Descriptions? Descriptions!

by Muktol on 01 February 2017

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Deck Description

For me one of the best moments when looking at this site is when I log in and see there is a new comment on one of my decks or on one of the deck I commented on. Sometimes the comments I get to see are not really to the point or even friendly, but most of the time I'm reminded of cards that will fit the deck that I didn't know or have long forgotten, get a new view on the decks strategy or some other information.

Personally I decided to give longer comments only to decks that have a proper description. Why is that so? Before getting to MTGVault I was part of a German MTG Forum, which had some rules for deck-posts. One of these rules was that a deck without a description of at least the decks strategy, would be deleted. It was even advised that you should point out the key-cards of the deck and describe the purpose of those. Reading those descriptions helped me to evolve my deck-building and it also saved a lot of time.

For me adding a description to a deck on MTGVault is a sign of courteousness and appraisal for the people who look at you deck. They use their time to look at it and maybe even help you, so helping them to save time and nerves should be a matter of course.
If you don't want/ need any comments or help with a deck it's OK, but it could also be written down. Nothing's more frustrating than writing a comment for a deck and never getting and reaction from the builder.

How to Play

[u]What is a proper description?[/u]
A good deck-description doesn't have to be lengthy, but it should contain some basic informations. A red burn deck with states "burn your opponent to cinders" or a green stompy with "play big creatures" is basically to the point, but it can be done better and that quite easily. You can write up any information on the deck that you feel others could find useful. A short story why you did build this deck is as appreciated as information's on the build itself, the strategy, cardchoices, legality, and so on.
One of the most important things I can recommend to do is structure the description. Nothing is worse that having to read a wall of text, pause, and then have to look for the point where you just stopped reading. Take a look at books and magazines and learn a lesson from those by using titles, paragraphs or lists.

[u]What you can put into a deck-description[/u]
Strategy. An experienced players will be able to see what you had planned with a deck from the name of the deck or by taking a quick look at the cards. But if you write down such information's the people who look a the deck will need less time for figuring out what you had in mind and have more time to think how to improve it and make comments. Personally I use the Tag-system for this. When using combos give a rough description, the detailed one can be written down in the how-to-play section.

• Sources. The number of decks out there is vast and the possibility that the type of deck you just finished has already been built by someone else is quite high. If you figured the deck out yourself, congratulations (And I really don't mean this sarcastically ), if you didn't give some informations on your sources. This gives the original designer/ author some credits and allows other users to understand where you got your informations from.

• Special/ uncommon cards. When using an existing deck-type you can point out why you didn't use one of the cards used in this archetype, but instead another one. For example why didn't you use [[Slippery Bogle]] but [[Jungleborn Pioneer]] in an aura deck?

• Tests/ playing results. Have you already tested the deck, and if yes how did it behave? Especially game-results can be of interest fro other users, because this will tell them a lot on the strengths and weaknesses of the deck. If you had an epic fight against another deck, or experienced some funny moments you can also write those down. Even if it may not be of great interest for hardcore builders it might put a smile on their face... which WILL increase you chance for getting a comment or a like.


[u] What you always should put into a deck-description[/u]
Know all these are things that you can write down, but there are also some things that, in my opinion, you have to write down.
• Special rules. Most of the deviations from the normal rules are well known, like Commander, Pioneer or Pauper. Personally I like to use the deck-tag and deck-format system to point out those. But when you and your friends you're using really special rules, like some home-brew modifications, or something that is very new and not well known, you should give some informations on how this all works.

• Budget. If you have a certain budget for the whole deck, or per card, simply write it down, or you will get suggestions that will likely be out of your targeted budget.

• Legality. Especially standard decks change very fast and when building such a deck it's a good idea to write down some information on which sets where used. After one or two years another user might look at the deck and ask himself "This is tagged standard but none of these cards are standard legal any more. What's going on here?". Another example is a special ban-list/ card-range. A while ago I held a small pauper tournament for my friends. Since most of us started playing at or after M12 I decided to limit the legality to modern-only cards and use the modern ban-list instead of the pauper ban-list. Such information's have to be written down because none can guess this.


[u]What you could put into a how-to-play description[/u]
The general strategy of the deck, Aggro, Midrange, and how they're all named, should be in the deck-description or in the deck-tags. So it shouldn't be necessary to point out that e.g. one should attack as early and fast as possible with an aggro deck. But what you can do is give informations on priority of some cards. For example why you should play a [[Vampire Nocturnus]] first if you happen to have one on the hand and also a [[Bloodline Keeper]].
A thing often seen on aggressive decks is a god-hand description: What happens per turn if you draw the perfect hand, which will also gives a good impression of the most important cards in this deck.
For decks that use a combo one of the most important things is a description of this combo, what one will need and how one will get it running.


[u]What deck-tags you could use[/u]
Personally I'm using a standardized system deck-tags that I'm adding to each deck. Legality, colour usage, strategy, tested/ untested. This helps me to find certain decks in the growing list of decks I have built.
Further Information's you could add with deck-tags might be if you need help on the build, budget, extended strategy's, there's a ton of pre-set tags and you can even write up your own. Important is that you don't use too many of them as only the first 4 are displayed in the deck-list though and these are the crucial ones that, in combination with the deck-name, might or might not attract users of looking into your deck.

I hope I was able to give you some ideas on why and how you should write deck-, how-to-play description and use deck-tags.

Greetings
Muktol

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  • Not Legal in Standard
  • Not Legal in Modern
  • Not Legal in Vintage
  • Not Legal in Legacy

Deck discussion for Descriptions? Descriptions!

I'm glad you posted this, as it will definitely help me make some better descriptions. My descriptions are generally crap, but I'm never really sure what to add. And I agree with you that people should always put in a description. Usually, if I see a deck, the description is the first thing I look at. ::_:: <-- Spiderface

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Posted 02 February 2017 at 02:08

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These are only some ideas of what you can add. For example I added a short story on some of my early commander decks, just to make people smile and look at the deck.
The description should always be the first thing you look at (well the deck-tags should be the first thing because you see them before the description) because there could be some vital information's. Also it helps to speed up the progress of analysing the deck and thus gives you more time on commenting it.
A crappy description, which the designer thought about, is better than no description. And who knows, those 2-x sentences might be enough for many people as it shows that you have done your work. Maybe you don't have the language skills needed to phrase it out better (There are enough people here who's mother-language isn't English, including me) or you simply don't know how to tell it better...no matter, you have tried, and that's what counts.

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Posted 02 February 2017 at 08:25

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Nice. I'm glad this deck made the front page. And first place too!

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Posted 02 February 2017 at 16:37

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This needed to be written up. It's getting out of hand with the no description or how to play sections. Half the decks I look at don't have either and i makes me not want to comment or like at all.

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Posted 02 February 2017 at 02:35

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Usually I only like decks that have a description. I often try to give the builder a stimulus by commenting like "+1 if you add a proper description" or such things. My personal attitude on this one is: Why should I comment your deck when you even didn't take the time to add a description.
It's really sad to see how many decks here have no description at all. I dare to say that 50% is set to low I would go for 70-80%. The big problem is how to change this? Force the users to add a description? Then something like "Play fast or go home" for red decks will be standard. There are no sticky threads like a normal forum would probably have...

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Posted 02 February 2017 at 08:16

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Heh, I tend to detail my decks so much that few respond to them, and those who does I bark away with comments on how they don't understand the grand deck at all, so detailing CAN be overdone :D

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Posted 02 February 2017 at 15:05

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I rarely bother publishing decks now. I do have brief descriptions and "how to play" sections but have yet to receive a comment. I've got to the point where i use the site as a deck building tool for myself only. I had assumed that the site had no community at all.
As the OP felt the need to post this deck, I guess I was right.

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Posted 02 February 2017 at 16:28

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Post some decks. I, personally, will try to look at all of them (not sure my comments will be helpful, though, as I'm pretty much a noob).

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Posted 02 February 2017 at 16:41

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Well, I've added another deck. I will look at, and give my opinions on other decks too.

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Posted 03 February 2017 at 11:31

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Hey guys, for those of you that don't follow vault on Facebook, they're about to make some changes to the site, hopefully for the better. Let them know what you think!

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Posted 02 February 2017 at 23:57

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Hey, this is a great write-up, thanks a lot for taking the time to write it! :)

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Posted 03 February 2017 at 01:44

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Since I've seen this, I've been using it to write the sections. Thanks for writing this

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Posted 03 February 2017 at 18:41

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I don't fully agree on this. Not all people come here for the same reason. I rarely read descriptions, because they are either too long, too boring, or assume too much. I just come here to look at what cards people are playing together to get some inspiration. I don't care about having a deck that can win, I just want to create decks that could be fun to play and I also have a better understanding by looking at the cards than by reading a description from a person I don't know the experience level from.

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Posted 08 February 2017 at 08:31

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You don't read them, but they are, or at last should be, there for the people that want/ need them. It's often enough so that someone comes here in search for inspiration and looks at a deck that he doesn't fully understand, for such cases there is a description. Experienced deckbuilders don't have to look at it altogether, well maybe to find failures in it and correct the writer, but not all of us are experienced enough. Best example are fun-decks as you mentioned them. How can a new player differ between a competitive deck and something built to have fun but not necessarily win. In my opinion, by adding a description.
As this is not only supposed to be an article but also a discussion, what should a description look like for you to read and appreciate it? What do you want to have in it and what could be cut?

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Posted 08 February 2017 at 09:03

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Actually, I've personally found that I learn a lot more about my decks in explaining how to play them to others, than I often do from just playing them myself.
I tend to assume a lot for myself, but am more analytical when I'm aware that my thought process will be scrutinized by others. It's been really helpful to me, in building decks.

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Posted 08 February 2017 at 10:31

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I think that if a deck is competitive, it can be done with a tag. Same goes for casual. But I think it's just too much hassle to have to read (or write) some text just too see whether it's a competitive deck or not. When you mark a deck as unloved however, a description should be mandatory to explain why you don't love it or what part you want to improve.. because you are expecting others to respond rather than just look at it. I would read a description if it's short and doesn't go into detail. Let's say 5 lines max. I'm already happy people are taking the time to submit a decklist and making it public. If I am really interested and have questions, I'd just post a reply and hope they have the time to respond.

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Posted 09 February 2017 at 08:13

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I thought unloved was for decks that weren't getting much attention

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Posted 09 February 2017 at 12:28

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Basically yes stormtide, but when you have say 500 decks and you can unlove one deck per week you'll have to consider what you want. "Re"post a deck that is already good and has too few attention, with a high chance of it not being commented because you don't need any more help on it, or a deck that needs some work where other users can shine with their card- and basic knowledge.

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Posted 09 February 2017 at 18:46

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Posted 10 February 2017 at 11:41

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I just put my decks here for reference, and check the public option in case others want a look. I generally don't take the time for descriptions etc because strictly speaking, the decks are only here for my own benefit. Rather than keeping everything 100% private however, I don't see the harm in letting others have a peek. But downright expecting and/or demanding that I write a description of a deck I made purely for my own reference? No bro.

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Posted 30 March 2019 at 19:25

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If you don't want any comments then having no description is fine (at least for me, I simply close such decks as fast as I opened them). But if you want feedback, and that's what I assumed (and wrote: "...I want to have other people look at my decks and leave constructive comments") in this description, them at least some information should be given.

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Posted 31 March 2019 at 11:56

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I added descriptions and tags and alot of people don't comment or like so it I don't know if someone could look and tell me that'd be cool.

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Posted 09 February 2017 at 08:20

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Sometimes adding tags and descriptions won't get you anything. I have a few hundred decks and most of them don't have a single like or comment

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Posted 09 February 2017 at 22:20

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That also depends a lot on the friends you've made on this site. If you have some people following you, you will get comments, likes and reputation quite often. Maybe not on every deck but every second or third, depending also what you build...
It's thus also quite important to often comment and make friends. Someone who gives me XYZ good, constructive, comments is very likely to get onto my friend-list and thus I will look more often onto his site and see if he has new decks that I can help him with.

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Posted 10 February 2017 at 09:18

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Nice and informative sum-up of what should be in deck descriptions etc. For me the descrption and how to play parts describe the deck more than just simply looking at cards in the list above. I know that my descriptions are more or less...insufficient, but I'll try to improve my share in those aswell.

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Posted 09 February 2017 at 08:39

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This is great. I'll admit to skipping the description a few times, but I usually try to write something. This is really helpful though =]

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Posted 12 February 2017 at 06:32

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More people should heed this advice. I, for one, almost never click on a deck without tags and often close decks without descriptions. I would love to give suggestions and / or advice more often, but without tags and descriptions, how am I supposed to know what you are trying to achieve?

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 05:42

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That's the problem I'm having with many decks here. Open a deck, take a look at it, think 'this looks interesting, I would have one or two ideas to....' no description. It's just frustrating.

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 06:38

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Frustrating is one word for it ._.

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 07:35

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is it budget? is it competitive? modern? standard? is it a homebrew design? Seriously people, tags will get you more attention and constructive comments more than not having them will

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 09:30

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Another thing I've noticed being done that's starting to annoy me is people are listing the deck public while they're still adding cards, description, etc. This results in me commenting on something they where going to do anyway, wasting time for both of us.

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Posted 12 May 2017 at 09:38

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I've seen decks like that. It's one thing to make a rough deck that you need help on, but those unfinished decks are pretty annoying

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Posted 12 May 2017 at 15:40

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Unless it looks finished, I won't comment on it

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Posted 13 May 2017 at 01:20

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Usually if there is no unique title to it, doesn't have tags, or the description is empty (which I look at immediately) I tend to ignore the deck cause I lose interest since idk what's going on. Decks can get pretty complicated, especially when you don't know what inspired it.

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Posted 13 May 2017 at 02:12

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Thank you for this post, I've been going through some old decks recently and noticing a lot without descriptions. I have no idea what these decks do now because it's been so long. I've not been active on her for about a year, so I don't remember.

I wish we had more tools and accessibility for the descriptions, like images and constructive formatting. Reading descriptions, especially lengthy ones, are really unattractive and bland in the visual sense. I tend to lose attention and not retain what paragraph I had just read and would re-read it 3-4 times because text color blends.

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 06:58

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I never thought of this, though I get the same effect.. though formatting is a personal preference thing right? Or dies everyone wish the text style was different?

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 07:06

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I personally feel like the ability to format the description to however I please would add more interest and creativity towards the description, having this would possibly help your thought process and the readers attention towards details. Thus improving their responses and just a better time all around.

MTGV ain't pretty.

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 07:19

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Descriptions don't need to be pretty, nor very long. As long as you get the point across.

Also, getting a little creative with text can help some in making the description a little more appealing, if that's what you really want to do. You could just suggest the pictures and formatting thing in the forum section, there's a thread (threads?) dedicated to suggestions which I know Gary and Ian do read. The Vault has come a long way since I first joined and has only been getting better as they work on it.

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 07:34

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There where some possibility's to format a text with HTML-tags, like underline, links, bold text, and so on, a while ago. But they where disabled due to some problems with hyperlinks made by another user, if I remember things right.

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 08:26

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I do remember the ability to do that, and it was great. It's too bad it was disabled.

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 08:32

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There's a very good reason we don't have formatting in text boxes. Anyone that was using vault during the time that username Solarmovies123 was here and spamming EVERY FUCKING DECK ON THE SITE BE COULD. It was impossible to look at certain decks because he had used a formatting backdoor in the comments boxes to put a page redirect on every deck he commented on. unless you deleted the comments, which in itself was near impossible to do with the redirect, no one would ever be able to view the affected deck. It ended up that the account got banned and the admins did some emergency site maintenance to prevent it from happening again in the future. There was a deck on the hot page that was filled with nothing but comments flaming this guy and all the cards describing what people wanted to do to him.

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 09:35

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What an entertaining story, I wasn't active at that time I believe. There's always those people that gotta go and ruin things for everyone else, what a drag. I'm glad this is no longer an issue though, probably would've deterred me from using MTGVault.

You should check out my thread on the forums and share your thought's if you're interested:
http://www.mtgvault.com/forum/thread.aspx?ftid=10015

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 09:44

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I remember that hyperlink problem. I had a hand in getting it sorted out. I actively searched out as many affected decks I could find (he did miss quite a few, including most of mine). We've had some bumps throughout the years, but I believe the Vault is a better place thanks to the lessons learned.

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Posted 10 May 2017 at 09:49

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Agreed there ded

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Posted 11 May 2017 at 01:53

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I remember it too. It linked to some marvel movie.
There was a way to bypass it, but you had to move the mouse extremely fast and click on a certain part of the page.
It took me around 20 tries each post I wanted to read.

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Posted 15 May 2017 at 16:24

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gonna be honest, i didn't read all of it but i got the point and inspires me to write a deck description. Thanks and happy deck building. :)

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Posted 16 June 2017 at 21:54

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I like the card choice in this deck

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Posted 17 June 2017 at 00:02

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Bump!
This needs to be seen on the front page

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Posted 30 March 2019 at 18:18

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Fantastic article!

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Posted 02 April 2019 at 10:59

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