The Pledge

Yeah was looking into that but her cost is what put me towards Divinity of Pride due to the much cheaper cost.

the thing with the key is that once you have it with the Chalice of death it enables you to -10 life a turn, but you have a point what would I replace it with if I was to?

Extra removal usually doesn't hurt.

Know of anything that would do the same thing but better or something else in addition?

There is nothing I can think of that would synergise with Chalice of Life in your colours and not have any other purposes. Adding more removal is the simplest thing to replace Voltaic Key with. Pacifisms and Oblivion Rings are good. I kind of feel Journey to Nowhere is better than Pacifism though if you want to change that up too.

Yeah I'll swap out pacifism for Pacifism, as for the key I think I'm going to have a look around what I should replace it with being removal or something else.

Journey to Nowhere for Pacifism*

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the only reason that I'm using Journey to Nowhere instead of path to Exile is the cost of the card itself. Also wouldn't Stony Silence stop me being able to Flip chalice of life and tap Elixir of Immortality? and lately for graveyard hate would I put that into my sideboard you think?

I see. Yeah, Path to Exile runs almost $10 now. Oops, my bad. Forgot about those. In that case, you might want to sideboard Disenchant for artifact hate (still hates on Affinity and Tron decks). And yes, when I was referring to graveyard hate, I was talking about your sideboard.

I quite like the idea with the Felidar Sovereign I think I will add two it to my deck.

As for the Serra Ascendant I did look at it but I decided after looking how much it cost per card that I would use other options.

Thanks for the feedback :D

Oh, I quite understand wanting to keep monetary costs down. $15 apiece can be rough. :) I hadn't checked THAT cost before suggesting it, is all.

Felidar Sovereign seems to be a good fine , thanks for that. any other suggestions?

Not really, no. :)

I only knew about the Felidar, because I've a couple of life-gain-to-win deck designs that use him.

How about Transcendent Master? He costs about $5, but he would be a great mana sink, potential cannon fodder, and if you get to level him up a few times he'll get pretty nasty.

It does look good , sadly for me I feel like it is to expensive being 6-10$ for me to buy where I am from. Thanks for the suggestion I will still look into adding it to my deck.

I run a mono-white lifegain deck and some of my favorite lifegain cards are: Path of bravery, suture priest, arashin cleric, sacred nectar, and angelic accord are good lifegain cards. And Azor's eluctors provides a win condition as long as you have enough creatures to block damage.

That's what I was thinking, sure it is a good budget option of soul sisters, which this site eats up cause apparently make a budget deck get to the hot page, but my real souls sisters deck would eat this alive... go figure my decks have cob webs on them this this on the hot page, anyway let me see if I can help.

Most everyone has suggested the cards that would be good additions but cost is a concern so I will keep that in mind:

Divinity of the pride is way to slow and you have no way to cheat it in, remove two and add 2 more soul wardens

Wall of reverence seems to slow too I would defiantly remove those and add soul's attendant

The main combo is the "soul sisters" with ajani's pridmate to have a huge pridemate to crush with, the draws that I got I was getting alot of life gainers but with no threats to push their life down, things to help with that are spectral procession (3) spirit tokens which trigger your sisters then trigger your pridemate

I can see where you are trying to go into the late game to win, but in modern the clock is very fast and you need to be able to close games out turn 4-5

good luck

A lot of them even play squadron hawks.

But i agree 100%, modern is a turn 4 format, besides control/tempo vs control/tempo matches, even if the game hasn't ended by turn 4, its vastly leaning in one players favour.

Casting a 6 mana do nothing the turn it enters creature is fun and all... but then it just meets counter magic, path, murderous cut, terminate etc...

Remember, Viagra, that not everyone plays at the "tournament cut-throat" level.

The main combo of this deck is about getting the Chalice of life flipped into the chalice of death to do the damage needed to kill my opponent while having other options to defeat my opponent. I have soul sisters go with Ajani's Pridemate to give me more options of defense and attack. Wall of Reverence just adds some defense against flying further down the line as well as working with Pridemate to gain more life. I do agree that Divinity of Pride is to slow I know it's just there until I can find a better card to fit it's place that does not cost be 27$ a card . do you know of any cheaper walls instead of Wall of Reverence that does the same trick?

I did just remove Voltaic Key which was used to make chalice of death do 10 damage a turn but I found that with out the chalice being played it was useless.

You don't have to play at a Cut-throat level to play soul sisters...
That's the fun thing about modern, you can brew viable combo decks that aren't meta decks.
What it comes down to is playing worse cards for n real reason.

Just because it has soul sisters in it does not make it a soul sister deck...

Then at least make it half decent... you don't need 4x main deck offerings... even as a lifegain deck its subpar...

so much salt ;)

The thing isn't that its too slow for modern, its just a slower version of an already decent modern deck...

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/490942-soul-sisters

With different cards and a different idea. Just because one guy made a deck that works doesn't mean you can't make your own, that's why this game is fantastic.

Rhino just isn't fast enough in most decks in modern, once CoCo came out you saw less and less of rhino, it's still in a few lists but overall casting a CoCo nets you better bodies and better effects.

^^^^ always listen to puschkin ^^^^^

his suggestions would make this deck stand on its own rather then being a poor option for soul sisters

@puschkin great commented, lots of good information there :D
@xerhero just because there is life gain in the deck doesn't mean it's a souls sisters copy... Get of your high horse.

@Puschkin

Okay so

- Added two of Nyx-Fleece Ram
- Removed two Elixir of Immortality
- Added three of Recumbent Bliss
- Added three of Sunbond
- Put my land to 22
- Replaced Rest for the Weary for Solemn Offering
-Removed two Felidar Sovereign

-Not to sure if I should remove Oblivion Ring or keep it for other threats.
-Don't know what to do for non-basic lands seeing as most of them are too expensive for me.

Thanks a lot for the feedback.

Keep the Oblivion Rings, they add to the white permanent count for the Martyrs :)

Okay will do thanks, anything else I should change?

I would add Rhox Faithmender if he was not to expensive for me. as for Silence not sure that would fir into this deck.

.. "even tho you want" ...? Really?

Why are so many people unable to offer advice that doesn't completely change the obvious intent, tone, or style of a deck? Why can't more people look at it, think "this deckis trying to make _____ work for them", and come up with advice that helps do that?

SMH ... if the guy wants to make the Chalice be his win condition, offer advice that helps with that. If you haven't any, offer advice that gives a second or third win condition, without eliminating or impeding the one they clearly are _trying_ for.

How did any of my suggestions change the intent, tone or style of this deck in any way? Senress has labelled this a modern deck, one could only assume that it is intended to be played at a modern event. Setting someone up for failure isn't exactly helpful, is it? If the deck tag said casual oppose to modern my original comment would have been different. Finally read the last sentence of my comment to yourself again.

Thanks for the feedback.

- The sunbound is to go with the Wall of Reverence.

- as for the Solemn Offering do I need to destroy Artifacts or Enchantments? I was using Rest for the Weary earlier and was told to change it to something change board position if you have a better option for it fire away.

- for my win condition it is the chalice I'm pretty close in removing Soul Warden for something that helps my chalice , but overall the whole point of the deck is the chalice.

- Divinity of Pride is there for the moment untill I find a good replacement that is not overly expensive.

- I feel as though Ajani's Pridemate could get destroyed and that would be the end of that so my intent was to use it as another threat rather.

- as for path to exile I feel Recumbent Bliss is a good card in place due to the life gain it gives.

This is an issue coming up time and again - "too slow for modern" for example is not a concern for casual decks, this isn't meant to be played in tournaments. Divinity of Pride is a powerhouse and belongs here.
Solemn Offering has the potential to be dead, much like a deck without any removal has the potential to die to enchantments and artifacts. Of the current 19 decks of Hot Page only 4 decks run no targets for Solemn Offering and most of them are tournament decks. The other 15 do have either plenty targets or they run fewer but among them are the key cards of the deck.
This correlates with my 20+ years of experience in casual Magic play - you'll always have targets for a Disenchant, at the very least mana artifacts or creature boosters but in many cases cards that are vital to the deck or even the card the deck was built around. And - unlike Disenchant, which would be wasted if you cast it on a random artifact that doesn't bother you, you can always cast it just to get life.

SeanL has a point, many people don't respect artistic choices made in casual decks and are unable to keep the deck in theme. However, commenting on casual decks isn't easy for many reasons and I don't think ManiacalManiac made his comments in malice. I know him from other decks here, he is just more on the competitive side, that's all. And I also don't want to be a judge here, so, please, let's keep it civil and try to be friends.

Don't tag a deck as "modern" if you don't want people to give those kinda comments.
Simple as that.

It's a deck made to be played in modern format ?? It makes no sense not to tag it as modern, it's not like he tagged it as 'competitive' it's also tagged as budget so sometimes it's not possible to add the best cards for white life gain since some of them are simple too expensive. You could easily make this deck better by adding Path and Serra Ascendant or fetch lands or other non basic lands, which would certainly make it competitive and closer to a turn 4 win but it would also double or triple the price of the deck making it unaffordable for the casual player.

I think what Pushkin, seanL and others have done, simply suggesting cards that are relatively cheaps is much, much better than simple going 'it's to slow', 'it's a worse version of souls sisters' and not giving constructive feedback.

Remember that not everyone is an expert in mtg, and some people play this game simply to have fun with their friend. I think some of you need to realise that and respect that.

Then tag it as casual also, because if this deck ever won a single round against a modern deck I would be surprised.

Are you seriously defining modern decks as having to win on turn 4? Have you ever watched a tournament for modern, because it sounds like you haven't, most games don't end on turn 4. There are probably thousands of modern decks that don't win on turn 4, are you saying all of those are shit? Are you saying this deck could not beat a single one of them? With a good hand this deck can probably win consistently on turn 7-8 which is pretty neat for a sub $50 deck, if you fail to see this then maybe you should stop replying to budget orientated decks and putting down people who are asking for advice.

By the way, I wasn't aware that mtgvault is only for competitive decks and any other deck that is more orientated towards casual players must be labeled as such.. Is labelling it as budget not enough? Does that not give you an indication that this might not be a competitive deck? Do you really expect people to use two out of their four tags just so you know it's a budget and causal deck? Seriously get a hold of yourself dude.

That's a problem of this site: That you a) have only 4 tags and b) no way beyond tags to mark decks as casual/competitive. If I spend my tags on format, casual/competitive and multiplayer/1vs1 (which is also important!) then I used up 3 of my 4 tags and still haven't decribed the actual deck!

Yeah, I think the site should give us more tags:

(1) for Format (EDH, Pauper, Standard, Modern, etc)
(1) For Casual -vs- Competitive
(4) for build details (e.g. Lifgain, Budget, 1vs1 / multiplayer / 2HG / etc, and so on)

BAsically, just two new tags, one for the type of deck, and one for why it's being designed.

Yea I agree that the issue is not enough tags, hopefully the developers of the site will look into this in the future.

I have played TONS of modern and watched even more... modern IS a turn 4 format for the most part, not in the sense of the games being over, but in the sense that normally by turn 4 the game is largely in favor of one player.(few exceptions for grindier decks like tron, control etc.)

But if you're playing burn, combo, tempo or aggro chances are by turn 4 you've either:
Won
Lost
out of gas and losing due to meh top decks
out gassed opponent and could win with any number of top decks.
opponents slower deck has fully stablized and you have almost no hope besides them making a bad read or mistake.

In the end even as a budget deck this deck could be MUCH better in a number of ways,
but the OP chooses to keep bad cards in like:
divinity
bliss
wall
sunbond
and too many copies of offering.

Can you PLEASE forget the "modern" tag or read the memo about this deck bein casual? Casual games aren't decided by turn 4 and Sunbonded Wall of Reverences are exactly the things that make casual tick. And, in an environment where you don't have do your money shot before turn 5 is exactly the environment where Recumbant Bliss is better than Journey into Nowhere.

You would be right if it was our goal to numbercrunch all the fun and creativity out if this deck until it could compete in a tournament. Which isn't what the Senress wants. Now, can we please all move on? There are lots of New and Unloved decks to check out!

He posted it on MTGsalvation also under modern deck creation, kids a troll and a terrible deck builder/fact.
There is nothing fun and creative about this deck besides chalice... which you could make a much better budget deck around...

So you are on a counter-trolling mission? Okay then, have fun.

Not trolling, just pointing how flawed and terrible this deck is.
one of the most flawed decks to make the hot page honestly.

Hot page means nothing - in fact, your posts is what keeps this in Hot Page ;)

I know they are.
doesn't make the deck less shit.

So you are saying you are super experienced with modern, well you sounds like an ignorant brat who is jealous that someone else's deck which isn't hyper competitive made it to the hot page, while all the decks you post don't make it there, let alone get more than one comment or like, probably because most of them are just copies of decks that already exists. If you really are someone who has been playing for ages, maybe you should take a step back and look at what magic is, it's a GAME! You are meant to have fun, fun building a deck, fun playing and it's lot always about winning.
If Senress makes a deck and is fine with it not being competitive why do you have to keep putting him down, how does that add to the discussion? Who made you the authority on deciding whether a deck is shit or good? How many Pro tours did you win again?Just because someone is less experienced than you doesn't mean that they are shit or that their ideas are worthless. You know how people get better at stuff? Practise and constructive criticism, key word being constructive criticism! Not you saying add this ' expensive card' it's 'better', actually explain to him why he needs it or give him a budget alternative since he wants to keep the price low. All you have done so far is compared this deck to soul sisters, which is deck you didn't even make yourself. This makes you sound like a 12 year old who's spoiled by his parents and always gets what he ask for.

I know I'm just feeding not the troll but seriously dude the discussion was over, we agreed there need to be more tags to better reflect what decks are about, but you just had to go ahead and start talking shit again...

The only problem with that it is a black card meaning I would need to splash in, but I will look at perhaps adding it. thanks for the comment.

Yeah it's All about getting 30 life and using that chalice of life/death

I did for a bit but I found that by the time I would have him out I would of won already with my other win conditions.

Hmm okay, any suggestions?

souls attendant

hmm what would you suggest?

Well, the Cache draw 2 for 3 mana and it works precisely because you have so much life gain. So, what would your "easy way to draw or search Chalice" be? Enlightened Tutor isn't Modern legal.