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Infect Stompy. I'd be lying if I denied how excited I am about this. WOOP! =] My other Stompy decks: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=116626 <---Standard-legal Stompy http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=116250 <---My personal favorite Stompy http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=118142 <---Old(er)-school Stompy with more emphasis on pumps. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=122687 <---Stompy that abuses math tricks based on the number 3. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=122864 <---Stompy with Vengevine in it. That Vengevine just keeps coming. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=123634 <---Elf tribal Stompy. Idea came to me when I looked at Mul Daya Channelers http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=124886 <---A more creature-based Stompy and the only one I have using Garruk. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=127787 <---Eldrazi-based Stompy. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=128224 <---Metal-Stomp. Artifact heavy Stompy. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=130917 <---Horde-Stomp. Token swarm based Stompy. The last Stompy I'll make for a VERY long time. =]
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another stompy lol can stompy only be green? or can it be any color?
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Only mono-green. However Naya might soon become the first non-mono-green Stompy. It isn't yet, but hopefully soon, since I think it could be considered Stompy in a lot of ways (Woolly Thoctar?!).
oh k i was just wondering because i've heard before(i dunno where) that stompy is necessarily about color it is more about mana efficiency.
Well it IS about perfected mana efficiency, but it's also mono-green (since mono-green is the most mana efficient). =]
well if i made an extremely mana efficient not legal red deck could it almost be considered stompy? lol
Nope, it'd just be considered a really fast red deck, and probably end up Sligh.
end up sligh?
If you push a red aggro deck toward the edge of stompy-like efficiency, it often ends up as Sligh.
lol i get that but i've never heard the term sligh before:-p what does it mean?(geez... i feel like a noob asking) lol
Sligh is a type of red aggro deck (or RDW) that has a mathematically "fine-tuned" mana curve. The first one was made by a dude whose last name was Sligh. If you look at the original "Sligh" deck, it's actually pretty awful...but, it was the first deck at that point in MTG's history that had a properly structured mana-curve, so it kicked everyone's ass. These days, adaptations of the Sligh design with key red aggro cards makes them really scary decks indeed. Think RDW on crack. My deck "Little Bastards" is a Sligh deck that I tweaked to have its probability curve match its mana curve by 88% =]
Ahh i see now i see. that makes much more sense! that is a sick curve to say the least lol i dunno how to do the math to figure those things out lol but you should give my siege-gang rape deck a look and tell me what you think! :)
while your at it i just made my first real stompy give a look will and tell me what you think! :)
My first stompy deck was Naya!
How does it play?
like a ****ing freight-train! Infect is just so damn strong. Rot Wolf and/or Ichorclaw with Infiltration Lens is insane =P Also, I play it with the looming threat of a blast of pumps if they let something through, so it really puts the opponent "in my court", so to speak. Phyrexian Hydra is a beautiful creature.
Hah, I've really wanted to make a mono-green (stompy) infect deck just havent't had the time or encouragement to do so and here you go and do it for me. Sir, you are a time saver. ;-) Have you maybe thought of Vines for removal counter? Kind of a twofer. Can be use defensively and offensively in more ways than one.
I been waiting to see this! LOVE IT TOO! I tried making it myself but I could not get the right feeling to it...well, nice stompy! AGAIN!
I completely forgot to mention...why do you have 5 forests and then another 5 forests....whats wrong with just 10 forests in one place.
I KNOW WOOO! =] Oh, and the two new forests make a cool picture if you put them together (it's all infect-y). So I put in 5 of each. =]
it shows the same forest on both links though...which is why I was curious.
Wtf, it does. Must be a picture issue. Well it works the right way in "draw sample hand". I'll have to let one of the boss-men know =/
I'd suggest more Inkmoth Nexuses. Those guys are crazy good. Say, sub out two Ichorclaw Myr for two more nexuses. When you need the mana, they can help you get things like the Hydra out, and when you don't, they're flying artifact infect that can't be hit with Go For The Throat.
I've never been a fan of having a lot of colorless-tapping lands. I tried adding more, since they are sweet, but it makes things all..."wonky". =/
AHHHHHHHH!!! Yes! I knew you'd do this eventually :-) Well done sir. I love it! What about Plague Myr? One more colorless couldn't hurt... :-) And I have a challenge for you... Proliferate-Stompy subtype? Also, maybe give me a little feedback on a deck I just threw together? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=141928&DeckCommentID=123445
Plague Myr? You mean that whimpy over-priced Lanny wanna-be? No way man. Ichorclaw is a force to be feared.
Oh, and proliferate is still an awful and slow mechanic. It would just weaken a Stompy deck =/
i havent noticed proliferate strengthening any deck... the idea of it is nice but its just tooo slow
contested war zone seems aweful...can you tell me why its in there or even any good?
"Attacking creatures get +1/+0 until end of turn." With infect, that is doubled. Still, I'll probably take it out for another Inkmoth...I just wanted to see how it played in this. It is frickin' amazing in my BorosCry deck though...holy hell. =]
WOOHOO! =]
Wow, I've been trying some sample hands and this deck is like a fine tune up machine!
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I dunno, I like Gigantiform in my infect decks. Throw it on an Ichorclaw myr is just mean.
Just wanted to be first to ask. Sum41?
Sum 41 called, they wanted their title back.
lol ive been waiting for this day! finally your take on infect! but what about plague myr? or livewire lash?
Livewire Lash is a cool trick, but in reality, it's kinda..."meh" And I already commented on Plague Myr =P
What had you said last time, it was something about not making one for about a year, wasn't it? :P Somebody had to say it
To my credit, I made an addendum to that statement for this very reason. =] Oh, and I wasn't even thinking about Sum41 at all when I made this. -_-
I didn't catch all that until half a second ago, I'm not really a fan of theirs... I more listen to stuff like the Mars Volta, and Muse for my alternative.
Hell yeah Muse! \m/ (>_<)
sorry, didn't read it all till now, with livewire lash, my b/g infect is really inconsistent. itz like i win in about 4 turns or im screwed for the game in about 4 turns.
I'm not a huge fan of Llanowars. What about using Lotus Cobras instead? With the Adventuring Gears and Harrows, you're already playing towards fetch lands and multi-land drops. Also, a couple Explores might go well. I tend to prefer them to Harrow, as when they're countered you don't lose a land. Other than that, I like how it looks. ;)
What's wrong with ol' Lanny? Poor guy gets no respect =[ Jokes aside, explore doesn't employ a Stompy level of mana efficiency. Also, the only time I've seen Lotus Cobra work in Stompy is in my buddy's landfall stompy (sort of why I never made a landfall-stomp). Thanks for the comment thought =]
i didnt realize stompy HAD to mono green. i built what i thought was a stompy with elvish piper and summoning trap and moswort bridge as well as some duel lands to get out progenitus and godsires. even if its not traditional mono green pure bread stompy... talk about a "****ing freight train." still increadibly fast for its average manna cost and crazy fun to play
Hey don't worry. You are not at all the first or last person to not know that.
The original Stompy had like 10 land, all 1 manacost creatures (rogue elephant, ghazban ogre, quirion ranger, elvish spirit guides etc) and winter orb -- totally abused its mana efficiency with winter orb. I personally think of most green aggro decks as "beats" as opposed to stompy because anything over 1 (MAYBE 2) was too expensive for stompy.
Yeah, I once played against a 10 land-Stomp. Those things are a whole different breed of Stompy. I'm impressed by your knowledge of Stompy's history. =]
A modern reincarnation of the stompy Shazamdaman mentions just sounds like elves to me. Which is really fun with the elves out there!
You comment that my decks are "out of the norm" and then go make an Infect Stompy. I don't know what to say *shakes head* Good deck by the way. I'm tempted to build this for myself :p
have you considered to put 2 garruk for the 2 overwhelming stampede...?
Haha I was just waiting for you to make this. I remembered how you said you loved the rot wolf, and here he is. :P Good job, man. I think this is my favorite stompy you've made. And if there was EVER a card to describe you, it'd have to be inflitration lense. you abuse that card to no end. xD But i've got a serious question for you. Even though I have 2 boros decks posted, I've never actually made them. I've proxied. but i want to actually make one, for fnms and what not. SO, which out of my 2 boros decks do you feel is better? the old school boros aggro, or the new boros battle cry? I'd have to invest in both, so I don't really want to waste any money xD Thanks so much, man. And I really do love the deck!
I'd say the new one with Battle Cry. It is such an insane mechanic and it just pushes your deck to that next level. Glad you like the deck man. =]
Mr. WhyNot! I've had an idea... I was a little hurt when you said proliferate was too slow, since it's one of my favorite mechanics. So, I set about trying to make a proliferate deck that actually works... and now I need some feedback. Might have something worth looking at :-) http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=143262 Sorry to spam your page like this, I just think I might actually have a functioning proliferate deck.
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wow this is friking awsome might build that if i can get my hands on the rare lands. if you find the time check out my decks pls your input would be very much appreciate.
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Those infect Decks are too slow, u guys should look at this : http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=140987
I would think maybe to put in Cyclical evolution, I know it is kinda slow, but a +3/+3 every turn is kind of NICE too
Eh, for Stompy that card would never be used. The other issue is that this deck is Standard. =/
I hate to do this here, but can you please look at my (slight) modifecation of this deck. I'd like some input before buying the cards I'm missing. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=144303
Great deck. To comment on previous comments about Livewire lash. I've been running an infect deck for some time with Livewire lash, and i don't see how it doesn't at least deserves a sideboard presence. If you play against Red, black and even White or Blue, you will most likely be the target if spells from your opponents more often then not. Plus, if you play stuff like Giant Growth, Groundswell, Unnatural Predation, Primal Below, etc, it just means more damage/poison counter on the opponent since it's the monster that does the damage with Livewire Lash. Livewire Lash on a monster with deathtouch is also a killer, in case you start playing with black or Basilisk collar, it is a ridiculous combo. This card literally won me matches by itself when my opponent tried to lock me down. I'd just keep playing my instant on my monsters without even having to attack. To me, Livewire Lash is a must in any infect deck, and a much better card than the infiltration lens. The lens won't give you a win by itself, the Lash will. Also, in a stompy deck where you want your mana efficiency to be perfect, to me, it seems garruk would do a better job than Overwhelming Stampede. Sure stampede can nail out more damage, but it cost 1 more to play and doesn't give you a mana ability if need be. Garruk does give you overrun the turn after it's cast, the possibility to mana accel if need be or to add a creature. I find the card to be a lot more flexible for the deck than Stampede. I'd play Birds of Paradise over Llanowar elves or Arbor Elf for the flying block in case you need it. Let's face it, you have nothing to kill monsters, if your opponents goes flying with a bit of control, you will most likely die. Viridian Corrupter is also a very nice sideboard choice, it's a great infect monster by itself, and with the swarm of artifact decks out there, it's just great when playing mono green. Naturalize is fine, but this one does the job and also help you with infect after. If you really plan on using the lens, i'd go with Turntimber Basilisk or Tangle Angler personally, with a Giant growth or a Groundswell on it can be very bad for weenie decks and if it's equipped with the lens, well you have yourself a full hand again. Basilisk collar also works very well with it (tangle angler). With all your landfall, Turntimber Basilisk is a board sweeper and with the lens, it's simply scary. I like the deck but i think it needs more flexibility, as it is, it seems to me it's either a ''i win in 2-4 turns or lose in 4-5 turns''. At least in the meta from my region it's what it would be. For Oren-Rief the vastwood, i find it very slow since your deck seems to be a very quick win condition deck. I do understand why your playing Harrow, if it only really works with 5 cards in your entire deck, it's a waste of three mana. Especially if you play garruk for mana stability. In a quick deck like yours, i find Giant Growth to be a much more valuable card. My changes would be as follow: -2 Stampede -4 Arbor Elf -2 Infiltration Lens -2 Oran-Rief, The Vastwood -4 Harrow +2 Livewire Lash +2 Garruk Wildspeaker +4 Birds of Paradise +2 Misty Rainforest +4 Giant Growth My sidedeck would be: 3x Turntimber Basilisk 3x Veridian corrupter 3x Naturalize 3x Harrow 3x Infiltration Lens Just my two cents, but very nice idea for a deck. Love it. +1
Well, I've actually been dancing around the idea of using Livewire Lash in this, but I'm still leaning towards keeping it out. It just seems a tad too much on the cost side of things to be included, but I'm gonna have to look at some numbers, especially with Infect involved. Thanks for reminding me about BoP...I always frickin' forget about those little guys. As for Garruk, there's times where putting him in a Stompy is not worth it, and times where he's a better choice and there's pretty complicated reasons for either side of the arguments, both of which make perfect sense (it's mind-boggling!). That said, I might take you up on Garruk, but not just for the overrun ability. See, with him I can untap my Inkmoths and/or Oran-Riefs, which is just plain absurd. Harrow is an amazing card because it is a Stompy-efficient mana ramper. I usually don't care too much that it also aids landfall, even though that's obviously nice. It mostly speeds up the deck tremendously. Infiltration Lens is, I think, seriously overlooked. Stick it on an infect/trampler and your opponent is going to give you some huge card advantage in a panic. Often you can draw into pumps, which leads to a really funny win. Oran-Rief is good because it gives +1/+1 counters to EVERY creature that entered under my control. This is good in normal circumstances, but with infect, that is HUGE. Also, I can beef up my Inkmoth =] I haven't worked out the sideboard for this one yet, as I think it will need to work differently than my other ones. I will say that Verdian Corrupter is a definite possibility. Appreciate the comment man. =]
Small problem I thought i should point out - Oran-Rief can't put +1/+1 counters on Inkmoth, Oran-Rief says "...on each GREEN creature..."
Alright, a few things...First of, god damn I always forget that about Oran-Rief! >_< Even so, it kicks ass, and Inkmoth kicks more. Second thing: I did some number crunching, and when applied to infect, Livewire Lash generally offers a larger benefit per unit of mana (oh yeah, we're getting techno-freaky here) than what is provided by Adventuring Gear (on average of course. AG periodically has massive spikes). Third thing: After I got the results from before, I tried out Livewire Lash and HOLY CRAP. In normal decks, it's not worth it, but with infect, it becomes a whole different kind of weapon.
Im glad i could be of some help. Also happy you have realised just how powerful Livewire Lash can be in an infect deck. It's a game winner by itself sometimes/most of the time. Keep up the good work. LordPM.
I just read Livewire Lash's ability and dam would that be fun on an infect creature :p
I think necropede could be decent in this deck, but this deck is pretty much perfect so it doesnt need any changes! my first thought was more combat tricks, but then i looked at your spells xD good work! i am trying to make a controllish U/B infect deck, and i need some help, so take a look at it if you want to. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=169539
As soon as I saw the livewire I giggled, glad to see the chain of comments bring that into your deck. Very sexy, and using all my favorite new cards!.. First time I've wanted to use someone else's deck idea.
so i stole you deck. sorry. i actually love this deck. i proxies it and now buying it. great fricken deck
Thanks man. This is infamous in my shop for being the most dominant deck ever used in any of our Unplugged Standard tourneys. We don't allow repeat uses over 3 times in a row, but I had a blast while I was able to use it =]
Added in Invigorate. Can't believe I hadn't thought about that...
but... invigorate isn't standard...?
So? Soon this deck won't be standard either =P
Soon, as in like 2.5 months from now... and you'd only be losing a few cards. Ramp, and some lands, etc. I'm sure there will be some form of viable ramp in the new set. It'd be silly of Wizards to reprint Rampant Growth and that's it.