Puschkin, please help me!

I just realized that it looks as if I never helped the people that asked for help here, so I now decided to leave a message here as well.
The Psychopaths have been successfully made more psychotic and even spawned another deck :)

Hello Baron Vengeous, I helped on your deck but you never replied, are you ok?

Type 2:
I loathe that format. Way too narrow card pool and not much room for innovation because those damn block mechanics dictate what to play. Type II is kindof preconstructed by R&D so they have complete control over our purchases. And it gets worse with each edition.

Competitive:
I left the tournament scene about 10 years ago and never looked back. While I might still give semi-solid advice, I don't feel competent enough to comment on decks that someone plans to play in a serious environment where prices and ranking points are on the stack. Casual is my expertise and it is so for a reason, I have a deep knowlegde of obscure cards and talent to see decks as a whole and to build them in way that has flavour but is still effective - just not effective enough to compete with tourney level decks.

With me and competitive I do not have the money to make a 500 dolor deck

Yeah same here.

Fortunately my collection is huge by now. The great thing for me is:
I don't care for tourneys anymore and never cared for Type II. This allows me to feed off of competitive players. What I do: I still buy 0,5-1,5 displays per edition (depending on size and how much I like it) but when opened I sell most expensive cards right away as long as they are still hot. So I get some hundred cards for a fraction of what those some hundred + a dozen would have costed me. The kicker: When those dozen cards drop in value after they rotated out of Type II I can pick them up for cheap :)
Of course some cards never drop in value but by now I am experienced enough to second guess which cards that will be, so I don't sell them in the first place.

That's a beautiful way to run things!

Unfortunately, the one thing that cannot be had but must be bought I lack ... dual lands. Grr.

I miss the old cards. Sure, the art is a helluva lot better on new cards, but sadly, some of those cards seem intentionally overpowered. What ever happened to fighting against rich kid syndrome?

I do like Type II for keeping the prices of good but unnoticed cards down.

Well, my help is technically offered for free but I still hope that people get interested in my own decks and comment on them ...
... anyway, I will check up your Sushi deck soon.

Sushi deck? It has a name, already? Yeah...spreading algae is a really good card, not surprised really, that a deck with that card would be named. Or is that your universal name for cheesy decks?

And as spoken before, i feel intimidated offering advice to you. As i am sure, other's are too.

Mainly because i feel, that no matter what cards i suggest, you are smart, and have already considered them.
Plus, you run a lot of decks with cards that only have 1 copy of them. And that throws my simple brain for a loop. But sure, I can try to offer advice. :)

I guess...basic advice...is that if you run 1 copy of a card, make very sure you have a search engine to be able to access it.

Anyways, this is the deck link:
http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/spreading-dingus/

Check out my new deck,
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/shared-fate/
you will fall off your chair :)

He did help out. A lot. Puschkin is awesome at doing that.

Here is overall advice i would suggest...that works for me.
I played back during Urza's Saga. Then I quit. My friend (whom i use to play with back in highschool/urza saga) found me about 2 years ago...and just up and give me all of his cards. Thousands of new cards (because he never quit playing into Worldwake/Zendikar...i had never used or even heard of. So it got me back into Magic. This is what I improved on after getting back into Magic:

Tempo.

Google it...maybe. It means different things to different people.
To me it means this: every turn be able to play something good and make your opponent answer to you...not him cast threat after threat that you have to deal with. You do that to him!
It sounds simple, at first.
But being able to do something every turn, that is better than what you opponent is trying to do every turn...it can get tricky.
I mean...your first turn you play a really solid creature, and during your opponent's first turn he nukes the creature...see what i mean? That is what Puschkin was saying...people are going to bring creature hate/artifact hate/enchantment hate. On your second turn, you have to keep bringing the pressure/tempo by playing another really good card that makes your opponent scared/or have to answer to. If you play a card, and your opponent immediately feels he has to try to remove it...then you are doing something right. If you can do that every single turn, then you are definitely doing something right.

In other words...tempo isn't about speed, necessarily, but about being able to consistently play better cards than your opponent.

Mana ramp and drawing power is keys to tempo. So are midrange/game decks. So, you are already off to a good start.

Here is what I try to have in almost every deck i Build:
---Cards that draw
---Cards that search for your cards
---Mana ramp
---Creature disruption cards
---Artifact/Enchantment cards.
---Two win conditions. Having just one win condition is weak.

Finally, with that said, it is also about balance. What the hell are you going to do, for example, if you have 20 cards in your deck with Mana Ramp...but have no high priced mana card to use all the mana ramp with?
Same with drawing cards...if you have 20 cards that draw you cards...and have no mana to play them...then it is wasteful and your opponent will gain the tempo advantage...and instead of him answering your threats...you will have to try to be answering his every turn. Not a good place to be.

Sorry Puschkin, for not having my own page for advice.
Just throwing my two cents out there.

:0) thank u again!!

Mimedicgrl:
How did it work out? We'd like to hear your stories of smashed machismo egos :)

About tempo:
Yes, that is a valuable lesson, tempo isn't speed and it's hard to explain. Basically you play ping-pong with your opponent, one of you will be the aggressive player and the other on the defensive (even in control vs control matchups), one of you will have the initiave and the other one has to respond and answer threats. Cards like Flametongue Kavu are so popular not because they are fast (FTK isn't fast by any standard) but because he is able to gain tempo advantage: He neutralizes an opposing threat and is a threat by himself that has to be answered.
So, if your opponent started and played a creature every turn and you killed that creature every turn with Lightning Bolt, Terminate and Earthquake, then both of you might have only lands in play but your opponent is always one step ahead and forcing you to react. Now, if he plays another creature and you FTK it, then it's you that has a creature in play he has to react to. He can play a creature himself but yours will be able to attack first. You just gained tempo advantage.

This also worked out well with lots of people contributing :)

Another basic question:
Pacifism and Spirit Link...if i play them on my opponent's creatures, they still count toward Ethereal Armor./Eidolon of Countless Battles right?

Of course. You still own and control them.
Checking out the rest later.

1)
Example 1: Yes.

Example 2: Yes. The Shieldmate has Totemarmour so when the Mother *would* die, the enchantment is destroyed as a replacement effect.

2)
No. It's actually like morph: Bestow is an alternate casting cost so you either play the Shieldamte for W and it is a creature or for the bestow cost and then it starts as an aura (you need a legal target).

3) Wouldn't say Umbra Mystic hurts but also doesn't really help, it just means if a Wrath of God or something like this happens you'll keep the creatures that are currently enchanted and lose the enchantments. Without the Mystic you would lose the current creatures but the enchantments that were bestowed are saved and revert to creatures. In the case of Ethereal Armour the Mystic isn't bad but in the case of the Eidolon you'd probably be better of without the Mystic.

Will look into the deck later.

Another question...that you may have answered up above.

1. Shieldmate...if you do not pay the bestow cost. He is considered just a creature, right? Not an Enchantment?
2. Or if the creature he enchants dies, and goes to being a creature...he is not, at all, considered any type of Enchantment, right?

Then yes...I am iffy with Umbra Mystic, for sure.

1) Not so sure about this one but i think it's just a creature.
2) He will be an enchantment and a creatures:
9/15/2013: If a permanent with bestow enters the battlefield by any method other than being cast, it will be an enchantment creature.
That actually implies that 1) is correct.

Question:

Master Biomancer and Joraga Warcaller.

What happens in this situation?

1) Turn 4 play Master Biomancer.
2) Turn 5 play Joraga Warcaller and kick it twice when it comes into play (total of 5 mana).

What are both of their offenses/defenses?
How does the kicker effect, if at all, the Biomancer's offense/defense?

Vice versa:

1) Turn 5 I play Joraga Warcaller and kick him twice. He is a 3/3. Correct?
2) Turn 6. I play Master Biomancer. What is he? A 5/7. Correct?

If you play the Biomancer first, the Warcaller will come into play with FOUR counters (2 from the kicker and another two by the Biomancer who has power 2 by the time you play Warcaller and when it comes into play). When Warcaller has entered play, it boosts Biomancer's power to 6. If you play another Warcaller now and kick it two times, it will get 8 counters.

So, Warcaller would be a 5/5.
The Biomancer 6/8

Is that correct?

And, if, after that, I play another Warcaller kicked two times....what will be their offense/defense. I am an idiot...so if you could actually, if you would...do it in this form 1. First Warcaller x/x. 2. Biomancer x/x 3. Second Warcaller x./x.

1. First Warcaller?
2. Biomancer?
3. Second Warcaller?

I don't understand which part you don't understand. Just add the Warcaller's kicker and the power of the Biomancers in play. The only tricky part is that the Warcaller bonus for elfs doesn't count while it is on the stack.

Sorry...i must be mentally slow. lol
It is confusing to me.

Please be patient with me. :)

So, if a Warcaller is a 5/5.
And Biomancer is 6/8.

And I kick another Warcaller twice. The results would be:
1st Warcaller 7/7
Biomancer would be 8/10
The new Warcaller would start out as 1/1 (get pumped +2/+2 from first Warcaller), to a 3/3 (then he would be pumped up 8 because of Biomancer's power) to a 11/11 (then he would get +2/+2, from the kicker) 13/13.

Is that right?
Again, be patient with me.

"The only tricky part is that the Warcaller bonus, for elfs, doesn't count while it is on the stack."
Could you explain, to someone who is mentally slow, the implications of that?

No :)
You have to distinguish between the bonus from Warcaller and +1/+1 counters. The Warcaller pumps other elves for each counter on it while the Biomancer puts additional counters on new Warcallers according to it's total power. Here a breakdown:

STEP1:
Cast Warcaller A, kicked twice. He will be a 1/1 + 2 counters = 3/3

STEP 2:
Cast a Biomancer. He will be 4/6 (no counters)

STEP 3:
Cast Warcaller B, kicked twice. He will be a 1/1 plus 2 from Warcaller A => 3/3 plus 2 counters from kicker plus 4 counters from Biomancer since that has currently power 4 (boosted by Warcaller A but not B because B is still on the stack when calculating the Biomancers power) = 9/9 (of which 6 are counters)

Biomancer gets another +6 because Warcaller B has 6 counters, boosting him to 6/12 (no counters).

Warcaller A also gets the bonus from Warcaller B but NOT in the form of counters, so he will now be 9/9 (but still only 2 counters).

Step 4:
Cast a Zameck Guildmage. He will be 10/10 (no counters) because Warcaller A and B have a total of 8 counters.

Step 5:
Cast a Spike Feeder. He will be 12/12, all of which are counters, because he gets 8 from Biomancers power and two from itself but he isn't an elf.

Step 6:
You have 5 cards in hand and cast a Realm Seekers. How big will he be?

I tried making a Red/Blue deck but I just did not like playing it. I think I have a soft spot for Green and White. Though I do have a Black/White rat deck that I am fond of.
I tried making a Zombie Deck and a Goblin deck and I did not like those. Also when it comes to EDH I try not to use the current popular commanders like Naya because everyone that I play with already is using her as theirs.
So checking out your decks is pretty cool because you use a large variation of cards :)

Oh I forgot to mention that I really like the card you chose for this "Deck" :D

Thanks^^

Commented on the Frenemies deck. I'll do the EDH tomorrow, it will take some time.

Just saying if you don't want it to show the colors of the deck you can put the cards in the sideboard and it will still show a picture and such but it won't show color just sayin

Thanks for all the help with "Frenemies" I have added some of your suggestions.

Also I realize that the card "Misguided Rage" would not be a good addition to this deck ;D
The flavor text in "Dismal Failure" is actually some good advice.

Either way thanks for all the help "Venerated Teacher" ;D ;D

Zia, you are new here. So, i will boost your confidence.
Puschkin rarely supports a deck/likes it/gives really good reviews.

So...when he gave such kind words to your Frenemies deck..take it as you are doing something right. That you are definitely on the right track!

Good luck!

Thank you so much :D
(Also nice job on finding all these great named cards for this "Deck"! L
ol)

Later. I am now off to watch my country enter the round of sixteen :)

Which country is that?
We in the states, do not follow soccer as much as the world does.
But I think USA is in the round of 16 too.
Think we had to face Germany.

And germany is my nation ;) We beat you, but the USA still made it into the round of 16.

Small world! :)
Yeah, i did read that we were hoping for a tie with Germany. But that Germany had lost a few matches...had something to prove, and wasn't just going to be satisfied with a tie.
I don't blame them.
Congrats!

ITS NOT SOCCER ITS FOOTBALL

Semantics. lol

Just like American Football should be called "Hand Ball" because the ball is rarely kicked.

Ugh, it's only called soccer because Americans have Football, and like you said, it's not really Football at all.

Ugh, please not that discussion again ... I am not into football ("soccer") anyway but attend these games anyway for the party, chips & beer :)

Anyway, jgee70, your deck has been doctored :)

Free beer and chips!

I thought there was a difference in pronunciation. football vs fuutball.

I think there is. At least in the states. We jokingly call soccer "Fuutball."

Fuutball! Whoo-Hoo!

I just had a glimpse at your deck, I'll need some more time for it. Today's my second wedding anniversary ... if I want to celebrate a third one I can't spent more time on Magic today :P

Deck that needs help is Pyromania (not the spellflinger edition, the original), I got the Dracos now and need to work them in. However, judging by your deck you seem to enjoy trickier decks. So, instead I'd like you to have a look on this puppy:
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/maralen-lockdown/

You are probably the only one on this site to comment on that one ...

The Fog Bank shouldn't die. Who said so?

10/4/2004: All damage being dealt to you at one time gets redirected to one Pariah. If you take 3 damage at once, all 3 damage goes to one Pariah. If you take damage from multiple creatures in combat, all the combat damage goes to one Pariah.

So, it is still combat damage and therefore should be prevented.

"What do you mean by combining it with fog bank? Fog Bank's ability only prevents combat damage dealt to/by fog bank. Any other damage (including re-directed damage via Pariah) will instantly kill the fog bank. And in the case I'm wrong about the re-directed damage, the fog bank will still die whenever any other damage source hits the enchantment-controlling player."

Someone on the Gatherer wrote that.

Another question ( i know, we haven't fully answered the Fog Bank question).

Pariah attached to Stuffy Doll.
What happens?
Several people say the damage redirected to Stuffy Doll will go to the opponent...but someone on the Gatherer is saying this:

"The damage to stuffy doll doesn't redirect, it simply deals damage whenever it is damaged. It will take damage from pariah and then deal the damage to you. Then pariah will deal that damage to stuffy doll and then stuffy doll will attempt to deal damage to you, thus triggering pariahs damage affect again. So basically its an infinite loop and you'll have to either call it a draw or ignore it."

That guy on Gatherer is right if other damage like a Lighting Bolt will be redirected to the Fog Bank - then it is dead. However, in your example you are talking of three separate attacking 1/1 creatures, those won't kill Fog Bank.

Stuffy Doll:
It depends on who controls the Stuffy Doll.
Pariah redirects to to the creature it enchants. Stuffy doesn't redirect - that's right. It just deals as much damage as it receives to the opponent you selected when Stuffy Doll came into play.
However, this assumes you placed Pariah on your own Stuffy Doll. One Pariah trick is to play it on opponent's creature. Next time you receive damage it will be redirected to the opponent's creature, eventually killing it. Now, if you play a Pariah on an opponent's Stuffy Doll. If you receive damage, this will indeed cause an infinite loop of damage.

Germany and USA can meet again but only in the finals ... so I doubt that'll happen :P

Your horrible deck (pun intended!) has been commented :)

I don't see why you wouldn't be allowed to pay that alternative cost. Not 100% sure, though.

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/mad-propetic-skills/

Here is the deck that inspired the last few questions I asked. I need lots of help on this deck. You will have fun picking it apart. But i do think it is a start of a decent deck.

I did my best but combo isn't my cup of tea.
You might want to check out this deck:
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/maralen-lockdown/

Always glad to help veterans back into play! Suggestions have been made, check it out, should run smoother and faster now but the theme has been kept intact. The deck is now Modern, though, and you have to invest a buck or two.

In theory the "Unloved" tab is the place where players can ask for help. But to my experience, most useres here just flock to the "Hot" and maybe "New" decks like moths.
Maybe it would help if "Unloved" is the default tab instead of "Hot".

Hell, I even got downvoted recently (on my Mutant Ninja Turtle deck) for asking advice for one of my OTHER decks (Static deck)!! So yes, not sure where to ask advice at.

I totally get being downvoted for posting your deck link, on another person's hot deck, without suggesting cards/advice...but to get downvoted on posting links to one of your own decks, i do not get it.

That person probably didn't check if you are the same person as the deck you were commenting on.

BTW, you can also add a "help" tag to your decks that you want people to help. But I still think that the people wanting help outnumber the people that are willing to help other by huge margins. And I also sense that only a select few will actually use the tags as search criteria.

It was downvoted twice, or else I would think the same thing Puschkin :)

And i think you are right in your assumptions about the help tag and margin of people wanting help/versus wanting to help.

Hmm ... time to petition the devs!

Also, hot decks tend to be based on amazing one-hit wonders, not balanced ideas. That's not bad, but building a budget modern deck that can kick some butt and is original doesn't seem to get the likes that it should.

I don't care about likes. Nobody should - it's a meaningless number. All that counts is comments with suggestions and critique. This site should be a place where decks are forged and ideas shared, instead users treat it like Facebook and start popularity contests.

But I don't think the devs can do much about it. "Social" media is like cancer.

KnightoftheHokeyPokey....you are a young fellow, but are very smart with your comments. I wish I could upvote your comment 5 more times!!!

So many of the hot decks are one hit wonders. They run hardly any threat removal.
This is my FAVORITE line from Standard players, "I don't run any artifact/enchantment hate in my deck, no one does."

Apparently, they do not make game changing Artifact/Enchantment cards like Moat/Propaganda/Ensnaring Bridge anymore.
Standard is all about over powered creature cards, i guess.

Damn cancer!!!

Hmm ... to be fair, I prefer tailoring my main deck hate to fit the situation. Generally, I have something like disenchant to crush the lofty dreams of opposing combo players. :)

About that cancer ....overpowered creatures ... don't tell me about it.

I have 4 or 5 Planeswalkers (that was given to me) and i REFUSE to use them, just for that very reason!

Hey now ... Chandra, Pyromaster and underpowered burn spells like fire axe balances out. :)

Whoever printed Jace, the Mind Sculptor has no soul.

I have 2 different Chandra cards. Not sure of their names, though.

Well ... they are both called Chandra. :)

Ob Nixilis, Unshackled.

New M15 card. I want to make a deck around him...namely, making my opponent search his library (thus doing 10 damage to himself)...but i can't find cards that make opponent search his own library.

Thing is, Fertilid is the only card in Magic I can find.

Even with Ob Nixilis in play, Fertilid can kill the opponent with 4 mana.

Thing is, with only one card that makes opponent search his library...Ob Nixilis is iffy, you know what i mean?
Isn't there cards that make you/opponent copy a spell?
So, if i used 2 mana to take a counter off of Fertilid, to make opponent search his library (thus, via Ob Nixilis, losing 10 life) could I copy that spell?

Again, it seems very iffy.

At best, with these two cards as my only win condition (i don't have to tell such a balanced player/deck builder how weak that is):

Turn1. Birds of Paradise
Turn2. Sylvan Caryatid
Turn 3. Dark Ritual into Ob Nix.
Turn 4. Fertilid, pay 4 mana to make opponent search library twice (20 damage).

That crap will never happen against a good player. Doom Blade, Counter, Lightning Bolt, etc etc etc.

You see a way to make Ob Nix viable?

What about Maralen of the Mornsong?

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/4-brutal-blackgreen-combos/

Made this, instead. Tell me what you think. :)

This is my 2,000 post. Yippie me, for having no life! :)

What about corpsejack menace. =).

If only one could take control of a player for a turn ....

Wait, there is a way this could work.

Pretty sure (99 percent) that there is a card that let's you take your opponent's turn. Just forgot the name of it. I think there is more than one card that does that.
Sorin Markov is one of them.

That sounds like a soul-destroying deck design! I'm all for it!

mind slaver i think its called

There we go!

"but i can't find cards that make opponent search his own library. "

Ahem.

- Fertilid
- Maralen the Mornsong
- Collective Voyage

And there are more cards where searching is a *may* but it would be a huge drawback if he doesn't. For example
- Boldwyr Heavyweights
- Noble Benefactor
- Veteran Explorer
- Arcum Dragsson
- Oath of Lieges
- From the Ashes
- Path to Exile
- Ghost Quarter

mind slaver lets you take control of your opponents turn

I knew of Fertilid and Mornsong (I mentioned them), but did not know of Collective Voyage...but the opponent can choose not to search his library if he pays 0 mana, right?

So really, there are only two cards in magic that force opponent to search his library....which limits Ob Nixilis.

Mindslaver does work. Thanks magicmaster13 for searching that one out! But...only issue I now see with that is: IF i control my opponent's turn...i still have to make him search his library. If he has no search engines...then it won't work. If he does have search engines, it would be game over, for sure!!! And you are right, Puschkin, the "may search" cards will never really be useful (for Ob Nixilis) because your opponent will choose not to use them.

I might try to make the deck, as limited as it was. I wanted to try to be original and make a deck around a new M15 card, and the Ob Nixilis one looked promising.

Thanks Puschkin (as always) and magicmaster13!

Read Collective Voyage again: Each player searches his library for X lands where X is the TOTAL amount of mana paid. So, if you payed any mana, it doesn't help your opponent if he doesn't pay mana, he will at least have to search for whatever you payed for. So, this is a forced search for 2 mana.

Damn, are you a lawyer, Puschkin? lol
You should be!!
Fine print is everything! :)
The deck is slowly going together.

So far:
3 Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
4 Collective Voyage
4 Fertilid
4 Maralen the Mornsong
3 (optional, right now) Mindslaver

One win condition down. Need another one just if the remove Ob Nixilis, Unshackled from the game.
Again, thanks Puschkin.

Puschkin, this one is all you, friend.
You helped make it.

Yeah ... that's why I love the join forces mechanic! It makes games so much more interesting. Good cards give you option.

Yeah, later. First, let me go watch my country becoming world champion :)

Good luck!!! They have to be the ugliest set of dudes I have ever seen, but man they can play some Soccer!
Like Military style! Precise, exact, calculating.

Puschkin are you German or Argentinian?

German. He gave Brazil gonorrhea.

And look up at the comment above, about the team being super ugly. Then google the german team. You will see what i am talking about :)

Congrats Puschkin!!!
Germany beats Argentina 1-0

Whoo! Germany won!

1-0. That sounded super exciting!!
I am use to American Football...where the scores are 42-21. lol
Watching 3 hours of sports for 1 goal sounds super boring :)

Germany shot at the goal 20+ times ... =P.

With that said, Argentina had an awesome goal keeper.

Man ... that makes me remember the USA's match.

Yeah USA's goalkeeper is pretty freaking awesome too.

Those poor goalkeepers ... they did an awesome job, but their team didn't score. :(

Actually this game was very exciting. It doesn't matter how many goals they score, a game can be exciting or boring wether it ends 1-0 or 4:2.

About the uglieness of the german players: I always thought, to some degree it is required to be ugly if you are a professional football player :) While some are indeed not good looking, others are quite handsome. Ask your wife if she thinks Hummels is ugly :)

I will not ask my wife!! She will start image searching him! lol.

There wasn't much I could do for you with these restrictions but I tried my best.

+1 for you, Puschkin!

http://www.mtgvault.com/knightofthehokeypokey/decks/bugetepic-controlled-burn/

I beat Puschkin to the punch!!!
I suggested a card, or two, for you!

Hahaha ... this isn't even your article deck. Your journey to the dark side is now complete.

I had a hangover from celebrating :)

I assumed that, when Germany won, i thought, "Won't be hearing from Puschkin for awhile!"

You mean a shock card that acts like Dragon's Breath in it's ability to come back?

Something like Death Spark...but you have no creatures.
I always liked Hammer of Bogardan...it doesn't come back free...but it comes back over and over and over and, you yep, you guessed it, over. I don't think that is exactly what you are looking for, though.

Punishing Fire
Rekindled Flame
Hammer of Bogardan
Pulse of the Forge

Thanks Puschkin! You are awesome.

Wow! I managed yo upvote you 3 times!

Hmm ... no. The card's location has not changed so it entered the battlefield from another zone. It just changed owners.

He is correct. However, that creature still "enters play on your side" which means the creature has summoning sickness again.

You wouldn't have to sac an artifact. Also, are you referring to Torpor Orb?

Plus now, a new card. A creature with built in Torpor Orb, hell yes!!
Hushwing Gyrff

Hushwing Gyrff + Torpor Orb = Fatties all day long!

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/m15-hushwing-meets-torpor-orb/

Build it and they will come

Man ... you are crazy in M15. Is there no to this madness?! :)

Yes, will be my last deck for awhile. Wife complaining...blah blah "you spend no time with me...blah...blah...all you do is magic...blah blah blah.."

Hope it was good enough for your approval :)

Of course it is. The only complaint I have is that you are breaking the m15 environment! :)

He is correct again, you don't have to sacrirfice anything in this case. Phyrexian Dreadnought should go up in price once again.

If people now what's good for them ... yes.

I wonder what other creatures might fit in here?

No rush .... I see what you did there. :)

Ha! Somebody noticed!

Erm ... you deleted my comments so I comment again!?

Oh, sorry. I deleted the W/R/G version of the deck, and your comments went with it. It isn't so much a new deck as a revamped version of the old one that dropped white, like you said. I did not intend to sucker you into anything, I just thought this would be easiest.

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um this is a help deck hokey

Or, do like me, when he helps you develop a deck, give him credit in your Deck Description.

Question, Walking Sponge.
IF you target a creature (tap Sponge), is it considered a legal target if the creature doesn't have trample/flying/first strike? Or will it still be considered legal and just do nothing to the opponent creatures.

Trying to make a new deck. Idea is this: I have Cowardice in play.
I target a creature with my Walking Sponge...but my opponent doesn't have a creature with flying/first strike/trample. Can i still hit my opponent's creature, and if so, would Cowardice make the opponent's creature be bounced to opponent's hand?

The problem in this case: iqee's deck doesn't have a description and the the deck itself looks very generic, I don't really know what to suggest.

Walking Sponge:
You can target a Grizzly Bear with it if you want, it will just have no effect. It says "Target creature loses ...", if there were any restrictions which it can target, then that would have been mentioned between "target" and "creature". For example "Target creature with flying loses flying until end of turn".
Likewise you can use Maze of Ith on a Serra Angel. Maze says "Untap target attacking creature", so the only restriction is that the creature you target is attacking.

So, yes, Walking Sponge works with Cowardice. However, I am sure you can find something better that still targets creatures but doesn't tap, so you can use it multiple times per turn. Unnatural Selection for example.

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/spongebobs-bikini-bottom-bash/

And look at my first comment. It is a themed deck...but with Acorn Catapult, Walking Sponge, and Sand Squid...maybe Cowardice could make Spongebob actually a good one.

I know nothing of Spongebob and wouldn't know what to contribute.

If you made toy story ... you would need artifact creatures. Clockwork beast = Rex, Clockwork Gnomes = Troll Doll, Phyrexian Destroyer = R.V. =)

Puschkin, you could just check for the mechanics of the cards/combos..and see if they work. I suck at rules. So...as far as I know..the deck won't even work.

Toy Story...interesting!!

And here comes another deck ...

+1 for saying that, dude!

And you weren't rude in the first place, this "deck" is one of the few where you are supposed to ask for help.

So I am a a teacher that is proctoring an elective with MTG which again I am new to. The students are the teachers in this case lol. Looking at yours I see only one or 2 gree. What about Green Sun's Zenith? Please forgive my novice opinion. :/

Hello, I again apologize. So my story is that I work in a school where I see many student's playing MTG. So I decided to offer an elective where they can play one another. In this case I am a student and they are the teacher. I will say that I am lost in the understanding of the game however, I do enjoy making decks based on themes. (Humans and Knights because that's what I think I know)? lol. I do enjoy learning from my students and will continue to. However I am still a novice and learning the game. Thanks for being patient. Gee

Um .... YES! Circle of flame's ability resolves first, and then Polymorph's Jest goes off. Your opponent's creatures still have 1 wound apiece on them!

But it ALSO works if you cast it AS they are attacking, which puts it on the stack right above the damage-dealing ability.

Either way, unless they have an instant-speed counter, every creature they have is screwed, even they are Emkraul the Aeons torn and 22 other buddies put onto the field with Spawnshire of Umalog. Epic material right there. And even if they do, you just played this in a counter burn deck, right? What are the odds that you have a counterspell in hand?

I will give you help, without even looking at it...if it is zombies, then take out your wallet, and be prepared to pay for some expensive cards. :)

It has Ensoul Artifact in it. As I have said to a few others...Ensoul Artifact and Chief Engineer...two cards to buy right now...they might get expensive in a few years. For sure.

nooo noo only phylactery lich you got it all wrong

and ensoul artifact most underrated cark evah

Ahem*

Ensoul Artifact + Darksteel Relic = Broken

I will definitely be responding/liking them all.
I owe you more than that much.
Might be a day or two...but i will get to them.

I will get to them too! Just as soon as I plow through Northy's deckathlon!

It's actually Modern? I commented anyway.

Take it somewhere else ... your main combo doesn't work :P
Lifeline has errata, for obvious reasons. See comment in your deck.

"take it somewhere else..."
Indeed. lol.

It is done. Check it out.
Would love to see a Lifeline deck from you, Puschkin, it seems something you could like.

Actually, no, it's too combo-riffic for me. It affects all players, which is dangerous, so you are forced to play it straight which means you'll have to win shortly after it hit play with some sort of semi-infinite loops. Not exactly what I like ...
but I have multiplayer-friendly Enduring Renewal deck which I could post here, it should be similar in style.

Post it :)

http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/enduring-the-renewal/

No, every activation. For example sacrificing a land to Zuran Orb is an activation of an artifact.
If you see a ":" on a card, then it has an activated ability. Left of the ":" you've got the cost, right to it the effect. It doesn't matter if paying mana, tapping, discarding, paying life or whatever is the cost, it's still activating.

Thanks, once again.

Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient

That is the card in question. Was thinking about trying to take advantage of that card.

What about cards that tap. Is that activated abilities too?

Like Power Matrix, artifact, tap it to give a creature +1/+1, trample, flying, first strike.

So, If Kurkesh is in play. Power Matrix is in play. And two creatures are in play.

1) Can I tap Power Matrix and pay 1 red mana (via Kurkesh) to give the two of my creatures the pump up that Power Matrix provides?

2) Or would just one of my creatures get the pump up Power Matrix provides?

1) yes.
2) Kurkesh explicitly says that you can pick a new target for the copied effect - which could be a different creature or the same.

Urza's Blueprints would be a nice target.

But when looking for cards to combo with Kurkesh, you should not only look at cards with simple tap as activation - yes, it's cheap and the tap is supposed to limit it's use, therefore copying the effect is good. However, there is also a lot potential in artifacts that do have hefty costs to activate (and therfore powerful effects) because you only copy the effect. Best example would be Time Vault: You skip a turn once but then you can activate it and copy the effect, getting 2 extra turns and use one of them to untap it - would mean unlimited turns for you. Unfortunately, Time Vault is a $300+ card. But you know what I mean and what to look for.

Indeed....something that says, Pay 5 mana, tap to do x. 5 mana is very extreme...but for 1 more mana you get to copy that 5 mana spell.
Like Mindslaver...would also get you two turns.

Someone suggested run Kurkesh and Echo Mage together...with a bunch of cheap burn/bounce/

I am thinking your way though, Puschkin. Make use of those overly priced Artifacts

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/786090/

Fodder cannon looks nice...so far. Sack a creature, pay 5 mana, do 8 damage. Not too bad. Add some Shrapnel Blast and Reckless Abandon...feel your library with 0 casting cost Artifacts..that is one option.

Another option is stuff like Mindslaver and Time Vault

Echo mage has to be turned into an artifact with liquimetal coating or mycosynth lattice first.

Nice catch :)

Another question.
I have Kurkash out.
I have Keening Stone out.
My opponent has 10 cards in his graveyard.

I pay 5 mana and tap Keening stone. Plus I pay 1 mana to Kurkash to copy it. What happens?
Does my opponent mill 10 cards for each spell?
Or is it 1) Mill 10 cards for the 5 mana and 2) Mill 20 cards (since 20 cards would be in the library because of the first mill)? for the 1 mana?

In other words, Would it Mill my opponent 20 cards or 30 cards?

30. It's two separate effects that resolve separately as if you would activate 2 Keening Stones.

Very cool. Maybe play kobolds/free 0 power creatures...hide behind Thran Weaponry and Meekstone.

See...I just passed a damn kidney stone (a wonderful first time experience for me, three days ago, still sore as hell). And want to try and do a Kidney Stone deck. Use as many cards with the word "stone" in the name.

Thran Weaponry/Meekstone shuts down creatures 3/3 or greater. My Kobolds, being 0/1 (or Ornithopter/Shield Sphere/Wall of Stone/Flowstone Wall), will be pumped up to 2/3 with Thran Foundry while all my opponent's creatures (if they are 1/1) will be pumped up to 3/3 or greater, and will not be able to untap if they attack me.

Plus throw down a Weakstone/Meekstone combo (along with my walls and kobolds with chump blocking)...now all creatures power or 3 or greater won't untap (via Thran Weaponry) if they attack me...and all creatures with power or 2 or less will have their power reduced by 1 if they attack me (via Weakstone). Let Weakstone/Meekstone/Thran Foundry hold my opponent off while I get Kurkash and my milling stones to running.

Maybe I am trying to put too many stones in the idea.

Thoughts?

And Sandstone Needle for land.
Maybe Sunstone/Snow lands (though that would definitely be against having a lot of mana for Kurkesh/milling).

Mana ramp like Seething Song, maybe, to get the flow going. Or maybe better, Worn Powerstone (stone...in the name). With all the free mana stuff...I could afford to lose my Turn 3 to play it. And assuming land drops every turn, Turn 4 would give me 6 mana. That is Keening Stone on Turn 4.

Maybe...if I play Keening Stone...play Lodestone Bauble...once several lands are in the graveyard...to stack my opponent's library (top of it) with lands...like Plow Under idea. With Kurkash and Lodestone Bauble...you would put 8 land cards on top of the opponent's library for 2 mana.

Unfortunately, that's too many things you want to do at the same time. I see one Stone deck with Keening Stone as the central card (augmentd with Kurkesh) and another deck built around Meekstone, smaller creatures and cards that alter power and toughness. Meekstone would do good in the first one, too, of course.

I was thinking as much...I might add them all to the deck...and start taking cards out.

Another neat idea (sorry to rant...when i come up with ideas that i like...i start ranting and raving)...would be the kobolds/thran weaponry/meekstone combo..if my Kobolds/Ornithopter are all 2/3...I could throw down stuff like Pyroclasm to wreck havoc. All of my opponent's weaker creatures are killed...and his larger creatures can't attack unless they want to remain tapped.

Does the Keening Stone/Lodestone Bauble idea seem possible? I know stacking cards back on the library is sorta against the idea of mill...but putting 8 land cards on my opponent's library (on top)...while nuking all the stuff he has on the board...it could halt the game for him.

Speaking of Lodestone Bauble...I could add Stoneshaker Shaman (another "stone") to the mix. Each turn everybody has to sack a land. So...stall the board with Meekstone/Thran Foundry/pyroclasm...and just keep nuking lands (untapped)...then play Lodestone Bauble and make my opponent have 4 land on top of his library. Since all of my stuff is free and/or remains untapped (via Meekstone) and my opponent's is not...lands will be more vital to my opponent. Issue would be untapped lands...and no mana burn. They would just tap all of their lands.

Another Idea if I play with Thran Foundry/Meekstone. Give my Stonehands (starting to see a theme here, lol?) to my kobold and pump him up and attack. End of turn, his power is reduced back down to 2, and I can untap him (he will escape the power of 3 offense and Meekstone). Or...put it on my opponent's creature!! If he attacks, I pump up the creature before his next upkeep with power of 3...and it doesn't untap (via Meekstone)! Or give one of my Walls Stonehands. Nuke any of the opponent's creatures that try to attack. It is great late game mana use if you topdeck (looking for stone cards that let me draw) and have loads of mana lying around.

This deck may indeed...to fit all of the "stones' and ideas into it...maybe be a 1 and 2 copy of cards sorta deck.

Of course this deck is causal...all of these combos involving 3 and 4 cards to work (as well as a lot of mana).

I wouldn't go with Kobolds or 'Thopters. First, you'll just drop them first turn and then have to wait a few turns for the support cards to arrive - by then you could have played a couple of creatures that cost 1 mana and actually do something on their own (preferably producing mana). Secondly, the beauty of Thran Foundry is that you can chose whether you untap it or not! This means, your creatures could actually have a regular power of 2, boosted to 4 with Foundry. Then, in your untap step, you untap Foundry first, your creatures are back to power 2 and therefore untap, too.
So, I see a red/green deck with mana elves and Kird Apes instead of Kobolds plus Meekstone and Thran Foundry for midgame and Keening Stone and Kurkesh for the endgame. Then add some filler cards, preferably ones that also combo with Kurkesh and have a beneficial effect that helps you getting your stuff together like card drawers, searchers, mana rampers etc.

EDIT:
You don't need Lodestone Bauble in that. Once the Keening Stone gets going, you'll mill him VERY fast. In fact, Lodestone Bauble works against Keening Stone in TWO ways: It reduces the amount of cards you mill each turn AND the next activation will mill away all the lands you just stacked anyway.

Sounds very solid...but maybe away from my theme...I am trying to run as many "stones."
Your idea has me at 8 stones, max. Does away with my Red stone walls. The Stone lands probably would need to be removed. Maybe the Weakstone too.
Did you see Worn Powerstone? It could make it up to 12 stones. That is a respectable amount of Kidney Stones (hell, one hurts just enough).

I kept changing what I wrote above...so you may of not seen the updated part about Stoneheads, And something like flowstone blade kill my opponent's creature.

With red/green...i could do maybe, some baubles? Wayfarer's for mana (put in two tapped lands) for 3 mana (if i pay 1 with Kurkesh). And Mishra's Bauble could draw me two cards if i pay 1 with Kurkesh).

I just didn't realize that the Stone theme deck is one and the same idea ...
... do you accept cards that don't have "stone" in the name but clearly represent stony things?
And maybe make a seperate deck for that so we don't spam this thread so much - it could cause other readers to cancel their subscription of this thread.

No problem. I have no problems with you deleting the comments, after I have commented on them. I, actually, would recommend that from time to time.

As of right now...trying to add both of our ideas together. Give me a day or so to work around with it.

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/i-just-passed-a-kidney-stone/

It is done...kept it mono red. See what you think.
It is definitely casual. But it can pull out a few wins.

You are focussing on Melira now :)

yes i am! thanks for those card suggestions, i think i swapped them all in

Nice dude. Melira is awesome.

Secondly, doesn't all this talk about kurkesh make you want to do an EDH deck?

Might take a look. Sounds diabolical.

Yeah, your invisible goblin deck rocks.

He probably refers to this deck:
http://www.mtgvault.com/jgee70/decks/goblinteresting/

But sorry, that's a deck as standard as it gets. There are literally hundreds of goblin decks on this site, why don't you just browse them?

Thanks. Will do.

zome helpz givenz

I sorta like the mean White Control

Fiend Hunter, Mangara of Corondor, Leonin Relic-Warder as the creatures and just cloudshift/flicker/blink away. Exile away. Oblivion Ring and Journey to Nowhere.

As much as I hate blue/white being done to death (with venser or mistmeadow witch)...the Rishadan Pirates with Turn to Mist/Cloudshift/Momentary Blink. That could be fun.

Pirates in question:
Rishadan Cutpurse
RIshadan Footpad

Not very likely...but imagine the idea of having each of those on the field:
Turn 2. Stormscape Familiar (white spells cost 1 less)
Turn 3. Rishadan Cutpurse (opponent sacks a permanent unless he pays 1 mana)
Turn 4. Rishadan Footpad opponent sacks a permanent unless he pays 2 mana)
Turn 5. Say you have 3 white mana and 2 blue mana available: Cloudshift the Footpad for one 1 white mana. Now Momentary Blink for one mana your Footpad the second time. 1 white mana left and 2 blue. Cast Ghostway on your Cutpurse and Footpad for 2 mana.

Yeah, yeah, too many cards and in perfect world...however, you get the idea.

Outcome: You exiled and triggered "enters battlefield" ability 3 times on Footpad and 1 time on Cutpurse
That equals = Your opponent having to pay 2 mana, 3 times in a row, or being forced to sack a permanent. And your opponent having to pay 1 mana, 1 time, or sack a permanent. In final words, your opponent, on the 5th turn (probably not having 7 mana available) has to pay a total of 7 mana or risk losing 4 different permanents.

Of course throw in broken Snapcaster to recycle the cloudshift/blink cards.

I want so badly to do a red/white deck with Land destruction. But damn Avalanche Riders and Goblin Settler cost so much freaking mana. Riders have Echo but you can bypass that with, you guessed it, Momentary Blink. Just "blink" it out then b link it in. No echo cost. However, no Familiars to lower the cost. AND with red, stuff like Momentary Blink works on Morph creatures. So, play 3 mana to morph Akroma, Angel of Fury...then Momentary Blink her into and she is now a 8 mana 6/6 flying/trample/can't be countered/protection from...blah blah, you get it, you can have her out on Turn 4. Land destruction doesn't work...Akroma is a great back up plan.

Regardless...a Turn 4 Avalanche Rider into a Turn 5 where you play 2 or 3 cards like Cloudshift/Momentary Blink is going to have your opponent down to 2 lands.

I know you don't want this deck to get too crowded, so here is the private link:

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/flick-my-bic/

Yes, it's not easy to come up with somethin new. I'll comment in the deck.

I put your giant's head straight :)

Erm ... you know what? No.

This is what I posted some weeks ago:

"I am doing an experiment and try to redeem my commenting credits I earned so far:

I published 4 of my decks under construction. They are still in brainstorming or development phase, usually I only publish finished decks. Maybe they'll get more views and most importantly suggestions and criticism because now there is more room for improvements. The decks in question are:

http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/dont-mind-the-hive/
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/life-is-life/
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/biting-shamans/
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/oath-of-thieves/

Come on now, this is THE chance to be creative and to return favours (also, for some of you a welcome change from this budget deck madness :P )! If this goes well, I will release more of my decks in development. Moreover, everybody is welcome to make their own versions of these decks or deck ideas, I don't even ask to give me credit, all I want is to fight the stagnation in creativity that plagues this site and Magic in general.
Posted 24 July 2014 at 15:39"

And you know what? With the exception of Jessie, nobody replied, including you (although you promised to). The description of this thread says that I am willing to help out first and if you liked the suggestions I made, please return the favour and help me out in turn - just once in a while. Yet I am basically still talking to myself in my decks, no matter what I do. I tried simple decks, complicated decks, I tried finished decks, I now tried decks in development with open slots. It is plain obvious by now that the problem is NOT that my decks are too advanced, too complicated or whatever, the sad truth is that most people in this site are fast to take, take, take but rarely is somebody willing to give.

I am talking in general, you probably just honestly forgot about it, what I just wrote is something I planned to do anyway, so, sorry that it hit you.

Ah crap .... sorry for letting you down Puschin. I was busy getting carpel tunnel keeping up with Northy's decks. :)

I will certainly give your decks a look at. After all, I must uphold my knight's honor.

As I said, it's not actually you this rant was about, I just misused you to make a point :P

Please read the descriptions before posting :)

I read them ... hence my cheesy smiley face. :)

well budget thing has gone down but before northy left it was ridiculous, it was almost like if you did not make a budget deck your deck would never be seen on hot list

That's annoying ... but budget decks tend to be more innovative, so I kind of see why.

Not necessarily. A lot of those budget decks are just a bunch of cheap cards thrown together with a vague theme. MANY of them, including Northies, look as if he made a quick database search for a keyword, took the cheapest cards among the results, then added some basic lands and staples. That's not any more innovative than filling decklists with the usual expensive staples.

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/this-looks-familiar/

I try to be innovative, to the max!

That deck is an example, and one I need help with.
It ended up being bird tribal HOWEVER, my original idea was to use as many cards with the word "Familiar" in them. I ended up with 12...in the very early version of the deck. Mainly because cards with the word "Familiar" aren't that good!

I threw it together in 5 minutes...and it definitely needs some direction.

A quick deck search...out of thousands upon thousands of decks....it is 1 of 3 decks that tried to put Familiars into a deck. One from 2007: His, not trashing it, is 70 cards and is a mess (trying to run every color but playing all basic lands, with no general idea how to win except making his spells cost less mana). Plus it is posted back in 2007. Second deck, posted in 2012, is same deal. A hot mess trying to reduce mana cost...with no way to really win.

So...going back 7 years, I just made a deck where only 2 other people have done something close to it.
Can't say that for mono blue control, or discard, or goblins.

Again, can't knock me for trying to be different.

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Speaking of Budget...which that deck I just linked is under 17 bucks...it is tricky to make a GOOD budget deck.
True, you can come up with a theme...look up cards based on their price...then add in basic/staple cards and add it all together...but that will not necessarily make it a great deck. Solid deck, maybe. Well rounded, maybe. Hence, sometimes you have to be "innovative" as I agree with HokeyPokey. Anyone can win with Planeswalkers and 50 dollar cards. But to win with a budget deck...it does indeed take decent deck building skills.

Or, at least, that is my 2 cents worth on the subject.

And I think Northy is a great part of Magic Vault. He responds to your decks. He never fails to take up deck challenges. He is always nice...one of those people whom, "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all" types of guys. He has made over 500 decks that he contributed to Magic Vault..and has thousands of comments. I can't say that about anyone else on this site. The 500 decks contributed, alone, is huge!! At the rate I am going, and i have been building a lot of decks lately, it would take me 6 years or so to post 500 decks.

With all of his budget decks...and all of the young teenagers/beginners/people on budget (usually teens) on Magic Vault...he is showing them that they can have Magic as a hobby, without it being too expensive. He, in his own small way, is paving the way for the next generation of Mtg fans.

With Magic Vault only allowing you to have 2 hot decks at any one given time (Northy broke Magic Vault), he/budget decks won't clog up the Hot Pages anymore.

Of course Northy is a valueable resource and vital for this site, he surely hit a nerve with his decks. He is just flooding the site a tad bit and sometimes the decks lack quality - but still get all the attention because it's Northy. Which is okay if his followers would still check out other contributer's work but you know as it is, attention span and willingness to contribute yourself is limited and usually expended after commenting on Northys decks - at least thats the case for most users here.
So, I just think Northy would do everybody including himself a favour if he slowed down a bit and worked a bit longer and harder on the decks he does release. But that's just an opinion, he can and should still do what he likes to, of course.

I still say, the "unloved" list should be the default view. People will flock to the "hot" tab anyway.

And, yes, Jessie, you are innovative to the max indeed, I spotted a great influx of yours, both in quantity and quality. I especially like that you are now building your decks systematically and documenting each step, writing down your thought process and decision making. This, in turn, is valuable for any aspiring deck builder.

so your saying northy is the pewdiepie of mtg?

I have no clue what a "pewdiepie" is ...

pewdiepie is a the most popular youtuber that is one of the reasons smaller channels get no views / subs

So ... if we fused Northy, Puschkin, and Jessie together Yu-Gi-Oh style ... we'd have the ultimate deck builder!

not yet - you'd need a fourth person, someone who is really competitive and still attends tournaments of all formats (I stopped doing so around Scourge)

Hmm ... how about sorin?

What about you, HokeyPokey, give yourself more damn credit, friend! Maybe not tourney decks, per say, but I like a lot of your decks!

I'm not bad ... but Pushkin is a paragon of knowledge, you make crazy decks, Northy can pump decks out inhumanly fast (he doesn't even use bulk importer!), and Sorin is pretty competitive.

Besides, Kazzong, Barracuda, and I are already the MTG vaulteers think tank. :)

Well, thank you for the pat on the back.

Lol Jessie, if you want basic, then help me out. :)

Don't add white. Because if you would, then there was no need to build this deck - Sunblast Angel would replace him.

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/khans-of-tarkir-spoiler/

Take a look, I did, fyi, send out some more card suggestions for your Shaman deck. :)
Spent about an hour on it (from 2am to 3am, my time). I lost sleep because of you! :)

And actually...Sunblast Angel is in my sideboard with the deck.
Sorta of a second way to win.
1st way...force tap of all opponent's creatures (Sleep, Tidal Surge...blue cards) and bounce them all with Thousand Winds
2nd way...force tap of all opponent's creatures (Blinding Light, Ivory Charm....white cards) then nuke them with Sunblast Angel or Righteous Fury.

See...that is why i need your help on things like this!!! lol.

I know you haven't checked out the deck...but, I just found Wall of Tears, and how in the hell did i not know about this card?! He rocks in the deck! He is an aggro stopper, for sure.

Will check this one out, for sure, when I have the chance :)

Count me in too!

i just wanna say you 3 guys have mad deck building skills and i think if would be super cool if you could help me with a revenge deck.... http://www.mtgvault.com/trips/decks/The-Violater/ any insight you could give me would be great!

There you go. You might also want to check out this deck of mine because it does exactly what you want to accomplish, just in a very different way:

http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/shared-fate/

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/the-book-of-sorrows/

It is a bloody mess.

I don't think I can contribute anything that hasn't been done on this site hundreds of times before but I gave it a shot anyway, enjoy!

Done.
Can you help with this one?

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/820506/

Sorta of boring and OVERDONE, but...it is what it is. Always wanted to do a Pestilence deck...and it ended up like a lot of them do...White/Black. Play creatures with Protection from Black...Pestilence hurts your opponent but not you. Trying to run stuff like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth/Kormus Bell/Zealous Persecution to piss off my opponent. It needs work...like Crusading Knight/Urborg is amazing together...but then if I am going to nuke my opponent's lands with Kormus bell/Urborg/Persecution or Leonin Sun Standard...it negates the power of Crusading Knight. So...it needs a little work.

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http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/820788/

You can have a field day with this one! It is a VERY rough draft. You will see the idea immediately.
Filth/Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to grant Swampwalk. Then powerhouses like Nantuko Shade and Wicked Akuba to do major damage.

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/sound-of-weeping-children/
That is the link to the second deck, I listed. It is replaced from 820788.
Thought it needed a better name. It is flavor text from Akuba.

Hm, I already replied to the first deck.
You can actually rename a deck without having to copy&paste it :)

Man ... I have a ton of catching up to do.

Yes it works. Meanewhile copy cards come into play AS copies, they do not copy as a CIP anymore.

Redirect damage? Dude, that's brilliant. There's souls of the faultless, boros fury-shield, and curse of bloodletting. If that brutality doesn't please you, Ash Zealot can come along too! Run a circle of protection: red, but maybe even darien, king of kjeldor for hiliarity. Gisela, Blade of goldnight isn't bad either. Prepare yourself for the lulz!

I don't care :)

FNM has always been iffy to me - it tries to organize casual. It's like a kitchen table tournament - an oxymoron. It's nice to have a place to gather for casual play where you can meet new players. Back in the golden days you met in F/SF stores and played in the backroom, basement or any dark corner where you found some place. But as soon as you have to register and shell out prizes, you aren't playing casual anymore, sorry. Casual puts the actual play and creativity over winning. And that's hard to accomplish when prizes, fame and rankings are at stake.

So, again, I don't think FNM is bad or anything, it's a nice thing for anybody that wants a taste of copmtitive play without being thrown into the shark tank, some kind of middleground between casual and competitive. But that's nothing I am interested in.

There are cards that do that, just not in your colours. Anyway, made lots of suggestions in your deck, enjoy!

It's all in the description - if you need help on your deck, you can write here, drop a link and I will drop by.

http://www.mtgvault.com/aarono24/decks/ten-it-to-win-it-2/

Everything quite for weeks and now I get so many requests ... I'll check it out later, promised!

Ah, and I love it if somebody gives me so precise instructions! I have some chores to do right now but will check it out soon.

That's a bit silly, yes ... only the controller of a card can activate it's abilities unless the card says otherwise (like Quicksilver Wall does).

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/890166/

See what you think so far!

Yes, it wont untap two turns because counters are only removed if it WOULD untap.
I will have no time until monday.

I will have no time until monday.

That's fine, take your time. I've had the deck under construction for quite a while since I'm still not 100% positive as whether or not to buy it since a lot of my decks are quite ferocious when fighting one another. Whether this will hold is up in the air

I have 45 cards out of 60....I can't figure it out...exactly.
Please help Puschkin.
I made a nice help section in the "How to Play" section.

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/929897/

Spell copies created by Storm are put directly on the stack, they are NOT cast. Therefore they don't trigger Prowess.

No idea about the other thingy, caught a strange cold/virus, my brain is mush.

Thank you, as always.

Maybe it's my brain or yours that's malfunctioning, but if you manifest Frost Walker, he will be 2/2, not 4/1. Go with the ferocious idea. Other creatures to enable ferocious that early inclzde Jötun Grunt, Veteran Brawlers, Wall of Razors, Okk and if you feel spunky Dandân, FLesh Reaver and Treacherous Pitdweller.

Manifest Frost Walker using Cloudform.
And while he is faced down, pump him up with Enchantments like Aqueous Form.
Then turn him face up.
He gets to keep all the Enchantments.
Potentially he is 4/1 or bigger.

Ah, didn't know manifested things get their built-in way to un-morph. This virus thing is stuporing me.

One more thing.
My wife loves Phoenix.
So I thought I would do a Phoenix Deck.

Here is what I have so far, when you are feeling better, care to take a look it?

It needs help in the artifact department, for sure.

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/935916/

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/goblin-recruitermortal-combat/

Sorry...that is the name of the deck.
The old link did not have a deck title.

There are easier and less clunky ways to fill your graveyard, for example Hermit Druid in a deck that has only very few basic lands or Morality Shift. The latter even allows a mono-colour deck! Sure, it costs 7 mana, but if you are down to black, you can devote many of your slots to mana acceleration. In this case you could use guys like Basal Thrull, Blood Pet and Blood Vassal in addition to the usual Dark Rituals and artifact mana. And dredge decks can fill their entire graveyard in turn 2-3, so you could use a standard dredge engine. Boring? Well, combo ...

As you said, untap step comes before upkeep.

Check out this:
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/continous-meditation/

http://www.mtgvault.com/0diablo0/decks/soldiers/

Any briliant ideas? Not sure if I should use Æther Vial for the last spots or something else. I wanna keep it modern since my friends only play that.

Something else. The casting costs of your creatures are way too varied for Vial. What I am missing is artifact/enchantment removal. There are a few weenies like Kor Sanctifiers, Devout Chaplain or Leonin Relic Warder. That way, if the opponent does't have jewelry you still get some warm bodies. None of them are soldiers, though.

Like Orim's Thunder, Abolish, Disenchant etc?

Well, that's what I would add, but people on this site usually don't want removal like that (because it is potentiall a dead card). My stance is: Even pure creature decks like yours run crucial enchantments and artifacts, in your case Honor the Pure, Prism Term and the Sword. But ultimately only you know what your buddies typically play.

I never cancel subscription to my own decks, so, yes, I still check this. I will check out your deck. Please give this deck/thread a like so that other players have it easier finding their way to this. Sad but true, this "deck" has a mere 17 likes even though I already helped out dozens of players.

Already done! :)

We'll see. There are 15000+ cards out there, we'll find something you can afford.

Link?

Whoops, sorry. Here: http://www.mtgvault.com/padfoot8181/decks/my-simic/

I think "This is a Standard deck. Standard is the only format I don't know much about. Why does nobody read the description where I state that I am happy to help about any casual deck that is NOT Standard?"
Sorry, but I would have to study the meta and every single card of the latest editions.

Hi, rflower. And I like to help decks with proper descriptions, like your decks have - they tell me exactly what you want to achieve, why you picked what, what is the core to work with. This is the perfect setting for me. I'll perpare a coffe, tell my wife I'll do nerd stuff for the next half an hour and check your decks ;)

Thank you :)

Your decklink leads into nowhere.
Also, Pauper means commons only, right? I don't know how that is supposed to work since Tarmogoyf, Force of Will are very integral to the deck and there are no replacements for those. Even Nimble Mongoose is hard to replace. And cutting red isn't a great I idea either, if you can't pave the way for your guys ... yes, you have to cut a colour because you can't support three colors but I think it would be green that should be cut.

Anyway, I need something to work with, so please post a rough draft of what you want to play or name at least the key cards your deck should be built around.

Happy to gift you a deck review for your 222nd post :)

Please give me a quick description of your meta. That's less specific decks and cards they play and more which multiplayer formats you play, how many participants you typcially have, if the card pools are older or more focussed on recent cards, if the group is aggro, controllish or comboriffic, how much diplomacy is a thing etc.

Mostly older cards and not a lot of mass board wipe. Most decks are older cards (Darksteelish and earlier), but they will update with newer cards that fit the decks. We usually play free for all and 2 Headed Giant. Most decks are creature based, not a lot of control or combo. And diplomacy can be a thing but it usually doesn't last as they will see right through a deck thats meant to "be nice" then win with a little something. This causes them to gang up on the deck. It's usually 3-4 of us, but a few times every couple months 5-8. In those cases I try and change the format, but they insist on free for all, which (usually) makes he games take forever. With enough encouraging we have played emperor format though.

Sure, if you read this "deck", the offer is still online :)

Will have a look this weekend. Oldschool FTW!

Okay, I just couldn't force myself to butcher that poor Kobold deck, it would have broken my heart. To make up for it, I gave ALL your other decks a review. Enjoy!