Ka-boom

I thought about it, I'll have to do more tests to see if it's really worth it, or just a flashy "win-moar" kinda thing.

Thats precisely why I like it. Izzet is all about flash and style IMO...just my point of view though.

I do need to find something to take out in place of Past in Flames though...

Id be inclined to ditch Epic Experiment. Its fun, but not altogether effective unless you can use it to mill yourself and win via Lab Maniac.

Nah, no way am I ditching Epic Ex. That card wins me the game, flat out. It's hilarious.

I was actually think the same with Omniscience. I first read it as "spells you play are free", forgetting the 'from your hand' part.

You might be right about the permanent count...I played a game using a proxy Malek, and like you said, the spells didn't come up often enough...I'll have to figure out what's worth ditching.

@____________________________@ That's all I have to say about Sakashima. Amazing idea dude.

I suppose at best it's a one-sided pyroclasm, and that's not that impressive is it? =/

I hadn't thought about that with Mogg Infestation. That's actually hilarious, and I have no idea why/how I passed up the "twincasts"...and yeah, those would make Mogg just dumb =}

Wow, smart idea with Tower of the Magistrate. Not sure if I'll do the same with Cowardice, but all the same, good idea.

Soothsaying is good, but it's just continuing the problem with too many permanents, so I think instead of adding it in, I'm going to try to take other stuff out.

Good point with Isochron...Especially since I'll probably add in a few more.

Hrm...I suppose you have a point with the "small body" bit.

Thanks a ton man! Like always your help with EDH is amazing =]

Boom, changed it all up and it runs like a dream. Thanks again for all the help/ideas dude =]

I think the legendary lands should just be there. They enter untapped, and they will win you a game at some point I'm sure. Sakashima stays legendary no matter what it is copying, and Melek just might need first strike to block without death. Even a quick burn spell + first strike can kill things that need killing. Once people see Melek, they're gonna be hating anyway, no?

That's a good point, plus Melek equipped with Leering Emblem and/or Runechanter's Pike is a serious threat for General Damage.

Exactly! I was trying to find equipment in your deck as examples but I could not, lol. Yeah, untap Melek when equipped with Pike and give it first strike with the Emblem. haha. Alternate win cons need support too ;)

Plus I can untap Mikokoro to fix the top of my library with Minamo.

mhm.
I use Minamo on Gaea's Cradle and Rofellos in Momir.

The thing with Dragonshift is how stupid it is when paired with a Mogg Infestation, Empty the Warrens, or Talrand's spammed out tokens. Plus I can't help but grin at the idea of a Goblin bursting into a dragon XD

And yeah, Nivix Cyclops is so good, it's what's being blasted in the artwork for Abrupt Decay. One of my favorite things to hit with a "double-kicked" Rite of Rep. My favorite? Guttersnipe =P

it should be illegal to use rites of replication on guttersnipe. :|

Heheheheheheheheheheeheheheheheheheehehehehehehehehe Guttersnipe brigades sound like a lot of fun.
And yeah, I can see your point with the token production.

I've had two games so far where I've made a stupid amount of Guttersnipes. The first one I just blasted everyone to pieces, the second one though, which was more fun, I just kept my lands untapped with enough instants to turn everyone into giblets (I had something like 15 Guttersnipes out) and just watched the game continue on. It was way more fun to just sit back and watch everyone else's game unfold while they all knew not to lay a finger on me =]

That's thirty damage from a Brainstorm...
http://www.myfacewhen.net/view/5799-thats-damn-good

It should be illegal to use Rite of Replication on Biovisionary

That's not a bad idea...There's just two problems with it. 1) I haven't the slightest idea what I'd take out for it. And 2) right now I have a perfectly balanced mana demand (50/50) and I'm OCD like that =P

Wtf indeed. Still, in my group it'll still be 'banned' under the "Douchebag Clause" =P

I can see both reasons for and against removing its ban. The ban list for EDH is thankfully very stringent, so to be on it, the card has to be absolutely detrimental to the game, and I don't truly see that with it.

I think it needed to be unbanned actually. If you don't have an answer to a creature or an artifact, then you're doing something wrong. Now if you're like me and play Momir (Teferi + Seedborn Muse + Garruk's Horde) I'd suggest not running the douchebaggery that is Staff, though I do it now that it's unbanned, and I'm excited, lol. I'd still rather have Primeval Titan though. >:]

Nice to meet you, my name is dagbaker (DB = douchebag). Want to play some EDH?



meh.

I have her in mine... even managed to get her ultimate off in a game and it basically ended immediately.

yeah. looping burn and card draw until your opponent's dead.

I'm sure her ultimate would be great for this, but other than her ult, I don't see a reason to use her =/

She taps your opponent's creatures, gives you card advantage, and her ultimate is perfect for this deck.

Her ultimate is nuts for sure. Her +1 locks down a creature (or anything really) which is important with such a low creature count deck. Her -2 can also be insane card advantage when you're already playing stuff like Blustersquall.

She is very slow in edh, and very vulnerable. There's no reason to waste a card spot for her, especially in a deck like this. Time Spiral and Frantic Search might be nice in this though, Frantic Search being the first of the two I would add (might dump Blast of Genius or Hands of Binding). Hypersonic Dragon would also be decent if you can find a spot, though it is also a little slow (at least it's cheaper than Melek).
Also, lol @ Spellcast tag. I just noticed it.

See, Dag gets it. I tried Hypersonic, but like you said, it was too slow

Too slow for EDH? Isn't that an oxymoron?

This is the "slow" format. ...but if you're going to think of it like that, Melek is too slow for EDH as well so the entire arguement is irrelevant. Tamiyo is a great walker to use in the deck, regardless of speed. She controls creatures and if she ever ultimates you can literally win instantly. This particular deck list doesn't appear to include any infinite combo potential so worrying about something being too slow is irrelevant since it's a slow, casual deck to begin with.

She controls exactly nothing though, that's the point. She is slow, because by the time she can do anything she gets killed. It can draw a bunch of cards if an opponent playing a creature deck taps out, but if you're tapping out for Tamiyo against a ton of creatures, you're dead. Wrath effects are better than Tamiyo. Extra turns are better than Tamiyo. Draw spells are better than Tamiyo. Counterspells are better than Tamiyo. Tamiyo draws attention and can be attacked, and her +1 does nothing. Melek is the focus of this deck, and it can't waste spots on useless planeswalkers, when the deck needs as many spells as possible (Ral Zarak is also quite useless, but I think there's an Izzet theme). EDH isn't a slow format because the decks are slow, it's because there are generally more than two players, which means more answers to everything (and the need for them), and probably more people trying to race to combo kills (taking long, slow turns, searching through big decks). Also, you can't copy Tamiyo.. . . . . . . . ..Just saying.
;)

Rant,rant,rant,rant,rant.

Her +1 makes something not untap... That's most definitely not nothing. The most threatening thing on the board is permanently useless. When you're stalling for more mana or just don't have enough blockers for everything, it's free card advantage or saves you a turn.

An extra turn card without an already assembled combo or a board of creatures is basically an untap and draw 1 which is not overly impressive. Not shockingly, it does win you the game with Tamiyo's emblem.

Board wipes tend to fall in a different area within deck building space. Red and Blue aren't particularly good at it though. Short of Evacuation, he's already got most of the playable wipes that he should reasonably play.

Counterspells are generally bad in EDH and in Melek as they are card disadvantage and useless when doubled. Running more than a handful to cover haymakers is just wasted space.

So playing Tamiyo into creatures is stupid but she draws attention and can be attacked... which is it? She either saves you a turn or she kills you... Either way she's at least drawn you a variable amount of cards or locked down a big threat for a turn. Which may or may not save you at least as well as every other 5 drop in the deck currently.

Melek is certainly the focus of the deck, so the permanents you use have to be worthwhile. Tamiyo helps control the board since you will lose any creature fight, draws you a good amount of cards or flat out wins you the game if the opponents are stupid or unlucky enough to let you get her ultimate off. Planeswalkers are honestly some of the best permanents to include in such a deck as they all generate card advantage. Certainly not worth cutting into the spell space but other permanents could take a cut for an on theme walker like Tamiyo, or Chandra or Jace.

EDH is a slow format because of the larger deck size and singleton nature. I'm not talking about turns taking longer or being multiplayer. It's slower because the essential turn is 6 instead of 3. (aka you're likely to see someone win or start controlling the board by that turn.) 60 card constructed can easily end the game on turn 3. While that is possible in EDH, it's more of a stars aligning moment and most tuned decks can kill by turn 6 more reliably. Melek costing 6 outside green and favoring spells puts him out of competitive range fairly quickly. That's not to say that he's not powerful or full of potential but he's too slow to be a tier 1 deck so worrying about something being "too slow" in the deck is truly irrelevant. You're not going to play him to begin with if you're group is more cutthroat. Jhoira would be the izzet general for that or possibly Mizzet combo.

It IS good, but I want to keep the permanent count to a minimum =/

i have a almost similar deck to this one but my commander is riku of two reflections, the theme is to dig up epic experiment and copy that spell then afterwards its a spell extravaganza =] , can you have a quick look at it? ive noticed that your active in this forum and help improve decks, i would really appreciate it thanks! http://www.mtgvault.com/iceonfire/decks/edhriku-of-two-reflections/

I actually used to run it in here, but the deck became super boring as a result. Anytime I played it, the game ended almost exactly the same =/

Ah, no fun. I see ^_^