NinjaStyle612

yes. Minnesota

no. Desecration Demon, Obzedat, Chost Council, Cartel Aristocrat(potentially), Xathrid Necromancer, Exava, Varolz, MAster of Cruelties, Corpsejack Menace, Lotleth Troll, Blood Bairn, ect, ect

all of those things make Doom Blade a dead draw.

I dont think youre worried enough about planeswalkers. youll come around.

I disagree. sacrificing versatility for a much worse, a little cheaper card is bad magic. most of the things you want to get off the board are later in the game in most cases, and if youre building decks well, and hitting your land drops, it wont matter.


and all the right letters are there. I was....testing you....yeah :P

so what are you killing on turn 2 with Doom Blade? no one has said anything about killing something turn 3, but it allows you the option to KILL ANYTHING, at instant speed, whenever you need to. the ONLY way its bad it against haste, and even then , you untap and kill. or hold open to kill on their turn. youre arguing against one card, for a much worse card wit 0 upside.

same reason I love GOblin Diplomats. and the are on both versions is AMAZING

yup, it is.

this is a rakdos colored deck. he had 11 swamps. thats plenty for running the BETTER Heros Downfall. there is no argument that one black mana can be more difficult to get to, but theres also no argument that Heros Downfall >>>Doomblade.

JaceTheMindsculptor239 posts
Also, since the whip's text says "anywhere else", it means anywhere other than exile. So the whip has no replacement effect if Obzedat exiles himself.

I will assume that this is you agreeing with me, and wording it poorly.

also< I read your wall of text up until you insisted on calling Heros Downfall a worse card then Doom Blade, and then your credibility was gone. INSTANT SPEED planeswalker removal or creature kill with no restriction. People are CURRENTLY running MURDER instead of doom blade, because its more versatile.

Now, if something would happen where you dont make it to your end step with that Obzedat, lets say he gets hit with a Hero's Downfall in the main phase, THEN he does not return, because he doesnt Exile himself, and therefore cannot finish his own ability.

I just edcuated you. If a Level one Judges word isnt enough, check this link. its the Theros FAQ.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/faq/ths
Whip is toward the bottom, and clarifies this.

the whips "If a creature returned to the battlefield with Whip of Erebos would leave the battlefield for any reason, it’s exiled instead." ability creates a replacement effect.

614.14. An object may have one ability printed on it that generates a replacement effect which causes
one or more cards to be exiled, and another ability that refers either to “the exiled cards” or to cards
“exiled with [this object].” These abilities are linked: the second refers only to cards in the exile
zone that were put there as a direct result of the replacement event caused by the first. If another
object gains a pair of linked abilities, the abilities will be similarly linked on that object. They can’t
be linked to any other ability, regardless of what other abilities the object may currently have or
may have had in the past. See rule 607, “Linked Abilities.”

607.2a If an object has an activated or triggered ability printed on it that instructs a player to exile
one or more cards and an ability printed on it that refers either to “the exiled cards” or to cards
“exiled with [this object],” these abilities are linked. The second ability refers only to cards in
the exile zone that were put there as a result of an instruction to exile them in the first ability.

actually, BEnny, since both Obzedat and Whip have an "at the beginning of your end step" ability, you get to choose the stack order. if you stack Whip, then Obzedat, Obzedats ability exiles the creature, and then the whip checks for a creature to exile (for its "if that creature would LTB ability" and finds that Obzedat has already satisfied the Exile requirement. then it tries to exile it again, and has the same result. Obzedat returns at the beginning of your next upkeep.

and theres actually a standard tourney tomorrow to win a box of theros lol

sure thing.

Broke, no, but a deck with Blood Baron, Obzedat, Desecration Demon, and Agent of Fates is going to be tough for anyone to deal with.

thats because read the bones is one of the best black upgrades, ant the best replacement to Think Twice that came about. the ability to Scry 2, THEN draw is incredible. it allows you to potentially search for the card you need through 4 cards, instead of drawing first and then waiting a turn to get what you need.

B/W control will be a player in new standard. Mark it.

Pst....Blasphemous Act isnt standard anymore

how long have I been playing for? Since '95 kid, with the last 4 being on a competetive level. and it dropped in price over a month and a half ago. spread your ignorance elsewhere.

you did not say "I wish there was a more affordable alternative to Boros Reckoner" you said "Boros Reckoner ie way too expensive for this deck" those are not the same thing. and Reckoner is not a $30 card, its a $12 card, but if you would like to buy mine at $30 a piece, ill happily sell them to you. and an "affordable lifestyle" is relative. just because YOU cant afford something, doesnt mean others cant use theirs wherever they want.

that might be the dumbest......too expensive to use in a deck like this? what the hell are you talking about?

dont listen to him! CANYON MINOTAUR!!!