if it ensured better Card Play. If I want to read literature, I will go look at the true experts/classics/stories. If I want subpare writing/stories, I will go look at Dungeon and Dragons story lines and Mtg story lines.

Going to email Mark Rosewater and ask him for an allowance, so I can afford the new changes he is bringing about.

how are side products cash cows? if you dont want them or cards in then dont buy them...

2 If you're competitive in standard and play it as your main format it isn't hard to not ever lose value in your cards before rotation, I just trade the ones that are going to rotate 2-3 months before rotation at full value.
Yet again if you don't play standard this doesn't effect you.

I love that the story won't feel as forced:
1: this is amazing because they said if there is a huge event they can just make a 4 block story(2 two set blocks)

2: It will be make magic more competitive as they can print better cards as they won't be legal longer and it will open up a bigger variety of decks as there will be more keywords etc legal at one time.
They also said they will keep the number of planeswalkers in a year about the same so you can expect around 10 a year or 5 per block.

You do realise not all cards that get reprinted are expensive right? some cards are good and they aren't expensive,
I am fine spending 20-30 dollars on a fetchland, just not 40-80-_-.
Also more no reprints, we really shouldn't be complaining about them...

I would never throw away the stories, sure some of them are a bit off. but i read all of Invasion block(phyrexian wars) and scars block and they were amazing. Alot of the planeswalker lore and origin stories are great and i really like a lot of things that are going on in the multiverse atm.
I really didn't like:
Lorwyn/Shawdowmoor
or
Kamigawa

but I have been a huge fan of:
Any story with phyrexians.
Dack's graphic novels
Innistrad block
theros was decent, nothing great.
I am actually super stoked for tarkir as there was a ton of things that went on earlier in the lore and there may be a huge thing with the planeswalker spirit dragon Ugin.

Jessie, you need to accept that Magic is an expensive game outside of shitty casual play. It always has and it always win. Without cards being expensive, wizards would die.

I think shitty casual play is what Magic should be about!

Idea is to...after a long day of working...gathering up with a few friends. Drink a few beers...and have fun playing Magic together.
It shouldn't be all about trying to make a Career winning Magic Tourneys.

There is something to be said about a game not being a game. I am sure, Richard Garfield (the inventor) might agree.
Or there is something to be said about a game costing thousands of dollars to enjoy.

This is a sincere question...can not Magic be fun, relaxing, enjoying, without having to make a Tourney Worthy deck? Is Mtg shitty if you aren't willing to spend thousands of dollars?

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Richard Garfield: "I guess I never expected people to take it so seriously. I've always tried to bring science to the games I play, but I never expected it to be taken so far. In Magic, players now analyze percentages for various land mixes and use almost scientific approaches to sideboarding. It's all gone far beyond where I expected it to go."

Umm...because it is a GAME! Was designed and meant to be Casual!

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Mark Rosewater asked Richard Garfield what he thought of Players playing Magic to make a living: "That's a scary thought."

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One more quote...because Mark Rosewater is very thick in the head.

MR: Where should Magic go from here?

RG: There are all sorts of ways Magic can go, but I'm not sure it needs to go any further than the parameters laid down by Portal, the expansion-level complexity, and Unglued.

to be fair Jessie, mankind isn't casual by nature. for the most part we crave conflict, we like a challenge and we like to assert dominance when we can. I'm not saying we are all like this, but I for one am very competitive.
Based on the above you would sell a ton more product targeting the competitive market rather than the casual.

When I am at my friends having a few drinks and playing magic we are either palying commander, or drafting Cube/a random set.

the game doesn't cost 1000s of dollars to enjoy, it costs whatever you are willing to pay.
If I feel like drafting I will go to my LGS on a friday and do a 10$ draft.
If I want to do sealed preleases I will pay 35$ per pool.
If I want to play modern I will pay 200-2000$ to make a deck.
The beauty of it is, if you don't want to play those formats you don't have to pay.

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Richard Garfield: "I guess I never expected people to take it so seriously. I've always tried to bring science to the games I play, but I never expected it to be taken so far. In Magic, players now analyze percentages for various land mixes and use almost scientific approaches to sideboarding. It's all gone far beyond where I expected it to go."

if the game kept going the casual route it would have never taken off how it has today, magic is at an all time high of people playing/buying product and this number is only increasing.

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Mark rosewater is also a casual player, he loves unhinged and all things casual. He still supports the way mtg is growing.

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see the constant expanding and complexity of magic is actually what draws a lot of players in, magic the gathering sites have the absolute most traffic during spoiler season.



In the end it comes down to the fact that you don't have to buy anything that you don't want to.
We all prefer different formats, different deck styles and have soft spots for different cards.
But in the end we all love this game, thats why we put up with all the bullshit:P

Very well said, friend :)

I think that is part of my hate with it being so expensive. Just like Variable...i don't have the money like you do, to spend.

I remember...back in highschool...the smartest guy I knew, in our group, tried to pick up the game and play with us. The thing was...regardless of how brilliant he was...he was very, very poor. He had to, basically, play with the trash cards that we donated to him. So, here we were, winning against him ONLY because we had expensive cards.

It was sad and embarrassing. Here he was, Brilliant! But losing every single game. He finally, one night...in aggravation...got mad and walked out on all of us. He said, "Fuck it, I can't afford to win. I can't afford the same cards you can!"

To this day...12 years later...it still upsets me to think about that night. He was abso-fucking-lutely right. The ONLY REASON he was losing was because he was poor. That is fucked up. Losing a game because you are poor. Because that is what poor people need, to be reminded that you are poor while playing a freaking Game.

So yes, even Casual games are marred by money.

I think...if i ever get a team of people to play Casual together....we/I will make it MANDATORY to proxy cards. You can't have real cards. They all have to be copied using a printer. That way it is fair.

see legacy is a growing thing in my city, its pretty small right now because its so expensive.
But they allow 20 proxies(enough to cover the most expensive cards) and the prizes is money toward buying the paper copies(or store credit for only legacy cards)
There are also people there who have multiple decks that are competitive and they lend them out to people who want to play the format.
If every format was like this I feel it would be a lot more friendly to the less fortunate.
I know you can rent cards from bigger stores, but I don't know how much it costs and if its a fraction of the cards value or just per card.

I like that idea :)

with my group we allow proxies and I let them play my decks sometimes 1 guy in our group only has 2 decks 1 edh and 1 60 card and he loses a lot so I give him my really good multiplayer decks once in awhile so he can win

it would still be broken if it could produce 3 mana for 0.
I mean all the lotus cards are good...

with the changes to standard maybe we will get some more cards that are easily broken since they wont be in standard as long

to be fair I posted the tutors in the sideboard which is the "functional reprint" section, meaning I know they're too powerful as they are now and could use some work.
Jace I listed in the "Reprinted as a legacy legal card only meaning random sideproduct like commander or what not to just drop his price.
I know hes too strong for standard and I know they wont un ban him in modern.
I am at least placing them where I don't feel they will be too broken.

Yes, granted, some of these cards are actually good and not just unfairly broken. In fact, most of these cards should be reprinted, and maybe Wizards wants them to be, but just haven't found a good set to reprint them in.

Well I'm sure now that they have modern masters as a tool box(expensive though) thy will start phasing in the cards that are too strong for standard but should fit right into modern.

Also Mark Rosewater has stated because standard is shorter with the new block structure they should be able to print stronger cards into standard

Well that's good news about Mark Rosewater, I reminisce about the days where I could play Khalni Hydra and Emrakul and Jin Gitaxias if I wanted too in one deck. You are correct about modern masters. And yes, expensive.

fun fact 2 of the 3 eldrazi left zendikar, and are missing in action(they can travel plane to plane:P) so we will see them again soon.

ooOOOooo, which ones?

Kozilek and Emrakul

Almost models Phyrexians in a way

That's gonna be interesting

Well not exactly, phyrexians need planar portals to travel planes(or they need necrogen on a planeswalker while they do)
Eldrazi can just leave planes whenever.

Still modeling in the sense of leaving a plane

http://cdn.escapistmagazine.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/794/794137.png Windswept
http://cdn.escapistmagazine.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/794/794139.png Wooded
http://cdn.escapistmagazine.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/794/794135.png Delta
http://cdn.escapistmagazine.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/794/794145.png Strand
http://cdn.escapistmagazine.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/794/794131.png Mire

I am super fucking stoked, All 10 fetches will now be legal in modern.

okay I just got a ladyboner, but keep in mind those could be faked

It was annoced at pax...

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137164-Khans-of-Tarkir-Will-Reprint-Fetch-Lands-From-Onslaught

http://slagethor.tumblr.com/post/96244802014/socialmtg-if-anyone-wants-to-watch-the-reveal

Hopefully this drops the price of the Zendikar fetches?

these are the onslaught ones, but they said a long while back that now they dont print 5 card cycles of lands so we will get the zendikar fetches in the 2nd or 3rd set.

It is expensive, isn't it!

They will NEVER cycle out of modern and yes they see a decent amount of play in modern Goblins or burn decks/any varient of RDW and even sometimes Jund(though rare).
They aren't being played in legacy.

A big part of their price is the set that they were printed in, Fetches and other modern staples(even some EDH staples)
Look up the price of a zendikar booster pack, it will show you why not many of them get bought keeping the number of goblin guides in the public lower than it would be if they were just sold at a normal price.

My friend quit playing Magic. He mainly collected M15, Worldwake, and Zendikar.
I literally have thousands of Zendikar cards!! Probably most of them EXCEPT the Fetchlands.

You see...he gave me his entire collection. Said he was spending too much money on it. Almost like an addiction, said if he had them out of the house he wouldn't keep spending money on it. He had a Goblin deck, that had 4 Elemental Appeal, 4 Goblin Guides, 4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, 4 Dragonmaster Outcast, 4 Goblin Bushwhacker, 4 Burst Lightning, and 2 or 3 Chain Reaction(s). The deck sucked, if you ask me. Apparently it was his pride and joy. I have to guess, he almost assuredly had Fetchlands and sold them dirt cheap...not knowing what he had. I mean, the shear volume of Zendikar cards that I have...has to mean he had to of opened a few packs that had Fetchlands.

I had NO idea Zendikar cards were considered so rare/uncommon.

So...what is your suggestions about their price? Is they sky the limit? Or are they at a peak?

I feel they are more or less at their peak as the zendikar fetches will be reprinted in the 3rd set in khans block.
And wizards is really pushing for modern so im sure they will reprint other staples etc.
Not many cards are worth too much but their are a few that are worth a decent amount, which is better than a lot of sets after they leave standard:P

I do know they went from 6 to 25 dollars.
But yeah, if they reprint Goblin Guide...the Zendikar ones will drop in price.
Not sure when to sale them.

normally the original copies retain some of their value, so if goblin guide is ever in standard again the standard one would be around 5-10$ and the zendikar one would be 20$ish. Sorta like the shocks etc.
I mean Mutavault used to be a 40$ card:P
well goblin guide may be safe for a bit as it seems like they really dumbed down the power level of khans (so far)