Surveil Dredge

by RisenDeep on 24 March 2020

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Deck Tags

  • Pioneer
  • Graveyard
  • Discard
  • Blue
  • Black

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Mana Symbol Occurrence

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Deck Format


Pioneer

NOTE: Set by owner when deck was made.

Card Legality

  • Not Legal in Standard
  • Not Legal in Modern
  • Legal in Vintage
  • Not Legal in Legacy

Deck discussion for Surveil Dredge

So...

Why not stream of thought?
It will be gold with mission briefing, as it can reshuffle mission briefing and mission briefing can get it back, which means you got a loop going that enables you to replay just about everything.
I've mentioned that it's great as a killcard in a deck where your have infinite mana.

I wonder if there might be a doomsday combo with it.

Anyways, I'm currently playing it in my own speed-mill and have listed 8 reasons to play the card already.

You might adapt it too if you try it out long enough :)

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Posted 10 July 2020 at 23:24

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Stream of Thought is Modern Horizons and not Pioneer legal

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Posted 15 July 2020 at 07:09

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Yeah, I'm starting to learn that.
I wonder why they made it "illegal" in the newest formats that were supposed to use the newest cards.
Only spreads confusion.

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Posted 15 July 2020 at 13:51

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Because of the power level of cards reprinted/ created in Modern Horizons. Opening the doors for another Force of Will in formats like Pioneer or even Standard is the last Wizards wants. Pioneer is made to limit the card pool for those players willing to play more advanced formats than standard but don't own the card base to do so as Modern was introduced to start from 8ED back in 2003 and so the card pool is not much newer than in Legacy or Vintage

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Posted 16 July 2020 at 06:21

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I'm not so sure it's that alone.
Jumpstart uses the same method but has no power level increase, and canynot be played in modern.

I suspect they are making each format unique for some reason. It could be as a respond to scryings, an oldschool format format made by players, to see if they can do something similar. (Creating a highly unique format)

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Posted 16 July 2020 at 16:45

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Jumpstart is not meant as a regular playset rather than a total new way of playing unique Magic games and so is not Standard, Pioneer or even Modern legal as well. With Jumpstart, you are grabbing two of a set of archetype decks, schuffle them together and play with what you get, this is how I understood the purpose of it

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Posted 17 July 2020 at 07:25

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It's pretty close to my project halfdeck which dates back some years.
Search for the tag halfdeck to see some. It was quite popular for a while until there was some format troubles and people lost track of it all.

It dates back to about 2012, but mtgvault got the recipe at about 2013.
Jumpstart might have been inspired by the concept.

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Posted 17 July 2020 at 07:35

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It probably was inspired

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Posted 17 July 2020 at 13:34

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I did my best to spread it. It never hit the tipping point of 150 people or it would have surfaced everywhere in 2013 and been dominant today.

But considering that I've long suspected some r&d to surveil this place, it was bound to happen.
The interesting thing is to find out when it might have happened.

Since mtgvault have had a quiet time recently and jumpstart is a new thing, the time it took to produce it might have taken long enough for it to overlap.

When did they announce the code phrase of the concept ? That's usually the time they start working on the set!

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Posted 17 July 2020 at 14:45

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From the MTG Wiki
"Jumpstart is a supplemental Magic booster set with mostly reprints and some new cards. It was intended to be released on June 26, 2020, but this was pushed back to July 17.[2][3][4][5][6] The set is closely tied to Core Set 2021 but is a stand-alone product. It melds an easy way of deckbuilding with the “shuffle up and play” speed of constructed. In this, it is similar to the Smash Up game of the Alderac Entertainment Group and Richard Garfield's KeyForge."

KeyForge came out 2018 but SmashUp already existed in 2012

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KeyForge
- https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/122522/smash

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Posted 20 July 2020 at 07:18

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Never seen smash up before, but if it's like my halfdeck concept it could also have inspired them.

Heh, googled it, and by the description of it it seems witch has either bought them or copied them.

But it's clear that magic has sort of inspired them as well.

But then again, they kept the tribes more open so that it sort of doesn't become totally the same.

So my idea was actually money worth. I really gotta get myself an influencer, cause I've had so many ideas through my life that I've seen surface some years after I've gotten them.

I got the idea of skins for items long before skins surfaced in computer games, but the concept is rather simple, any furniture, or shelf item should be made so that you could buy physical skins. Imagine if your ghettoblaster could be pimped like a car. Chairs would have different polsterings to choose from.

Imagine the whole world being "skinned" with personal preferences you could skin your entire home in gold glimmer look or pink or military camouflage, your kitchen could be filled with red/white candystriped items.

It would be a more selective world, but boy would it be fun to live in.


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Posted 20 July 2020 at 17:23

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