atraxa's superfriends

primal vigor seems bad to me, i thought about both tamiyo versions i own the old 1 but i still dont think it makes the cut here. jace i really thought about but idk what id cut for him

Personally I think Tamiyo, Field Researcher is really good since if you have a Doubling Season in play you can activate her ultimate right away to get a permanent Omniscience and draw 3 cards.

Jace, Unraveler of Secrets's ult is really good too.

all 3 are good but what to drop? i did think of all 3 of them while putting this together i can't drop anything that gives creature tokens as a + or 0 ability or anything that helps planeswalkers or searches for them

Primal Vigor is useful no doubt, but it can easily hurt you if too many other people in the game use tokens or counters. Its ultimately up to the user based on their playgroup/meta.

Ashiok is preference here really. I think the deck is fine without her.

The new Tamiyo is undoubtedly the better of the two here. You really should find a slot for her. Key thing to note is that her ability doesnt target only your stuff. you can target someone else's creature and even if they don't attack you, they can still net you a card.

Jace UoS isnt bad really, bu that one's up the the owner. I personally don't think he needs to be in here.


That aside, you need some good protection in here. Since you run the oaths and a few other good enchantments in here, might I suggest Dissipation Field, Lightmine Field, and things such as Sphere of Safety, which capitalize on you having the oaths in play?

helo dragnkeranes, im sori to informe you,m but the card "disspation fielde" is g+00s and all, but it not work on planewalkeres, however lightminefield is good :)), i perssonnely recomend orzhov advokeist from ne w comander set, is pretty g+00ds card:)

Not everyone will target the PWs, which is why I suggested it. Plus there's that rare chance you don't have any walkers out but you do have field out. While advokist is cool, all you have to do is not take the counters and you can be attacked just like normal. In a super friends deck that's not exactly a boon since all you're doing is giving people bigger sticks to beat you with in the future. Also, please don't butcher our screen names. We don't do it to yours and I KNOW you can spell correctly when you want to

I like this feedback. I've been working on my own Atraxa list and these look like things I'll have to consider, though mine runs a more enchantments, which is why I suggested Sphere of Safety in tandem with the Oaths. I wish mine was farther along but I haven't had much free time to look into it

Dude, Disk is MVP in this deck since it kills everything except lands and PLANESWALKERS!!! The other stuff is unimportant, clear the board and keep on growing your Bradywalker Farm!

well, ig ues htat haveing oplanewalekrs on board and enemy have notinh is pretty go0s, but if you going with that strategt i thinker land destruction is pretty gios tehre, i meane what could be better than haveing many planewalkers and then creatures and then lands? unforutnalye not have color re,d they have op cards like jokuluhps, white has onli stuf like cataclysma nd armagerdon and catrophe;))))))))

...no, disk is strictly better than any use of land destruction you suggested. Most EDH decks consist of artifacts, creatures, and/or enchantments in some way, so since 90% (I'm being incredibly generous with that) of the decks strategy falls into that spectrum of permanents, it is better. Not to mention the fact that once it's out, it only takes 1 mana to pop. You drop disk and I'll be damned if you don't get the attention of everyone else at the table immediately.

well i meaned that if oyu heaf much planewalekrs on boards, you wipe lands and creatures iwth cacatlcyms , which then cripples everyone esle while you sit with 4 placenwalkers, but lik e i sid, not s0 good without red where ytou have jokulhapus and other cards lik it, which are op

I'll say it one last time: land destruction is not better here. Jokulhaups isn't even the best land destruction spell honestly. It may hit a lot yeah, but hitting land hurts you as well. Kinda hard to cast new walkers without your land. Cataclysm is also not worth adding because it's not a true board wipe. It doesn't remove ALL the problems, just most of them. Now please quit bringing up red in a deck that can't use it and forget the land destruction vs disk argument because you're not convincing anyone

like i say, i m not think you undestan jokuhaup, you heff planewalker on board, you jokulhups, no1 elese has hanyth, you have planewalke, lik , do u evn understang how g+00d tht is?

Why not just say fuck it and just cast Worldfire then? That'll fix everyone! In a deck that doesn't use red. For fucks sake you aren't THAT stupid. Do you have like this completely obscene fear of manlands or what? Pop Nevvy's Disk and I still have walkers AND LAND. No red, period. End of discussion.

Actually Cataclysm kills off all planeswalkers, so no.

I have to say, though, that Jokulhaups would seal off the game perfectly if you have a few Planeswalkers out. You don't need to cast new planeswalkers if you can use the ones you have every turn and your opponent can't cast anything either, then it shouldn't be hard to win. You'll probably be able to use an ultimate before the opponent has recovered. But it's not worth arguing about it since we simply cannot add any red spells.

Still, Disk is the top choice.

oh dang caylyms is shit lol, im retarded, but yh disk is allright, i jus think is unfortunate all u're oath and stuf go away

Don't argue with the guy who says serum visions is better than preordain...

oh and yes drakeraenes, i don ding u ar stuppdi, worlfire kills ur planewalerks, jolulhuaps and obliterate etc leav u r planewalkre, like srs, who u thing gona win, perosn with planewalkers and nothjing, vs people who have onthing, and no1 probayly has many card sin hanbd, indlcuding lands, like do u even use logic?

...I was being facetious but you clearly don't seem to realize that. And really, that again? Thought we established that we were talking modern when someone hijacked the thread and tried to say I was talking legacy. FFS I feel like there's only six people on this site that aren't complete asshats over stupid shit like this and that

I feel like there are only six people active on this dead site.

You could be #7, though :) Just join in!
At first, not a single reply in 2017 on any of the decks I was commenting in. And then the first guy asked for help in Vaulthelp and all of a sudden some more people got active and new requests for help were posted. Trafffic generates traffic! Whereas, when everybody is waiting for others to post in order to post themselves - then, yes, the site will be dead!

Agreed. I try and check the new page and active page at least twice a day if I can and offer help if needed

i personally like deny existence it exiles and there are lots of cards i dont want to see in a graveyard

why notej ply graveyard hate then:)?

Gilder Bairn is fantastic if you can consistently tap him for his untap ability. Normally I'd recommend the combo I made infamous that infinitely does just that but it's much harder to assemble in EDH so there's no reason to. Still a good potential include though. I also agree with Clockspinning because that buyback is super useful value.Deepglow Skate NEEDS to be in here. As a later drop, it's just dirty. Add in the fact that you can consistently blink him with Venser and Brago and we're talking ridiculous amounts of counters a turn on all your stuff. And yeah Crawlspace would also be a good idea if you're ever needing a throttle for more aggressive creature based decks

ive built this with cards i already own and i dont want to spend atm but i do like rings of brighthearth and rhystic study. i like ob nixilis of the black oath the tokens he generates are probably the biggest creatures in this deck

So what if it's not original? It's a good deck.

Sheesh. Most people around here thought that "You didn't even attack" deck on front page was original.

I've seen several like it. There aren't much in the way of original decks anymore, not unless they use stuff based around a new or obscure mechanic. You can make small adjustments, but there's rarely anything new these days. Magic needs a boost badly in the new deck department

Won't happen. Most players are lazy and Wizards knows that. That's why they emphasize so much on block mechancis, tribes, guilds and so on. The decks more or less build themselves and the crowd is happy with that. That's on top of netdecking of course, which will always be the main reason why everything looks stagnant. But at least, 15 years ago, the decks that were netdecked grew organically.

I try constantly to build in a different mold. That's why my WU control deck builds around Myth Realized and why my 8 Rack deck doesn't focus on Ensnaring Bridge but instead on Waste Not. The shell is similar, but I gut and modify it to make it mine as much as possible. And I personally hate netdecking. I refuse to do it.

There's unoriginal, but Atraxa is so overly popular that I can't help but groan every time I see a list. Like, there are so many god damn deck lists online now that it almost makes me wonder "why even bother making lists for her anymore?" Hell, I made an Atraxa list on here for my friend when she first got spoiled since he already had bant superfriends. It just kind of baffles me that after all this time these deck lists are still getting attention as if it were some new unique thing.

i was going to use gideon but i dont own a copy and im not going to buy him at his standard price. ill stick with nahiri for now she makes me chump blockers to protect my walkers and the ultimate making an indestructible equip with +5/+5 and double strike is nice

in 2 games now nahiri ultimate won me the game putting that equip on atraxa

and the equip is a token that doubling season will double also

That's nasty but oh so delicious

Everyone? I am SICK of reprints! The market is flooded with reprints, the average card is worth 10 cents (including rares), that's a joke! We get a Commander set (most reprints), a Conspiracy set (many reprints), an XXX Masters set (only reprints) EVERY YEAR! On top of that From the Vault shenanigans, Duell Decks, Expeditions and all kind of other things!
And yes, while the spoilers like Tarmogoyf won't even drop in price, about everything else takes a dive! You think that's great? Maybe when you just started collecting. But if you have a collection, you are basically forced to sell your more expensive stuff as long as you can since the qustion isn't "if" they are going to reprint, the question is just "when".
I payed money to get a lot of them, directly or indirectly. I did not do that as an investment, but in a lot of cases I would not have done the purchase if I wasn't assured that I will get amount the same money back in case of an emergency or when I am sick of the card and want something else. But currently, with all those reprints going on? I'd be a fool to buy any card above 5 bucks because in a couple of months it'll get reprinted somewhere and I lost half of that money. It's already pointless to buy boosters, which is a shame, because opening booster packs is one of the greatest things about Magic. But now collecting has become a nightmare, too. Instead of openening packs and using the cards to trade for what I want I am now busy selling everything that rises above a certain value (and isn't on the no reprint list) and buying them again when they are reprinted, JUST TO PREVENT MY COLLECTION FROM GETTING DEVALUED EACH DAY, it's like a chore, maintenance. Disgusting!

See, I don't mind the occasional reprint if it's done properly, like within a core set as the did back then, with white border and all, but these days all cards have black borders and they reprint hundreds of cards, not just the ones that tournament players desperately need. See, Wasteland is a card that is absolutely essential to Legacy, Vintage and Commander. It used to be an uncommon. Same is true for Force of Will. So what do they do? Repringt both as RARES in Eternal Masters, alongside with 200+ other cards that are still in good supply. You'll get a FoW or Wasteland in abot every second display. That means, in order to equip a single player with a playset of Wastelands, no less than 8 displays of Eternal Masters have to be openend! And that means a shitload of other uncommons and rares that are poured out. Cards like Kird Ape or Nature's Claim will never revove from this. Or let's take Counterspell and Swords to Plowshares, how many fricking times can you reprint something without totally destroying any value these cards might have?

And if you still think "well, where is the problem when most cards are cheap? Do you like spending money or what?". Well, I like playing Magic, and aside from my collection losing value every day, there IS a reason, why even new players should see this sceptical: What we experience is a massive inflation. Oversaturating the markt with almost everything except the truly best cards (that remain expensive) is a surefire way to kill the entire game. You absolutely need to balance your reprints and make sure cards hold a certain value, otherwise collectors give up, dump their collections on Ebay or similar places and the entire thing collapses like a card house!
And we are on the bring of that. You don't notice that, but when you notice, it'll be too late.

See what would be nice would a new style of booster that could potentially be a fix to that. Take a few cards that you WANT to reprint, and a few cards that are so expensive that a reprint would be nice, and make a set out of those cards only. No fluff, no unnecessary extra padding, just those cards. Make them a small set, like fifty-ish cards in boosters of 3, and sell them for $10 a pack. It's less fluff to deal with, you would 'always' get something that's decent, and it wouldn't hurt the market that much. Also, I really do like the idea of bringing back the white border. Some people (myself included) like the white border cards because I can get a reprinted card for cheap, but the original black border card doesn't lose its value as much because of a reprint. There HAS to be a compromise for this, and WotC NEEDS to find it, otherwise Magic is going to fall out of favor with its long term players.

They are already doing this! It's called "From the Vault"!

Yes, I never understood why they abadoned white borders and the basic set. I think the problem was like this:
Sales of the basic set declined because most players had the cards already and didn't like white borders. However, at that time the basic set was virtually the only set that had reprints and they rarely reprinted anything worthwhile. Then they did 2 things at once: Remove mix reorints with new cards and abandon white borders. Also, this time they reprinted stuff that players actually wannt. It was instant success, yay, black bordered BoPs and Serras and stuff! But after 5 more of these sets and especially after printing all those other reprint sets and other new blackborder products with reprints, that basic set was once more not popular enough.

They should have kept the rotating basic set with white borders and should just have rerinted more interesting cards for that set (and maybe rotate more cards each time).

I remember when cards like Ball Lightning were reprinted. Prices dropped at first of course but prices for the origanal black bordered The Dark one recovered because there are always players that want the black bordered stuff. Look at Blood Moon, there is at least 10€ difference between the black bordered versions and the white bordered reprints. Everyone is happy. But now? There is almost no difference in price between an Exploration from Conspiracy and Urza's Saga. Or take a card like Solemn Simulacrum. It's a card where I agree that it deserves a reprint, but they did so 5 fucking times (not counting Kaladesh Invention) and all of them, including the original, are now down to 2€.

It might even come the day where people are seeking for white border versions because that's so uncommon ...

I can see that myself. Like I own a set of white border Fastbond (which isn't legal in anything besides a one of in vintage, and for good reason) because it was literally a margin of $50+ difference. FTV is cool and all, but I don't honestly like it that much. And yeah, I really wish they would tone down on the reprints of really good stuff to no more than one every say two years. That would help keep them at a decent collectors price without gouging the market so much I think.

And I also don't mind much reprinting them as inventions/expeditions. I mean, yes, it's a cheap money grab, but at least it doesn't crash prices of the originals and they are cards that aren't Type II legal anyway, so nobody is forced to buy displays just to keep up in Standard. And as long as that helps to sell new sets and thus keep Magic alive, so be it.
But as it is, Wizards is reprinting left and right, directly influencing the secondary market. They are literally printing money by now.

lol@ from the vault, xD, darkeraeneses's sugestion of new type of boster is way difrent form from the valut, since there is always g00s cards, wheras from the valut, lik, have u seen the nevest one?= from the valut lore, has like 2 expensive cards, dark deps adn jite, and jite wasne ven that expensive, rest of the cards are 10 cent, drakeraneses's's sugestion is waty beter than that lmao, also fom the valut not even have manty cards

Yeah the Masterpiece sets they plan to do with each new set are a nice way to spice up a deck with something fancy and not crash the base price, but its literally just printing money like you said. If they would stop all these reprint heavy sets it would greatly benefit the sales of other products. I love the Conspiracy sets because it's a draft focused set that also gives legacy some fun toys, but when you have things like Eternal Masters competing with it at roughly the same timeframe then you're literally driving a wedge in your buyers. Not everyone can afford to drop money on a box every month like that, and it really hurts. I would say that the Masterpiece sets are really close to what I was suggesting for a booster set, with the big difference being how fucking rare they are. I got stupid lucky and pulled a Mind's Eye in my literal first pack of Kaladesh from the box I ordered, but not everyone gets that fortunate. That's why I suggested a booster vs a rare as fuck pull in a set booster. And mtgblackman is right, not all FTV cards are worth it. Most are just fancy updates to the frame and artwork, nothing more. Makes the set literally "I'm buying this for like two cards and the rest are just trade fodder for later" sets, and I don't like that at all.

Well, that's basic business school, of course they'll always mix desireable cards with others you don't really need, so they can spare other money cards for other reprint sets. But it is a small all-reprint-set without any associated rules or format or anything else, just what you asked for.

Another great example would be Sol Ring - it was reprinted in every single Commander set and in every single deck! The number of Sol Rings in existance is ridiculous now. I just checked MKM - it has a combined volume of more than 12.000 Sol Rings available just from the Commander sets! Prices are down to about 70 cent ... and it's one of the most powerful cards ever printed. It's actually on the powerlevel of Black Lotus, the only difference being that people didn't understand that right away and that it was still included in Revised. Since it was in Revised, it was also in many foreign language releases - and even though it was put on the Vintage restricted list, proving it's VERY powerful, it is deemed "just an uncommon" and safe to reprint in Commander. Which probably means, if Black Lotus was rare and Sol Ring uncommon in Alpha/Beta/Unlimited, then roles were probably reversed.

Yup. Was just thinking about that the other day, along with the fact that sol ring is so often seen in EDH decks that it's almost taboo to not include it it seems. Like I don't have it in either of my irl EDH decks because I don't want to waste a slot that could be better devoted to something else than an artifact that only gives me one extra colorless mana. But yeah that's a perfect example of just how badly too many reprints can severely impact a powerful cards price. Oversaturating the pool like that only hurts more in the long run, which is clear from the data you posted on sol ring.

By the way, I'm not taking a pop shot at this deck because it also has a sol ring in it. It's to each their own on what to add, so if you feel the need, put it in there.

i agree sol ring has been over printed and nevinyrrals disk has also

You know what else has seen to many reprints? Basic fucking lands! Like, I don't need a 40 pack of land every time I buy a damn box! I can't tell you how many extra basic land I've just straight up pitched because I had so many and they took up space! Sarcasm aside, they really do print too much basic land.

Casual players mainly use basic land. They might use others for enhancement, but the land base is mainly basic lands. If a casual player wants multiple types of decks, it's pretty easy to run out of the type you need, even if it seems like you have a lot. Other lands often seem to be much more expensive, so having lots of basic land, which make up most casual players' mana bases, as well as often having multiples in more competitive decks, makes perfect sense.

I think that's hard to balance. Back in the days there were basic lands in boosters, sometimes they even replaced uncommons. After a while, people complained about being able to decorate christmas trees with extra basic lands, so they removed them from boosters and the only way to get them was starter decks (which were a thing back then). Some years later supply had dried out and the first players complained about not getting enough basics. Yeah, they could always asked other players but these didn't have 3 or 4 decks anymore, they had 20 or 30 and needed basic lands for their single library and for playing sealed deck and draft etc. So they put the basic lands back into booster packs, this time as an extra, and made sure they had different pictures each time or full art or were gates or snowcovered or what the heck. And now it's too much again?

In the end there is too much of most cards except for mythic and a few rares. Roughly every second display is opened by dealers, retailers and shops these days. They open like 100 boxes just to get enough of the rares and mythics (in fact just the money cards) and everything else is dumped for a few cents. Well, they try to dump them for a few cents but let's face it - they'll always have hundreds of excess commons, uncommons and even rares that they'll never sell. I really don't want to know how many trees died just so that Wizards can print 15 cards of which only one ever matters.

Yeah is pretty sad thinking about how much gets wasted overall for only a few good cards

if u mean vorel of the hull clade he won't work with planeswalkers

I did and ah ok, ma bad nube speaking with the helpful addition of predicted text,

Ouch. That's rough

Wow. Did he scoop as soon as you popped her ult?

i played 3 more planeswalkers 1st lol

Savagery! Lol