Death walks these halls

That's what I have Immortal Servitude in here for. Generally you want to have it hit the 2 cmc area since most of the dudes in this deck fall under that cost. I've found the explosive effect of Servitude to be better than the Whip's one-at-a-time speed.

agreed that spell is better at bringing them back but I still like the life link. and what about soldier of the pantheon?

Soldier of the Pantheon, to me, is more of a sideboard card than anything.

true it only works if opponent is running multicolor but if it happens he can be a game ender

Return to the Ranks... maybe?

Y'know, I tried it out when it was spoiled (via proxy) and it's often not as useful as Immortal Servitude. I say often because there were occasions where it was much better, but those were pretty damn rare.

While I do love Blood Artist, and while it would be a good fit in here, I just don't have room. That's not to say you couldn't take this design and switch some things around for Blood Artist.

Cartel imo is unnecessary

Cartel Aristocrat? Far from it. It's a great sac outlet and it's also an amazing evasive chisel.

ya cartel is awesome played with athreos and necromancer it is broken

It's also a human.

The problem with using auras on Aristocrat is that most removal is in the colors black and white. If I gave her protection from those colors, the auras would "fall off" and be wasted.

All the same I appreciate the suggestions/comments =]

Yes but I think circle of despair is amazing for this deck

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Okay. Okay.

Sorry. Had time to cool off...just...seen 2 decks of mine be removed today...I see why they did it, but they could at least removed them to the 2nd page, as KnightoftheHokeyPokey agreed with me.

And it is a good "problem" to have...me getting upset that they remove my hot decks because i make new hot decks. Lots of people would love to have that "problem" on here.

It was just aggravating. I didn't get the decks removed because they sucked, or they stopped getting comments, or stopped getting likes...i got them removed for posting more good decks. And, to me, that almost felt like i was being punished.

Sorry to highjack your deck...and to rant and rave like a lunatic....just seems...i don't know anymore...i get that they don't want Magic Vault saturated with a few people having all of the decks. I do get that. Just seems like they could make a better system...instead of making people feel like they have to choose between posting a new deck that may just end up removing one of their old decks.

It's quite damn rude to take up six comment slots to rant on someone else's deck. It appears others share my belief as well.

To answer your question in surewhynot's stead, yes, any member of the vault who currently has two active "Hot" decks will have their oldest of the two removed if a third reaches the Hot List. This was done in response to certain users abusing the system by having numerous alternate accounts 'like' their decks to the Hot Page (an act I find rather pathetic, but I digress) and it was also done in response to the massive popularity of NorthernWarlord and his budget series. As I understand it, there was a week long stretch where Mr. Warlord had all but one of not just the first page, but the second as well. That's thirty-nine decks on the Hot List all by one user.

It should be noted that if the removed deck(s) continue to get attention, they will remain and return to the Active Page.

It should also be noted that the admins have expressed multiple times that the Hot Page is a very experimental thing subject to changes. If you have suggestions for them to improve upon the Hot Page, while the forum might not be available, I believe they have a rather active Facebook page. I would warn you to stray from the ranting, caps lock tirade method of suggestion, however.

As for signing into the forums and the issues you seem to be having with that, the answer should be colourless, or perhaps "no colour". I doubt capitalization matters, so it might be that something truly is amiss. I am unsure.

Surewhynot is the main moderator of the forums, and so a registration issue is something he could, in fact, contact the admins about. Your aforementioned frustrations are something to take up with the admins yourself, however.

I apologized, Quasimofo. Look at the response above yours. I deserve the right to get upset...I work hard on my decks. Spend weeks making them. Just to see them disappear! I don't have multiple accounts. I simply work hard! Over 2000 comments.

I try to help people out. I try to suggest cards. I try to make people better magic players. That, and making solid decks, that is how I get Hot decks. Not by Multiple Accounts. I have made entire decks designed, with no other purpose, than to help people out.

Example: http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/static-ability-challenge/
How many people has done that?
Hell, only 2 decks in Magic Vault history have more comments then that deck!
And designed to help people.

"The Vault 2.0 was awful.. it was impossible to get a deck on the popular page unless you were one of... 5 or so deckbuilders: Surewhynot, WhiteandBlueTheyKillYou, DotheWumpus, and a couple of others." So, Northy wasn't the entire problem, friend.

"It should be noted that if the removed deck(s) continue to get attention, they will remain and return to the Active Page."
Why do that if Magic Vault is going to remove another hot deck of mine? Seems kinda pointless. Hell, at this point, I don't want my old Hot Decks to get "hot" again, it just means one of my new Hot Decks, will be removed, and won't receive any comments/suggestions.

And as stated, again, by many people, if the deck isn't on the "Hot Page" it isn't going to get any view anyways. Not everyone spends the time, like me, to comment on unloved/new decks. If it isn't on the "Hot Page" then it isn't going to get noticed, there is a good chance of that one.

I will take one for the team. Down vote my comments. Don't like my decks, anymore. If it gets the administrators to talking, then good, it was worth it. A lot of people will thank me.

Again, I apologize. But today, I seen two of my decks...both on the first page, disappear. Decks that I spent hours on. One deck where I commented on over 75 other people's decks. Do you know the dedication, to Magic Vault, and other people, that took? I

Yes, the rant and caps was wrong. Again, one more apology. I just felt like I was punished for nothing more than posting decent decks. Sorry, surewhynot. Ranting wasn't the way to get answers...I know that. And i am sorry, again, for the 4th or 5th time.

I love Magic Vault! I spend hours a day on here. Even to the point of making my wife mad, at times. I get the point of taking my decks down. To not saturate Magic Vault. I do get that...but you have to see...where it could be aggravating and make you mad...to see, before your eyes, one of your decks just disappear simply by posting another hot deck. I don't ask you to be on my side..and i am not asking for you not to be mad that I ranted, when i should not of...all i ask is that you try to understand where that could of upset me.

Right now, my decks are Number 1 and Number 3 (the Number 2 deck I suggested to someone else to make/gave the idea to)...and I will simply wait to they are completely removed from the Hot Section, before I post anymore, because i spent a lot of time making them...and don't want them removed. Don't want to spend another day feeling like i was punished. Not many things give me pleasure, but Mtg does. And I don't want to feel jaded because of it.
It is uber aggravating, but that is how Magic Vault works, and i will respect that.

Again, I am sorry, surewhynot. And to anyone else I offended.

Jessie, you really shouldn't be worried about the things you're worried about. If you want your decks noticed, be happy they are. And sorry for the rant. I apologize.

I got downvoted for suggesting cards and bragging to people about how well Mentor of the Meek was used in the deck...ugh. lol.

I upvoted to cancel it out. Not sure why someone would downvote. The whole rant thing has long been water under the bridge, and it's a solid comment. =/

Thanks, friend.

Question, if i make a deck and keep it unlisted...and just tell people about it...and it gets several likes/comments...will it automatically be put on the Hot Deck List?

Trying to make new decks without fear of my old decks being removed.

I have in mind:
Life's Legacy
Rancor
Phyptotitan.

A deck around that. People will beat me to the punch, because again, I am afraid of my newer hot decks being removed (and scared to make new decks). And i brought up the combo to other people...so I will be beat to the punch. But there are a lot of good deck builders that can give it justice.

Already asked people to no longer respond to ANY of my old hot decks...lame as that is, I don't want anyone to knock off one of my newer Hot Decks, by simply still liking one of my older decks. So, no more giving advice on the Static Ability deck I made. Which defeated the purpose of making it in the first place...

So...thinking keeping the deck unlisted may be the way to go....
then post it to public ONCE my other hot decks fade down the list.

Surewhynot or Quasimofo? Will that work? I am at the point where I am actually scared to make decks.

Alright, I contacted both admins about the issue you had getting into the forums, and they changed the question to something less ambiguous. Give it another try.

Thank you surewhynot, so freaking much!!! Thank you for hearing me out...and, to a certain point, agreeing with me.

My main issues:

1) Some hot decks stay on hot pages for months...and get 50, 60, 70, 100 likes...and it is mostly because it just stays up there forever. You would agree, that i speak truth, that they will get so many likes MOSTLY because they stay on the Hot Deck for so long! People say to themselves, being lazy, "That deck is on the hot deck, it must be good, let me like it." I have seen it in person, people like my decks, and have not even an idea of how the deck actually works! Their comments prove that.

I had 2 decks (static ability deck and mutant ninja turtle) that was well on their way to that many likes; THEY WERE BOTH IN THE TOP TEN DECKS, then I posted 2 more decks, and they disappeared! I thought to myself, "remove them to the second or third page...but don't remove them altogether!" Again, as you said, I worked hard on them...only to see them disappear (apparently, as you stated, to never be able to be on the hot deck list again).

2) So...there went the chance for them to get 50+ likes. Because, as you know, mostly only hot decks get noticed. And, IF I WOULD OF NOT POSTED MY 2 NEW DECKS, truth is, the older 2 Hot decks would of kept getting comments/likes. In other words, if I would of not posted my 2 Ob Nixilis decks, my Mutant Ninja Turtle deck and Static Ability deck would still be getting likes/comments/suggestions....but now they they are moved to active decks...not many people look at them, there goes a good chance of them getting any more notice. So, what would of, probably, been decks that had 50+ likes, they will have to fight like hell to get that many likes now. Mainly, as i keep stating, because I made 2 other hot decks.

So, when people deck search for decks with 50 plus likes...they will never see my decks! Maybe, if they are going to take my decks down before they are finished being commented on...instead of punishing them...make a special note on decks that were hot, but got removed because the owner posted another hot deck that made the old hot deck be removed. Reward good deck builders, don't punish their decks!! Don't deny them likes they would of got.

Something like, "Mutant Ninja Turtle" deck, 45 likes,
*Removed from hot list because user posted another Hot Deck*
Give the deck some sort of asterisk.
Or maybe increase the number of hot decks that you can have to 3 or 4. 2 is very limiting.
Again, give people the chance to keep rewarding the deck...somehow, you know? How many people actually look at unloved/active decks? Not many.

So, my Mutant Ninja Turtle and Static Ability decks, in my opinions, got punished and the chance to be ignored, only because I tried my best and made 2 more decent decks. Right, doesn't that seem that way?

As you said, "So that's where we are now, users who might only ever get one deck to the Hot List will have it there for a really, really long ass time. Users who get decks to the Hot List rather frequently will have their decks up there for a more limited time, due to the maximum of 2." So...those decks, where the user only has one hot deck, have a better chance of getting an uber amount of likes. But my decks won't get that many likes (publicity) because they will be quickly removed. Again, can't you see (even if you don't agree, i respect that) where it appears that my old Hot Decks are being punished for me posting new Hot Decks?

3) "However, at the same time, I thought it WAS fair, because just like you I put a lot of effort and time into the decks and into commenting on other decks to get my name out there." You do recognize that. True, Northy saturated this site with Budget decks...and people liked them mainly because they were decent decks considering they were budget...but my 2 decks that got deleted (Turtle and Static Ability) got liked/commented on because they were unique and helpful.

I deserved to have them on the hot page.. A) Teenage Mutant Ninja turtle deck...out of thousand of decks, it is the only one on Magic Vault like it and B) My Static Ability deck helped over 75 decks! Decks that would of never got commented on, maybe, otherwise.

4) So...while a person makes an, for example, Infect deck that gets to the Hot Page, and he doesn't ever make another hot deck..his deck is going to get those 50+ likes..even though there are 300 (306, to be exact) plus decks just like it. And mine were removed because I simply made 2 more Hot decks. REGARDLESS, of what my decks were...regardless of how original there were, and regardless of how many people they helped. So, the Infect deck keeps getting likes for "having it there for a really, really long ass time" and my decks are put on the back burner because, I just tried hard to make more good decks."

That seems like socialism, friend. Make one good deck..and don't even have motivation to make anymore...just let that one good deck keep getting more, and more, and more likes. It is a motivation killer.

"So that's where we are now, users who might only ever get one deck to the Hot List will have it there for a really, really long ass time. Users who get decks to the Hot List rather frequently will have their decks up there for a more limited time, due to the maximum of 2." That just seems...i don't know...kinda flawed, somehow. Favoring people who only made one good deck...and punishing people who made 3 good decks.

I do not have facebook...and the forum..no one answers them, as you seem to stated. So, a favor, can you somehow, copy and paste this comment to Gary and Ian? Or let them know my concerns?

I am sorry for this book long rant, friend.
Again, thank you for listening.
And I AM SO SORRY, for my rants and they way i handled things.

I could talk to them about it I guess, because I do see both sides of the argument. I think I've mentioned to them before that higher reputation should give users more hot deck "slots". As of right now, rep kinda does nothing but look nice. It would also be nifty if a deck got a star or something to signify it was a hot deck, I like that idea.

"..i've mentioned to them before that higher reputation should give users more hot deck "slots."
Brilliant, like most of your decks.

Thank you.

I felt the need to bring this account back for a comment; if you think you're upset by having two of your decks removed, how do you think that I, who never really wanted to be on the front page, felt seeing deck after deck of mine being exactly netdecked by the people at the shop? I've been on this site since the Zendikar block, and I've had front page decks rather consistently since.

I think rather than giving more hot slots based on reputation, which would wind up simply saturating the hot page with more specific users(the sin of Vault 2.0), there should be a time limit imposed on how long a deck stays on the hot page. Something like a week after it hits, and then it becomes the next page. Then have it removed from the hot page after a month, would be a system I would like to see.

It is nice of you to comment. From what i have heard, from people who have been on the site for a long time, you made some really good decks, WhiteandBlue!

Netdecked? What is this?

Yes, that system would also work. Great suggestion. I like the idea as much as surewhynot's reputation suggestion.

Again, thanks for the comment!

White and Blue is now JensDagon, and both of his "incarnations" have made some amazing decks.

Netdecking is when less-than-skilled players look up a really, REALLY good deck online and copy it exactly. It's annoying enough to play someone who's netdecked a good deck that they have no idea how to pilot. It's another thing when that deck is your own creation.

I like that idea as well. I know Ian especially never wants to commit the errors of V2 again, so I'll bring up all ideas to get the ideas flowing, but I'm sure the admins will steer the ideas away from anything that could create the same problems of the past.

I love to rant.
Main issues I beg of you.

1) Maybe up the amount of Hot Decks you can have.
Maybe do it by reputation points, as suggested. As a reward to contribute. I know the biggest issue is saturating the Hot Deck list...but there is a huge difference between me maybe being able to have 3 or 4 Hot decks and Northy having 20 hot decks at the same time. Has to be some sort of middle ground.

2) If you get kicked off the very first hot page, for making another hot deck..consider keeping the old hot deck on the list...somehow..even if it is put at the very back of the Hot Decks. Or maybe reward the deck with some sort of acknowledgement of why it got kicked out of the top 10.

3) Put some sort of time limit on hot decks. No reason for a guy's deck to be removed out of the top 10 decks (I have been done so 2 or 3 times now)...while other decks get 50+ likes for no reason then the deck being on the Hot Page for months and months.

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Nah, because it's still mostly human. Like 90% of the creatures are human.

Okay. Well, I'll keep that in mind. While I'm at it with questions, can Tribal refer to card type as well (i.e. if my deck is all artifacts, is it Tribal Artifacts?), or just creature types?

Tribal refers to a deck with a majority of its creatures having the same creature type. A deck with lots of artifacts is just an artifact deck =]

Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

When did tribal, the word, come out. I remember playing around the time tempest/exodus/mirage fading out and Urza being new...I played then, and I never remember hearing the word "tribal."
I came back 11 years later, to Mtg, and now i hear "tribal" everywhere.
I know what it stands for, but did they have that word around, back in the day?

I think tribal came out around oddessy block but I might be wrong

I think it was either Odyssey or Invasion that someone came up with the phrase (it wasn't Wizards for a while, it was just the nickname players gave it, like "mill"). Then I think in the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor block they solidified it as a phrase with cards referring to "Tribal" interactions.

So yeah, I'd say it came about right after you went on your break from magic.

can you think of any ways for maralen of the morning song to work as an edh commander with ob nixilis, unshackled?
the combo is awesome but marelen lets your opponents search for what they need to defeat the combo.
is it a dead combo before it starts?
will she work at all as an edh commander?

Check out the deck called "Fly Blackbird, Fly" by my buddy Quasimofo. It's the best Maralen EDH I've ever seen/played against =]

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/shattergang-edh/

Got about 50 cards down. Please look at it, when you get a chance.

I'll look at it tomorrow. I'm pretty durnk right now. Found some 6% alcohol pineapple juice. It's amazing....

sounds great I could think of some good drinks for that

6 % alcohol, don't over do it! :) lol
I rarely drank (maybe once or twice a year) but when I do I like something like Bacardi 151. 75 % alcohol by volume.

Mainly...because i hate how alcohol tastes...so the less i have to drink to get a buzz, the better.

Check the deck out when you get a chance.

surewhynot, this EDH Shattergang is busting my balls! lol.
Advice welcome.
Got most of the combo cards together, and put down.
It is the lands and the cards that tie the deck together, that I need help with.

I'll give it a look as soon as I can buddy. Just know that losing your EDH virginity is WAY harder than your typical 60 card deck. I will look at it though.

Currently at a Crosby, Stills, and Nash concert though :)

They are still alive, what are they, 100? :)

Actually tribal is a format: http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=magic/rules/tribal
Most people tend to call "Theme" decks tribal though because they may use creatures of the same type or sub type. A theme can be just about anything, tribal generally is used to point more towards creatures in particular, so this often gets misused.

Tribal "legal" decks must have a minimum of 1/3rd their deck (20 out of 60) be a creature of the specific type or subtype. There are no sideboards in tribal.

Actually phasing is used in some forms of StifleNought. I forget the spell, but it's a charm that phases a creature out as one of its modes.

Anyway, I'll give it a look if/when I can. Been real busy lately =/

Sapphire Charm... Ha! That's great.

Actually it's Vision Charm.

Vision Charm phases artifacts.
Sapphire Charm phases creatures.

Regardless, take a look at it when you get a chance.
When you say decks are good...i don't take it for granted. It means I am on the right track.

Phyrexian Drednought is an artifact creature =P

And I might not be able to get to it until Sunday. Sorry, but I really am busy.

Sapphire Charm phases out creatures your opponents control, but damn, if it could phase your own Dreadnought, it would be a great choice.

Yeah, that's why you gotta use Vision Charm. Vision has some other useful modes though...

I love Morty Beetle, but I don't think it's right for this deck. That's not to say I couldn't make something to compliment those two cards...Hrm...

I'd recommend pulling the Scarsdag High Priests since you only have 2 demons in this deck anyways. I'd recommend running Soul's Attendant if you want better life-gain or Viscera Seer if you want to fix your draws. You might also benefit from putting both in and taking out Disciple of Griselbrand as well, since Soul's attendant is better for life-gain and Viscera Seer is a more useful (as well as free) sac-outlet.

Kinda too slow and expensive for the deck. For one more mana I can play Immortal Servatude and return a crap ton of two CMC dudes all at once.

Wow, that's quite a list. I'll get back to you on this haha.

Thanks! I guess I'm a bit obsessed. Also didn't mention Spear of Heliod, Intangible Virtue, Orzhov Charm and Sorin, Lord of Innistrad as viable options here. I just really love your deck!