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glad i could help
p.s. stormtide is one of my fav and most nostalgic cards

glad i could help

i have a relentless rats edh with this general, and i can tell you this much, this deck will never work as is. black has the best search cards in the game and this deck has none of them. i ran 28 rats, since that's how many my card store had to buy, and statistically i SHOULD hit a rat within every 4 cards, and never has it not popped off twice in a row, so 2 rats in hand is all u need once the stone is out, or buff up to 40 rats so 1 is all u need.

but please put Diabolic Tutor, Increasing Ambition, Rune-Scarred Demon, or if u got money, Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor.

there's also a lot of good draw like, Baneful Force, Bloodgift Demon and Phyrexian Arena which all draw u an extra card at the cost of 1 life, or Staff of Nin which comes with damage, or Smothering Abomination to sac'ing tokens and synergizing with the general. Indulgent tormentor and Gravestorm provide ways to pressure ur enemies until they are forced to allow u to draw cards. and if u don't mind ur opponents drawing cards there is Howling Mine, Font of Mythos, Temple Bell, and Seizan, Perverter of Truth.


also the MOST IMPORTANT THING Bone Harvest(although not as good) and the amazing twin-cards Gravepurge and Footbottom Feast which will put ur entire army back on top ur deck if someone sweeps the board, then the cards draw u a rat and u play them all over again, i say Bone Harvest is weaker since u only draw a card at the next upkeep but it is and instant so doing at their end step is still just as good

lastly, lands that produce vast amounts of black mana, they can be expensive but try proxying them against some friends for 10 games and you'll be saving pennies just to bag these the second u spot them at the store, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is awesome. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth works great with Cabal Coffers. Crypt of Agadeem if u end up with more creatures other than relentless. Thespian's Stage and Vesuva can become copies of the Coffers and offer even more mana. Desserted Temple is great to untap any of ur multi-mana lands and if u and the pricey Crucible of Worlds u can add Lotus Vale and Scorched Ruins as well


i really hope that this helps, the rats are a fun deck, but they don't hold there own without the stone and u can wait 80 turns for the stone to show up. good luck, godspeed, n let the force be with u

u could focus on high toughness creatures and equipement, and throw down some sweeped dmg, killing tokens and most winnies decks (not sure wuts prevalent in ur playgroup?)

u realize u get 9 counters on ur centaur not 6 if u use both of give//take's halves on him right? both have target him as separate spells if i'm not mistaken (u can ask on Draw3Cards.com if u want), and subsequently would then draw 9 cards

street wraith, for free cycling. and the lotus petal's are not needed really u wanna kill someone before u get a mainphase, yeah it could be useful if the games lasts a couple of turns, but it wasn't in the deck i saw, i wish i could remember all of it

how bout, instead of another "no lands" deck, why not an "all lands" deck?

between the gates in new ravnica, and the duderanches in the worldwake it's totally possible
get some "Terrain Generator"s in there maybe

there's a 4 card combo to kill ur opponent on his 1st upkeep, if u go 2nd
-Gemstone Cavern comes into play with a luck counter, tap it for Blue
-exile either Elvish Spirit Guide or Simian Spirit Guide from ur hand for another mana
-then play Flash to put Protean Hulk into play, but u don't have the extra mana to keep him, he dies and his ability triggers
-now u simply have to fetch enough cards to kill them, with 4 copies of Disciple of the Vault, and as many X cost artifact-creatures as u can find, then bam! the Xcost creatures die and trigger the Disciples' abilities, and they lose 4x life for each dying artifact-creature, u only need 5 copies of either Phyrexian Marauder or Shifting Wall (6 copies if a Disciple was already in ur hand)
actually was scarily viable as a deck, a bit of a novelty though

the point of decks like this is that they are so fast that it's almost like a coin toss, 50% of the time u kill them in under 5 turns, and 40% of the time u draw shit and get owned, the last 10% u manage to hold out long enough to pop off at the last second

i did a black-artifact storm deck that got turn 1 kills about 1/7
once got a chain going so hard on the first turn that i ran through my whole deck 3 times and sucked out enough life with Tendrils of Agony to have killed over a dozen people. the deck sure as fuck ain't lagacy legal, but that doesn't matter for my play goup. It's meant for 8+ player games of re-spawn magic

that's 15 seconds of my life waiting for this page to load, and 10 seconds writing this, that i WILL get back. ima hunt u down and get those seconds back from u so help me god i will rip that time from ur cold dead fingers!

u do have to sac for the copy, its and addition cost, not part of the mana cost

in a tournament, yes, in original magic, no

never said it was tournament legal, may add more later to make it so.

friends of mine and i r working on decks themed after countries

-Russian Roullette: is an aggro red coinflip deck

-The Beast in the Middle East: is gonna be a suicide bomber deck(no offence meant to any muslism and/or radical extremists)

-Team America: is gonna be RWU with red as the army, white as the airforce, blue as the navy, and the multicoloured cards will be special ops and shit, plus it has a sick RWU tac-nuke combo(Barren Glory, Venser the Sojourner's +2 ability, and Appocalypse)

-The Peace Keeper: is a Canadian inspired deck that sits back and lets everyone else do the fighting, while u smite and strengthen all sides(meant for multiplayer, and although it doesnt win too often, it makes things so much more fun)

so if u can think of a country, build it, and send me the link pls, i'd be super down to order the cards for it and play it against my friends

got that

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=185342

and this one i do own(mostly the rest is on my next card order)

most of mine on this site r theoretical too, i have too many ideas and this place lets me invision them, then i print that shit on magiccards.info and test shit out before i go wasting my money on a deck that doesn't pull right

im glad to see im not the only one, but, Grapplehanger, i don't care about how much a deck costs, so long as it works the way it should(hence the testing prior)

my friend made the best snake deck, using Lorescale Coatl as its beast, tons of draw power, lots of control lots of flying, vigilance and shroud, tuff as nails and once he thru in Reminisce he no longer had to worry about decking himself, which was originally a big problem

if u have carrion feeder and grave pact, put reasembling skeleton in here, its not a zombie persay, but it fits soooo well with those cards

nice
i love this theme, u really put a LOT of time into this one, i'd love that full list actually

add me on here so i can know if u add any more decks, i figure i'll probably like them too, or at least be able to get a kick out of it, lolz

u should check out some of my decks if u get the chance, they have some sick themes

i love myrs, especially lodestone

why 4 urza's mines and powerplants but not 1 tower?, i suggesteither put in 4 instead of the vesuva, or put in 3 and take out 1 mine, 1 power plant and 1 vesuva