Budget Token Spam

any advice?

I thought about using glorious anthem as another buff but it didn't fit my budget u might be able to use it

i think honor of the pure could work better, slightly more expensive though

yep that's better

haha this deck has 4 likes already

when I get a chance im going to build 1 with darien and doubling season but I gotta be up for work in 5 hrs so not now lol

I'll be looking for that deck

Try out strionic resonator, it can double doomed traveler, heist honored monk, catharsis crusade, even oblivion ring. It would fit the budget and add some combo capability

That's definitely a good idea, I'm just having a problem trying to work out the weaker cards of this deck that I can remove them for more consistency. Any ideas?

-3 plains, -1 guildgate +4 isolated chapel. -1 holy day, -3 captains call. +2 strionic resonator, +1 devoted invocation, +1 growing ranks.

The less one-of's you have and the more multiples you have will give you a higher chance of drawing cards you need. If this is rout you wanna go you may want to buy the modern event deck that just came out, even if just for the mana base

the mana base in the modern event deck is atrocious. and Strionic Resonator? Really? What triggered ability would you be copying that it makes it worth wasting 2 slots?

Its budget, so it would be a good way to double the cards I listed in my above post. Pretty sure I answered all your questions. ITS BUDGET! lol that lasndbase would be cheap enough for this ( no need for city of brass)

Pretty messed up your going to down vote constructive comments though
The rest of my comment is undisputable about deck consistency, not like I'm lying to the guy

that comment was destructive. Strionic Resonator has no place in a token deck, and this is not the type of token deck that Growing Ranks is good in. I am aware that this is budget, and being budget does not mean you need to have bad cards. this deck needs +1 Souls, +1 Raise the Alarm, +4 Gather the Townsfolk and +4 Spectral Procession, not Strionic Resonator and Growing Ranks. I get that theres something like a $20 limit on these silly decks, but the thing about BW tokens is that it can be a VERY real deck for about $50, and a downright competitive deck for about $150. by far the cheapest "real" deck in Modern.

Well I would argue for burn being the best modern value. He has this under $20, so I was trying to keep it in that range. I wouldn't do the cards I suggested for a ptq or IQ, but budget decks really seem more casual\fun. Strionic is not a bad card, its fine as a 1 or 2 of in multiple decks if you have enough great triggers.

Like I said its good advice for keeping it under budget, looks like you may break it. Just helping with his theme, not tourney advice. Its cool if you have a different opinion

BW tokens is better in Modern than Mono R Burn, and RW Burn and RWB Burn both require a $250 mana base to operate smoothly.

Here's what I was liking-
http://www.mtgvault.com/zaklax13/decks/best-modern-budget/

I feel it can outrace a token deck.. Until the life gain. How do you feel about whip of erebos in b/w tokens?

you cant whip back tokens, and there are cheaper ways to give lifegain. Burn can outrace a lot of decks, but Tikens can be just as fast, and most competitive lists run THoughtseize and Inquisition mainboard, which leaves most opponents in topdeck mode. BW Tokens wants Vault of the Archangel for lifegain purposes, not Whip.

I was thinking for the actual creatures in the above deck, not the tourney one, sorry. magimaster could get life gain in his deck for cheap, and bounce his actual creatures back, like his geist monk

Vault is still probably better than whip. there isnt much value to be whipped back in the creatures in this list.

Vaults not too pricey, it could be snuck in here I'm guessing. If you post a tourney ready b/w tokens ninja I wanna see it, sounds promising from what you mentioned

ill see if I can find mine

here you go:
http://www.mtgvault.com/ninjastyle612/decks/bw-tokens/

I need to see if I can dig up my old esper token list. That deck was hated in tournaments.

I do like your ideas, Ninja, and so now that I've put them to use I have 65 cards, what do you think I should remove to get it back down to 60?

2 phantom general, 1 white sun's Zenith, Devout Invocation, and Nomad's Assembly all seem fairly weak

Not so sure about assembly or devout, they both have the potential to giver head of tokens, nomad can also give me 20+ 1/1s without much effort.

lamp is good, yes.

any ideas? I noticed that, but couldn't find a fitting card.

Doomed Traveler :)

it works well with hour of reckoning, definitely a smart addition. thanks for your help, how do you think it looks now?

I liked it. One up for me.

Thanks Jessie :)

good idea, thanks for the help

Some of the cards you suggested are pushing the budget for this deck, I don't want to see the price get much higher than it currently is.

- I've swapped Wake the Reflections for Rootborn Defenses.

- I've swapped Midnight Haunting for Lingering souls, and added some cheap Guildgates for the Flashback.

- Geist-Honored Monk in, Scion of Vitu-Ghazi out.

- I will have to think about Captain of the Watch, as tempting as it is I will have to think about how it will only affect a portion of the tokens as they are not all soldiers.

- I'm definitely trying to fit Emeria Angel in somewhere, I just can't find room for it.

-Devout Invocation, of course, has been added.

-Mobilization is pushing the budget of this deck, so, for now, I'm leaving it out.

What do you think of the deck now? Anything I can do to further improve this? Thanks a lot for your help, you are truly a great person.

Looks solid now.

During playtesting/first few games you should have an eye on Holy Day. I feel it could be a dead card most of the time. On the other hand you have zero artifact and enchantment removal. So, if I made this deck, I would replace Holy Day with Sundering Growth. However, that is a metagame call, if you primarily run into creature decks, Holy Day might be better.

And I can't wait for you to return. We'll all miss ya heaps.

We still haven't built that time machine... :(

Good idea thanks, ill definately have to find some room for it.

Growing Ranks is a good idea, but Entreat the Angels is $10, so for now I think I'll just use Growing Ranks.

No singing 'Hallelujah' for you then ;)

Devout invocation isn't good enough?

Spectral Procession is a bit too expensive for the deck right now, but I've put Raise the Alarm in.

you could also run Knight Captain of Eos instead of Holy Day. its a bit more expensive, but its a recurring fog effect, if you have a way to make additional soldier tokens.

That's a good idea, actually. How do you think this looks?

it looks like a budget token deck lol. theres only so much you can do, i suppose.

Yeah I think I'll just have to refine this deck down to the best possible for its price.

Maybe for the flashback cost of lingering souls

Yeah exactly.

i like the zenith, i think I will swap pledge for it, and see how that goes.

That's definitely something I'll look at adding, but I don't know what to remove for it. Any ideas?

Again, definitely something that would be great to add, but so do you think this deck has any weak cards I could remove for this?

I would personally drop 2 Raise the Alarm (not a very strong card in my opinion) for 2 Dictate of Heliod, then swap 1 Captain's Call and/or 1 Gather the Townsfolk for 1-2 Spear of Heliod (depending on cards removed). Other than that, it looks like it would be frustrating to play against. Hope my suggestions were helpful.

Raise the Alarm is easily the best card in this deck. There are enough anthem effects that Spear and Ordeal are redundant, and overcosted for what they do. I dont think you understand that the point of this deck is to make tokens, and dropping the cards that ACTUALLY MAKE TOKENS lowers your threat density in favor of cards that just make their removal stronger. Decks like this do not win on the back of 2 5/5's, they win because they make 15 3/3's and invalidate all of the removal your opponent has that doesnt wipe the board.

no, any token deck NEEEDS 4 raise the alarm. Ik dictate and spear are popular right now, but they are junk outside of standard, and unplayable in tokens.
the only standard card that could even stretch to make it is brimaz or precinct captain, cut i dont see anything worth cutting to make a slot for them. listen to ninja, you cantcut token cards in a token deck

this is a place to help someone build a deck, not to shamelessly self promote yourself. contribute to the current discussion, or go away.

just saying but usually if you want your deck on hot this is what you do dood

lol the hot list? is that a thing people care about? You could try building good decks, and getting there that way, instead of begging for likes, like an internet hobo.

due you realize people try to get on the hot list wouldn't you want to have 200 comments and 100+ likes. so why wouldn't you

because comments and likes mean literal nothing. You must be a kid. this seems like the kind of thing kids care about. like K/D on call of Duty and all that stuff. the point stands. contribute to the conversation, or go away.

why should i go away

because you have added nothing to this conversation, and are currently only here to troll.

fine i will

Huzza! Huzza!

Things certainly have changed...

I miss warlord already...

Yeah...

Holy crap, you got rid of a troll.

Reach me your ways, oh wise Ninja Style.

yet somehow still get downvotes....man, life is hard sometimes....

just solved that for you ninja... it was probably the MTGO goblin. the trolls stick together ya know

lol I dont need it fixed, tbh, its just funny. Thanks though

already got hour, but ive added captain.

instead of boarding Pithing Needle, I think 3 Rootborn Defenses in the board are a better option. saves your team, and advances your boardstate.

I like the rootborn defenses a lot. If he splashed black he could do Boros charm and young pyro, but I still don't see what slot I'd stick em in... So rootborn defense it is!

Black???

One does not simply splash black to add a red card.

tis true....

Thanks for the help guys, but what i really need help with is working out what cards to remove to bring this deck to 60.

Im sorry guys i meant splash red (facepalm)

No biggie. We knew what you meant. :)

if it were me, I would take out Captain of the Watch and Cathar's Crusade. youre trying to win quickly, and while these cards are powerful, they both require somthing to happen to activate them, which adds at least a turn to their value.

with red splash you can go assemble the legion!

And that is nice with porphurose, who's name is misspelled.

I agree that decks need answers to artifacts and enchantments, and that he should make a sideboard, I disagree, however, that Sundering Growth should be in it. There is potential for that one token made could be pretty big, but most likely, ittl just be another 1/1, and I dont think that the card cuts it in that case, when there are options like Wear//Tear for 1 mana, or Krosan Grip, which cannot be countered for one more mana, or even things that straight up exile them. Sundering Growth is better for decks that want to make more Wurm tokens, or Centuar tokens, or other fatties, where one can change the boardstate enough to matter. Good suggestion, but Modern decks these days demand the best answers, and I dont believe Sundering Growth is it.

I like the idea. Great with advent of the wurm or armada wurm. Not so great with a 1/1

Knight Captain plays defense, allowing you to commit all your guys to attacking, with the fog effect to keep you from dying.

and it combos nicely with Doomed Traveler, should have looked closer at the deck before I posted.

I run it in a Maze's End EDH deck, and I found out today that it works GREAT with Elspeth, Sun's Champion and Assemble the Legion...lol..Knight Captain is fast becoming a favorite of mine.

most people in a tournament setting are willing to give up game one of a match to a fringe deck. they tune their main deck to have a wider variety of answers to the metagame they expect, and then add sideboard cards to try to hedge against the oddball matchups or the matchups they know they struggle with. until Theros, there wasnt much need for standard decks to run mainboard enchantment hate, when cards like Abrupt Decay hit such a wide spectrum of things.

I totally understand the logic behind it.

Just saying...you should try to build an awesome, well-rounded, deck that can pull out an answer to anything thrown at you.

For example...you want to go to a local card shop and play a random person. You don't want to have to worry about best of 2 out of 3 games....or extra cards...or sideboard...you just want to bring a good deck.

And for you just to go up to a random person, with an unknown deck, and to play just one game...
you will want to bring a deck that has answers to creatures/enchantments/artifacts.

It just blows my mind to see a tournament winning deck that has no artifact/enchantment hate. Wondering how the hell they won any game/let alone an entire tournament with no cards that kill of artifacts/enchantments. Then you look at their Sideboard...and say, "oh, i see they have Naturalize. How weak!"

yeah, if you play a random person at a local card shop, it would be ok to have a card that deals with things, but to say a tournament list should do that is simply wrong. there are 60 spots in your main board, and presumably 24 of them are land spots. This only leaves 36 slots for spells, which is a tight budget, and you want those 36 spots to avoid being narrow answers if at all possible. Drawing a Naturalize against an all creatures deck kind of sucks, and drawing a shatter against the deck that doesnt run artifacts is awful. thats why they go in the board. If you lose to a Detention Sphere, you can board in enchantment removal to improve your deck against it. theres nothing weak about it, they build a well rounded deck to fight the meta, and get more specific after game 1.

I really cant think of a time i mainboarded enchantment or artifact removal in a constructed deck since mirridonn. that being said i do build an occasional casual deck, but to be well rounded you really dont want dead cards in your deck

Point taken Zaklax, that is why they are sideboarded in most tourney decks. Who wants to draw a Smelt when you just need one more Lightning Bolt to win the game?

And, NinjaStyle612...i think it is weak. Again, i totally agree with you! About sideboard. Tournaments. I TOTALLY agree with you. But i still can't help but find it weak. I hate sideboards in general. SUPER HATE THEM.

Here is where i disagree, "they build a well rounded deck to fight the meta, and get more specific after game 1."
IF it is well rounded, as you say, then they would have an answer to Detention Sphere in game 1. A deck is not well rounded if they use 36 cards in a deck AND YOU LOSE to one single Enchantment. That is the opposite of well rounded. That is a deck with a HUGE flaw. And to say, "well, i have naturalize in my sideboard because i didn't know if you would run any artifacts/enchantments." Again, that just seems uber weak. Almost like the sideboard is an easy way out. Not to say making a sideboard is easy.

But that is just the way it is, with Tournament play. Guess that is why i have never played one. Thousands of people, in standard, running the same boring 5 or 6 decks (minus a card or two). The Format sucks, as other people will agree on this site (here is to you Puschkin).

There will always be a distinction between tournament and casual play. Personally, I think it's no fun to tailor a deck list to beat a metagame. It does not take as much skill! For example, mill can destroy non-aggro decks, so I hate to see a mill deck brought to a midrange metagame. It takes away the "wild west" of legacy!

I prefer to see players winning with ingeniuty and guile,

No, i will not, Carl.

dude you posted this like 20 times on the hot list..

Well this is what MtGVault is turning into.

Speaking of, have you seen my new deck:
http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie says blah blah blah.

lol

Not a real link/post, but you get the point.

wait I don't get it, should we all post links to our decks?

lol no please dont. if it relates to the above deck you can, but you have to also give some sort of advice or suggestions. you cannot just spam the "hot deck" page

I understand my goodman! my comment was intended to reflect the absurdity of carlson spam linking his deck on multiple posts and not being able to recognize how discourteous he was being by doing so.

thank you for clarifying! i was getting nervous just thinking about all the links i would have to see...

Sarcasm is sometimes hard to catch, online. :)

Really? I didn't notice.

XD!

Yeah I can't work out what to take out

The sass?

Some tourney winning decks have been 62 and 63 cards.
Go figure.
It irks me though, and I have to keep my decks at 60.
So yeah, I hear you.

what

Livin' on the edge!