Budget Decks: Dance of Unreal

what an original idea *sarcasm*
the m14 game had a deck almost exactly the same, the only difference being your instants and sorcery's

Wut? It did have?
And I even have the game! I must go and check out!

EDIT: Ahh! The Mind Maze! I hadn't played with it...

He is about $12 I think. Yeah, wouldn't fit in a budget deck... :(

=( oh well.

I think counterspells can handle that problem.
Thanks for suggesting though.

Built a version, but I have no idea how effective it really is. Of you wanted to look at it, it is the newest deco I have built.

thanks a lot!

I built this one and it plays pretty good: http://www.mtgvault.com/maelmord/decks/jaces-illusions/

*bows*
Thank you my friend.

If you're looking for an original idea in a game like mtg, you're gonna have a bad time.

it only shares like 3 or 4 cards (i dont know all of the cards in the m14 version) but it's a budget tribal deck that someone else wanted him to build. tribal already limits the cards that will be in this deck by a ton. and then the fact that it's budget he's gonna use the best cards he can. he didn't base it off of that deck he just built the best he could with the restrictions put on him. I like the deck +1 from me

Having bought that deck, I can say it only has 4 cards in common (Dragon, Bear, Lord, Mana Leak), hardly an overwhelming similarity.

Thank you guys for covering me up.
Though as I already said before... Damn this is awkward... I didn't even know that the Jace's deck in M14 is somekind of Illusion tribal... I haven't played with it, and I did beat his arse so quickly (YEAH! Go Garruk!) that I didn't have time to realize that the deck was made of illusions. I just thought that it is random blue control with couple of Phantasmal Bears and Gossamer Phantasms.

I had Phantom Warrior in this deck, but I removed it when I was suggested to add Krovikan Mist.

Not bad ideas, though I'm not sure what to remove...

Maybe drop Summoner's Bane, or a couple Mana Leak's? I just went with 3x Dissolve for counters in mine, since it's been playing very quick.
http://www.mtgvault.com/maelmord/decks/jaces-illusions/

Sure.

If the spells has targeted those Illusions, they will die no matter if I counter them. The only cards that Negates would help to keep alive are AEther Figment, Lord of the Unreal and Krovikan Mist.

Aw that sucks

It is a budget deck. They are very popular on this site. This deck he posted cost less money than a single Phantasmal Image or a Mutavault.

@ Jessie

That's the sad truth my friend.

Well aren't you a little ray of sunshine.

I was trying to be a dick. I'm sorry, but ever since I've joined this mtg site I've had terrible trouble getting any kind of interaction with anyone, anytime! And I couldn't figure out why....its maddening! So I decided to attack NorthernWarlord, he's popular it seems. I just want people to look at my decks and tell me why they suck that's my goal....

I'd sincerely appreciate if you told me why i suck sir, deck wise, not personality wise. ive mastered my shitty disposition

Um ... I apologize that you lack good advice and friendly interaction on this site. I understand how frustrating your situation is.

I am Northern's friend, and would be happy to speak to him on your behalf. I will give you some advice good sir!

lol if you are indeed his friend tell him I have no grudge, but attacking him seemed to be the easiest way to get real criticism as I was receiving almost nil being nice lol, no hard feelings

I am his good friend, just check out some of his decks ...

No hard feelings.

trust me, I attacked him for a reason. hes popular. ive looked at few of his decks and rarely actually disliked them, and I never said they sucked until I had to lol, I was just doing what I had to do. youll see this warlord I assume, it was just a means to an end, and I sincerely like your Mini Minotaur deck, though I did not comment on it

Wolves, I can check out your decks. You don't need to be offensive. No-one's gonna feel happy after that.
Checking out some of your decks now.
Next time, all you need to do is just ask that can I check them out, and I'll check them when I have time.

being nice and tagging my decks unloved wasn't working for the extreme criticism i want lol and i didn't enjoy it but being offensive finally got me some interaction around here, no real hate meant though, but i had to try something besides being nice

I know the feeling when no-one notices you.
I have the feeling in real life ALL THE TIME.

And here in vault? My Budget Decks -series used to be something that no-one cared about, until I made couple of breakthroughs. I had made these for something about one-and-a-half year before I finally got some attention.

Indeed. I have found that the best way to get your decks noticed is to make a TON of comments on other people's decks and the politely ask them to look at yours. :) then if your decks are good, people tend to look at more than the first one that you asked them to. There are so many GREAT deckbuilders on the vault that don't get recognized because they don't interact with the community.

personally, if you want an AMAZING deckbuilder to look at your deck, look for Surewhynot, Mashitta, or anyone on their friends lists. No offense to Northern, but they are by far the best deckbuilders on the vault. but no one ever looks at their decks anymore because well... they don't comment a lot. Heck, Surewhynot has an unloved deck at the moment. which I am gonna look at...

now then... I will be happy to look at your decks as well. :) which ones did you want feedback on?

No offense taken Kazzong.
I think too that surewhynot is way better builder than me. That's obvious.

I still look at their decks... and Northern, we each specialize in something.

It takes a while for people to start noticing you. Hell, it took me ages for people to look at my decks but some of my early ones are now at the equivelant of hot page decks

You just have to give it time

You surely know about MtG cards. You gave such a great suggestions.
Though I do think too that Divination isn't so awesome, it is still almost the best card you can play on turn 3. I like that it costs only 3. Even though Foresee is so much better, I think that I stick with Divination this time.

Even though I'm not adding any cards now, I'm still glad that you had time to suggest cards. Thank you.

Agreed, not found of Tribals. And try to shy away from Tokens, too, if i can help it. Only because there are thousands of cards...it should be possible to build decks that do not have tokens/tribal spells in them.

Different strokes for different folks.

Running on 3 Mists, probably for cost reasons. With that said, a deck for only 10 bucks is only going to be so good. And I consider a lot of NorthernWarlord's budget decks solidly built.

Excuse me, Krovikan Mist is a COMMON! I can order a playset of 4 for half a euro on MKM at any time.

My bad, my bad. lol

I assumed the card was expensive like Mutavault and Phantasmal Image, or other cards suggested.

Just...my bad for assuming...but a lot of people suggest expensive cards on here, even though it is a budget deck.

And have another challenge for you Warlord. Know how everyone plays the same subtype creatures? Goblins? Elves? Faeries? Humans? Etc?

I want to try to mix two of the much lesser known creature types of Magic, combine them, and make a deck. Let me look around, see what mixes and matches well.

Sounds more like a challenge for me ;)
Are we talking about a thematical mix or a mix where mechanis interact or just general synergy?

Probably mix of theme and a good general synergy. I mean, there are over 200 Creature Types in Magic...and almost everyone uses the same 20 or so. Goblins. Elves. Slivers. Beasts. Humans. Vampires. Faeries. Wurms. Myrs. Etc, etc, etc.

But that leaves like 180 something creature types available to use.
Every see anyone play a Advisor deck? Or Badger deck? Or Camel deck? Or Dwarf? Or Egg deck? The list goes on...

My next challenge will be for me to pick two creature types that no one uses, and see if works.

What about Cats and Dogs? Can they behave together?
Ajani. Firecat Blitz, Waiting in the Weeds, and White Sun's Zenith all produce cat tokens. Plus there are 124 cat cards to choose from.
53 Hound cards to choose from.

Good luck!

Here it is, Druids & Snakes:
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/druid-basket/

Hey, I do that too! I'm working on a budget vampire-goblin shaman deck.

Yes, Umbric, Echoing Truth is way better than Disperse. Good catch on that one. One up on that suggestion. It is a better card PLUS it is budget.

I knew there was something I was forgetting.

Actually, Echoing Truth isn't strictly better. As all bounce effects, it has a myriad of uses and not all of them require or even want that you bounce everything with the same name. For example, you can use it on your own creature in response to something that would kill it other wise. In that case you only want to save that one creature but others with the same name should stay in play.

Into the Roil is strictly better than Disperse because it does the same for the same mana but offers a kicker to turn it into a cantrip.

Then again, since this is a mono-blue deck with nothing but Islands, I don't see why we have to use 1U bouncers when you could afford UU bouncers. Good old Boomerang can bounce lands, too.

Put it on a stick. Have some fun.

Boomerang or Eye of Nowhere. Yep. Both could work.

And smart thinking there, Puschkin. Didn't even think about using Echoing Truth on yourself.

At Puschkin, I never said "strictly better" I simply said better since it's more often than not going to used as a removal for planeswalkers, large fatties, enchantments etc.

Not bad idea, but is it wise to put it in just for the Lords? I don't know...

Mistform mask could work too just to ensure that when an opponent casts a removal spell to destroy or return lord back to your hand, he would become hexproof cus without him, the illusions (with phantasm in their names) are very vulnerable.

Ring of evos isle (I think that's the right one) might work as an alternative.

That's actually really good, it can also buff him up as time passes, if you have mana you're good.

I normally have a lot of free mana when I play mine.

Considering that most of this deck's spells are 2 drops, he's very likely to have extra mana so ring of evos isle is really good to protect lord.

It would be sacrificed when unsummon was cast and it was targeted. Then the unsummon would resolve, but have no target and simply be discarded.

Dang that sucks

Yup ... and even if you cast it, the illusion dies. Lord's hexproof is no use. You have to make it indestructible somehow.

not even indestructible would do anything. their ability makes you sacrifice them. so you have to find a way around that. which I don't know of any cards that actually keep you from sacrificing things on your own. (protection from other people MAKING you sac, is another matter.)

there are cards that make it impossible to sacrifice

As far as I know there are cards that say that your opponents cannot make you sacrifice. Unless you are talking about angel of jubilation, which only prevents you from sacrificing as part of a casting cost or to activate an ability. By I don't think there is a card that straight up says that you just cannot sacrifice. If that makes sense.

would angel of jubilation not work?

No ... this sacrifice is from a triggered ability, so Angel of Jubilation can't prevent it. Also, since it's triggered, the sac is not technically part of a cost either.

Good job asking these questions man.

i feel stupid now

what? why? you shouldn't feel stupid. I downvote your comment for being pessimistic.

i just feel like i ask lots of obvious questions, which i do

so? If you don't know the answer, then there is nothing wrong with asking. I actually think that most people here (with a few exceptions that shall remain unnamed) have no problems answering questions. even when they are really basic questions. in fact there is a guy on here NorthernWarlord, who does the Budget decks that are always on the Hot page, that LOVES answering questions that people have. ESPECIALLY the basic questions. most people here like helping people learn more about the game. it is fun. :)

yeah i know northy, and i really love his decks.

Yep, agreeing with Kazzong. I have asked several questions on this site. I do not want to play the game wrong and i want to be a better player. Only way to do that is ask questions.

i know that theres nothing wrong with asking questions, its just the fact that i should already know the answers that makes me feel stupid.

The thing is, if you haven't heard of a rule, or haven't played very long, or are just getting back into the game after a long time away from it, then there is no reason to feel bad about not knowing certain things.

although I have to admit, it does feel pretty sucky to find out something that seems to be common sense to everyone else. and I have had that happen to me. so I kinda get where you are coming from. but regardless, no one that I know of here looks down at people for not knowing things. :)

I myself was informed earlier today of a rule change that happened about 4 years ago, and I had NO IDEA THAT IT HAD HAPPENED. and yeah, I kinda felt stupid about that. I should keep myself better informed.

Well, I am sorry to say it Kazzong, but the only way to avoid being surprised by new rules changes (or rules in general) is to completely and constantly check for judge rulings on specific cards or rules updates. I have read most of the rule book, since that's how I learned to play standard; The only other rulebook I had was from way back ... anyone remember Arabian Nights? It took a while ...

On the bright side, I play very "properly" and my friends usually can't pull shenanagins on me - except for: ceaselessly asking me "is it my turn" during my upkeep, so if I say "yes" I forfeit my entire turn. Such a dirty trick ... expect it from Dimir players =).

And you guys should listen to this playlist if you like electronic music, maybe even if you don't:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5Q5nIzRkHU&list=RDQ5Q5nIzRkHU

And no that's not a Rick Roll.

Yeah, I've been playing since dark ascension, and although I use to think I knew the rules but now I realise how complicated this game can really be.

Thank you Jace! =)

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Meh... that's ok. :)

The whole list? Wow, you didn't look very far ...
'Witchcraft' and 'The Island' are pretty good.

"Nothing can stop a sacrifice" is one of the few rules that have not been broken yet and probably never will. Sacrifice is too quintessential to mess with, especially since it is used as a cost a lot.

But, to answer the initial question it often helps to just check the rulings for the card. I use http://magiccards.info/ for both deckbuilding and to look rules up (it has the best filter options of all databases in my opinion). Any of the phantom creatures list this as an errata:
"8/15/2010: If Phantom Beast becomes the target of a spell or ability, Phantom Beast's ability triggers and goes on the stack on top of that spell or ability. Phantom Beast's ability will resolve (causing it to be sacrificed) first. Unless the spell or ability has another target, it will then be countered when it tries to resolve for having no legal targets."

For some reason, though, that text can only be found on Phantasmal Abomination and Phantom Beast. Put generally put, a lot of rules questions can be answered by just looking up the card in question.

Good point. Wait, something CAN stop this sacrifice!

Trickbind.

HA, how you like me know?

Trickbind, like Stifle, Interdict etc. counter a triggered ability. In this case that triggered ability causes the sacrifice - it just never comes to the point where it should be sacrificed. But there is no card that prevents a sacrifice that is due (like Melira prevents you from ever getting poison counters). Same is true for Angel of Jubilation - it prevents you from using an ability in the first place (and therefore paying a sacrifice as a cost) but cannot prevent a due sacrifice effect like Diabolic Edict. Countering Diabolic Edict with a Counterspell is like Trickbinding Phantom Beast's triggered ability, you didn't directly prevent a sacrifice, you countered a spell respectively effect which just happens to be a sacrifice if it actually resolved.

True enough. For now we must be satisfied by sacrificing tokens and/or black creatures. Like Gravecrawler, Tenacious Dead, etc.

*feels stupid about multiposting* stupid phone... sorry about that. :)

I know that feeling...

Me too! I think our phones were made by an Echo Mage holding an Isocron Scepter imprinted with Fork. XD!

Tajuru Preserver prevents spells and abilities you're opponents control from causing you to sacrifice permenants. I know this because I had that and elderscale wurm on the fieild and when my opponent used show and tell I put down elderscale wurm and laughed.
Also forgot to mention that I had elvish piper online and used it to throw down archetype of endurance. Good times.

yeah, Preserver does that, and there is an angel that does as well, but sadly nothing prevents you from making yourself sacrifice. Since it isn't to activate an ability or to cast a card it doesn't fall under Angel of Jubilation's prevention either. which sucks... :(
r unless, like was said above, you play something like trickbind, stifle, etc...

Ah, I just saw the one post saying that there is nothing to stop you from sacrificing due to diabolic edict, preserver prevents that type of effect, say from liliana or edict or celestial flare or annihilator.

Sacrifice is too hard to get around. It is much simpler to rescue the cards once they are in the graveyard. It is for this reason that Gravecrawler and Tenacious Dead laugh at any sacrifice.

Didn't know the Preserver. So, one of the last original rules have been bent. At least, it doesn't stop own sacrifices because that would stop sacrifices as a cost making sense.

Angel of jubilation says hi.

Angel of Jubilation doesn't stop Diabolic Edict or Liliana or more importantly, Annihilator.

angel of jubilation is too good.

Kind of like sol ring ... aright, maybe more like Melira, Slylvok Outcast, or my favorite, Ash Zealot.

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Ash zealot is also amazing.

Melira =)

Grrr ... there is an Echo Mage duplicating my posts again.

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Lol, fork strikes again. And Kazzong, I know you never said that - magicmaster13 asked about it, and we answered, killing his idea to use Angel of Jubilation as a side effect.

What is going on with this comment duplication?

Easy answer. Echomage found an Isocron Scepter and imprinted Fork on it. XD!

Real answer: We use phones, and the site dislikes our medium of access.

Crappy connection via a phone. That is what... :(. Sorry.

Catastrophic error. Goblins, always blame the goblins =).

I'm using a phone with a crappy connection as well.. I suppose i'm just lucky?

Possibly. The vault doesn't show if my comment has been posted or not. :(

Yikes! That's a real pain.

Yup... It royally sucks. So until I refresh it won't show if my comment actually got posted or not.

But anyways, yeah angel of jubilation is an absurd card. So powerful... As is Tajuru preserver. Opponents can't make you sacrifice anything. Uber useful. Actually asked in general are pretty powerful. Have avacyn out along with the preserver and 2 of those enchantments that say other permanents you control can't be targeted. And you have an almost unwipable board.

Oh. ... you mean things like Spellkite with indestructible ...

Then run some counterspells to stymie global removal, and you are set.

Privileged position. :) an enchantment for 3 white or green and 2 other. and it gives all of your other permanents hexproof, so put two of those out, along with Avacyn, and tajuru preserver, and you have an almost impervious board. only thing that can get rid of your stuff is a world effect exile of some sort. :)

Nevinyrral's Disk.

that destroys, not exiles. :) it wouldn't work. Avacyn makes everything you control indestructible.

You would have to use an overloaded rift or an eviction (thinking standard) to get rid of them.

yup. cyclonic rift would do it, or a merciless eviction would work. but that is what counter spells are for. :)
I just realized... Bant can be very ugly to play against... Wow.

Nasty. Suppose that is why she is 30 dollars a pop.

O.o? she... who? which card? Avacyn?

Avacyn and Griselbrand... I'm kinda sad, but happy too.

How so????

oh, and do you think that you could check out my newest deck? give me some suggestions on how I might be able to improve it?

My attempts at getting an avacyn when cheapish failed, but I had pulled a griselbrand so I guess they cancel each other out leaving me at neutral. I had no clue that their cost had risen exponentially.

Lol, love it how Cyclonic rift solves almost everything! Aside from that point, playing a Dismiss into Dream would be pretty funny too.

ah... that makes sense. it is strange how certain cards rise and fall in price, and we have no clue why. me for example: Being the newbie idiot that I was, I felt cheated every time that I got a rare land in a booster pack... The zendikar search lands to be precise. and I traded most of them away for dirt cheap. I had no clue that they were going to be so valuable, not to mention that I didn't see how useful they really were.

yeah, I get the idiot of the century award for that...


oh, and dismiss into dream wouldn't do anything, since all of my permanents can't be targeted by opponents. :)

I wouldn't mind having those.

yeah... Like I said. I get the idiot of the century award. pretty sure that I gave most of them away for free, and traded a few others for commons or uncommons. Epic fail... :(

Time to invent a time machine...

Fine ... I think I know how to get around your permanents. I'll just hit you in the face with aqueous form. How do you like me now?

yeah, no kidding. I had at least 15-20 of them total I think. and I am sure that at least 3 of them were misty rainforests. and at least 3 arid mesas. but... nothing I can do about it now though. :)

anyways... I think that this illusion deck is cool. :)

And a time machine! Time to get all those Jace the Mind Sculptors! =). Oh, and black lotuses.

Counters aqueous form?

Lol... or some Time walks, or the Llanowar elves that taps for GG instead of G. it was signed and erratad by one of the creators and thus actually tourney legal. and also an absurd amount of money if the owner were to actually sell it.

How would we go about building said time machine?

aqueous form huh? dissipation field!!! :)

Dissipation Field huh? Trepanation Blade + Dimir Infiltrator!

hmmm... Well, first we would need a Delorian.



and trepanation blade? hm... ah!!! palisade giant. :)

Abrupt Decay what I feel like.

abrupt decay... ouch. well played. :)

Lol, a Delorian. Shouldn't be too hard, since they are terrible cards.

And Palisade giant, hmm ... Glimpse the Unthinkable + Lasav, Dimir Mastermind!

Armageddon.

Glimpse the Unthinkable ... Lasav, Dimir Mastermind!

hm... wheel of sun and moon. :)

while your building a time machine, do you think i could join your quest? i didn't realise how expensive shock lands were until after i had traded a playset of temple gardens for a playset of murder investigations..

and Armageddon wouldn't affect me, sweet!!!

and yes, by all means, please join our quest to build a time machine. :)

Alright .... I think you have killed my mill deck ... wait, abrupt decay!

what are you abrupt decaying? everything I control is indestructible, and can't be targeted by opponents. :) like I said... Bant is retardedly powerful... although it is way too slow for me to actually put all of that out with any kind of normal game scenario.

Yeah ... have you see my mill deck? The only thing I want to add is Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver, but maybe you can help me out!

http://www.mtgvault.com/knightofthehokeypokey/decks/dimir-discard/

However... my BIGGEST mistake: I made a white and blue ally mill deck and sold it to a friend for $15. He added in 4 archive traps and a Mind sculptor. I had the chance to buy it for $15 again... because he didn't want to play anymore... and I didn't buy it.

What? The whole freaking deck was worth a mint! How could you .... *mouth falls open*

i think everyone made mistakes back then.. i don't know if i'm cursed or blessed for not starting playing mtg until dark acension

*mouth finally closes*

yeah... I know right? that deck was absurd too. I have a deck posted on here that is what I remember it being.
http://www.mtgvault.com/kazzong/decks/allies-of-hatred/

it was so good, it could mill 3 people at once, without any problems. it was a nightmare to play against.

and if it didn't mill you, it ran you over with its HUGE creatures. :)

Yes, we all made mistakes.I had a chance to buy a blue control deck with 4 force of wills, for 100 bucks, back in 2002. I am kicking myself in the ass for not doing it.

Who knew stuff like Masticore and Morphling would go from 20 dollars to 2 dollars...and that stuff like Lions' Eye Diamond would go from 2 dollars to 100 dollars?

Who could of guessed?

And that's why we need a time machine.

"worldpurge" "fiber jar"

But we tend to only remember those times when we lost money and forget about those where we got lucky. For example, back in the day when Tempest came out I traded for lots of Wastelands because I had many decks that needed them, that should cancle out other trades where items lost in value.

Also, you really can't compare different times. I sold 3 of my 4 Mishra's Workshops some years ago when they were worth 100€ each. Now I could get 250€ apice. However, firstly, that was still a gain because I got them originally for about 50 DM a piece (roughly 25 €). More importantly, I needed the money back then, not now. And if I had reinvested that money in Magic, I would have gotten other cards for prices of THAT time.
See, even if you had a time machine, it would take forever to make you money. When I started (Revised era), everybody was still crazy about Shivan Dragons and Royal Assassins and Mahamoti Djinns. Even though experienced players knew that things like dual lands are better cards, prices still told a different story, Shivans went for about 15 DM while duals costed barely 10. Sure, I could trade away my 4 Shivans and get 6 duals, but then I would have to wait. A lot! I may have 6 duals now but even players that know how good they are won't give me any more than 10 DM for it since they could get them for that anywhere. And even though duals have always been some kind of hard currency in Magic no matter what new cards came out, it took them forever to rise in price. 20 years later I am glad of course that I traded for my playset of duals, however, that about 400 DM I invested there (which was a huge amount for someone young!) could have been invested in other things that could have served me equally well or even better.

I guess that is true. I opened up a lilliana of the dark reasons during a pre-release event, and traded it for a sheoldred, a few cards that I don't remember, and a mox opal. That Liliana was $30 at the time, and now it is way less, and mox opal is worth more. So I guess I have made a few good choices. :)

Surely, and during your career, you make SO many trades, that overall things should cancel each other out.
Unless of course you don't pay attention at all and never learn anything ... those poeple exist^^

Sadly they do. :(

Good for us, bad for them.?

Meh... Maybe. But I prefer not to take advantage of people too much. But if they REALLY want the crappy cards that I have then there isn't much that I can do about that.

Same, I know how it feels.

Although, sometimes cards that are crappy in our eyes may truly help them out. For example, since you mentioned Opal Mox, what is it worth if you don't have the right other cards to go with it?
Usually, when someone has a priced card for trade but only wants crap because he has a small collection, I have a quick look at his deck and throw in some other cards that I can't trade away anyway. They are then happy as Larry. It is entirely possible that both sides profit in one way or another.

that is true. there are some points where a "crappy" card to one person can be very useful to another. :)

Lol, so true. I would have traded my 5 dual lands for 20 lands of each color when I started. =).

ahh yes, the days when you needed to trade for basic lands...

Hehe, I remember when me any my friends started out and I wanted to trade away my Circle of Protection: Black to Olaf for another common. The others screamed at me "No! Don't do that!". I asked "Why not?". They said "Because if you give him that, then he has all five Circles of Protection and then he will be invincible!"
:)
Good old times.

Ohh, we had same problem with my friends, except we had these "lucky charms" (Wurm's Tooth, Demon's Horn, Angel's Feather, Dragon's Claw, Kraken's Eye and Golem's Heart).
The most hilarious part of it is that they are pretty bad cards after all... We just thought:
"That's just far too annoying if someone of us gets playset of all of those. He can use them in their sideboards and gain 1 LIFE FOR EVERY SPELL HIS OPPONENTS' CAST. That's just some overpowered stuff."

hahaha those were the best mtg times. when i started playing my friend and i didn't have much of an idea how to play, and we thought that undying meant that the creature would continue coming back bigger everytime it died. so, i won almost all of my games.

It does state that if it has a +1/+1 counter, then it don't come back. In Wizard's own confusing way

Hey, angel's feather is a perfectly valid card!

http://www.mtgvault.com/knightofthehokeypokey/decks/pentarch-nemesis/

Do feel nostalgia yet?

Nostalgia, no.
Nausia, yes.

yeah but me and my friend were kind of retarded and didn't really bother to understand the card.

I was really retarded and refused to understand that circles of protection should only work for one color.

Not knowing the rules almost made it funner

Only as long as you play within your group. As soon as you play with someone else, there will be more discussions and verbal fights than in your average Monopoly session ;)

yeah eventually it does get complicated with the rules and fighting is pretty much inevitable.

Round 1, Begin.

All this nostalgia made me recreate and post one of the decks I played all the way back then in 1994 when I started playing with Revised and Fallen Empires:
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/nostalgia-the-compost-heap/

Heh, we used to play Magic in our street with some kids, all between 6 and 12 years old or so, back in the mid/late nineties. We barely understood the cards (especially the little ones, tough tittie for them), and didnt know much about the stack and stuff. Basically we just played cards and spells and creatures, untill at some point, we did an all out attack. That's it. I usually always won with my Jolrael, Empress of Beasts and Overrun combo :p

Fun times though!

I can always put some additional counter spells to the sideboard, so you can pick whatever you want. Okay?
By the way, I love to hear you like this deck!

Happy 3400th.

It has enough counterspells as it is. Don't overstuff those. As a rule of thumb, run just enough to protect you from the worse and to keep your opponent on his toes. 4-6 counters are usually enough to accomplish that. Anything more than 6 would shift the focus from aggro to control up to the point where the deck centers around how and when to counter instead of what creature to play and when to attack.

I was able to make this deck for 6 bucks! :D My wallet is happy. Thank you!

I'm always happy to help.