A New Deck Type is Born

Nice one! I'll put it in.

Dude, just look at this search:

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&cmc=+%3C[4]&text=+[land]+[graveyard]&type=|[%22Artifact%22]|[%22Enchantment%22]|[%22Creature%22]

You probably selected "and", not "or" for some category.

Too high mana cost to make it usable in this deck, though

NONSENSE! All combos are accepted here. =).

Besides, the slow speed makes the combo that much better when it's pulled off.

Use Borborygmos with Reliquary Tower.

But the upside to Boborygmos Enraged is that you can knock out multiple players at the same damn time, especially with Reliquary Tower

Good one.

Can't use Manabond ... doesn't fit in a 2 card combo... sorry.

That is good thinking!
Just in case they get rid of your seismic assault for, example, just draw it back!

yeah, and all the cards that you discard get put back into your library as well. :)

To be discarded again, I know : )

Kazzong, your suggestion is so awesome, you get an honorable mention. Wheel of sun and moon is.... Alright, imagine using it with Countryside Crusher.

You can put honorable mention in the description

That is awesome. Countryside crusher is awesome with that. dang...

Sorry, the combo doesn't work. See the next comment.

Very nice
I guess there are more combos than we would think for this deck, I will look for another and post it!

Dude, Countryside Crusher is ridiculous ... he is the entire combo BY HIMSELF. Just add a card to prevent him from milling your entire deck ... Wheel of sun and moon anyone?

Yes, I agree with wheel, probably the nicest combo there is!

WAIT ... the wheel does not work with Countryside Crusher. The lands don't enter the graveyard when the Wheel is in play, and therefore they do not trigger the giant's ability. =(.

dang... I forgot that. oh well. still very usefull though.

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It's so sad ... I MUST find a way for Countryside Crusher to work! Wait a second: Elixir of Immortality works just fine XD!

dang... I forgot that. oh well. still very usefull though.

Earth to Kazzong ... do you have time to check 2 decks of mine? They are Good (k)night! and Pentarch Nemesis.

Sure. (sorry about the multipost... and the late response. phones hate this site.)

Thank you for your input.

It won't win .... you need a card that can target a player, then you're golden!

Oh oops, missed the creature only.

Still, it's great fun if you shoot a consuming aberration with it XD.

Nice one man!

Please give me a combo with Reliquary Tower. Lightning Storm is in.

Just add 4 reliquary tower into the deck: it's a land so it won't hurt you from drawing with treasure hunt, but I will try to come up with a combo

Psychosis Crawler: Kagemaro, First to Suffer: Aeon Chronicler: Overbeing of Myth: Sturmgiest: Sylvan Yeti: Soramaro, First to Dream.

I 07 (salute) you! I'll check all these out. Nice job.

Bulwark, Neverending Torment, Promise of Power, Scent of Cinder, Spiraling Embers.

Stop it! I need to catch my breath.

Got em all, and found 2 more in the same vein!

Scent of ginger won't do any good here. You have to reveal trees cards. And lands are colorless. :(

Read the description. Lands represent ... whatever you want them to be.

Change "most combos" to "some combos".

Specifically, combos with graveyard-based triggered abilities don't work well with Reliquary Tower.

Reminds me of the cycle combo, nice deck , just made this one http://www.mtgvault.com/dragon77/decks/teeg-bound/

Sorry dragon77, I can't visualize your combo. Can you help me work it out?

Erm, tmw30, please explain your combo more clearly.

A artifact called fluculator , and use creatures with 2 cycling in it d songs of the dammed and exsauuagte for fun, that idea and cycle lands help too

Ah ... nice! It doesn't fit here I'm afraid =(.

That's a nice card. It reminds me of Training Grounds.

The idea is to just cast Ad Nauseam, and put cards in your hand until you can't anymore. You would take life equal to the mana costs, but because of the nature of your curve, you could draw thirty plus cards no problem. Then, drop 3-4 lotus petals, pop 'em, plays the seismic assault, and go to town with the insane damage you have in your hand, reliably.

I like it. Such devious thinking!

Read the deck description.

I like it!

I'll see if it works.

I'm sorry, I can't find that card.

http://www.mtgvault.com/card/deadbridge-chant/DGM/

Thank You. You should use MTG gather though ... =).

Sorry, I don't see the combo ... which 2 cards are you using?

Nice one grim.

Just give me a moment to catch up =)!

Lightning Storm is already taken, but I'll put Terravore in.

The lands are just placeholders. I will see if I can add anger here.

And yes, this is the brainchild of Northern's $1 deck and my thirst for combos.

oh, I know that!!!! :) as for anger, it is really only useful in here if you have creatures, like NorthernWarlord's. so perhaps a BRU version would be interesting. The fascinating thing about this deck type, is that it is so simple, and can run in pretty much any color as long as it has blue for the treasure hunt. :)

Or red for Country Crusher =).

Nice combos, but I think Lycandros takes the take for most combos made. I appreciate your input!

This does not work =(

Treasure hunt is all the deck search this deck needs. It guarantees that you will draw the other combo card, or another treasure hunt.

but if you don't get it 4 out of sixty cards then or it gets countered is all i am thinking, is all i am getting at ! The a red land that allows you to shuffles pay one, mad something , it may help maybe

Mulligan! If it's countered or removed, you're screwed. Pray it isn't.

I like that red land idea though.

It's called madblind mountain. It needs to be in an all red combo .... Like Countryside Crusher and Elixir of Immortality! Thanks dragon!

They say it sucks ... looks like we are going to prove them wrong!

Some variations are pretty cheap. Zombie Infestation and Treasure Hunt cost 1$.

The exotic orchards are merely placeholders, see the description.

I replace them with Terramorphic Expanses.

Ah.

It's to early for this man.

At least I'm proud to say I actually read what people type here instead of just jumping to saying add relic towers when people don't want them lol

Thank you for your consideration in commenting. It really makes it easier for both the deck builder and viewers of the comments. My hat is off the you!

That's easy but takes to long to pull out.

One of my first deck ideas I gave to my girlfriend to do when I got here in to the game

Not if you have the Lotus Bloom+ Pentad Prism package, then you can power it out on turn 4.

That is very true I do apologize lol

But it fails to be a 2 card combo. I can't include it here =(.

... but I am interested. Could someone give me a link to it?

Stuffy Doll + Pariah is okay. It's much easier to drop other spells. Why not make yourself hexproof, or have a creature that doesn't allow you to lose the game, or perhaps put a creature with lifelink down?

On the other hand, Stuffy-doll combos with so much else. Jade Monolith, Redirect, any blue shenanagins, any spell that deals damage to a creature you control, etc. Why not make a deck around IT, not the combo, which is hard to set up?

In sum, the combo doesn't come from cards with unseen potential. Stuffy Doll is so ridiculous, the combos with it are expected. It's like comboing with Jace, The Mind Sculptor. Why not enjoy that awesome sense of discovery when you come up with a neat new combo?

Stuffy doll is okay one on one, but it loses target when that player dies , throw blue in to make copy maybe , not a bad combo , but takes six turns unless mana ramp to start

Or treasure hunt can "tutor" for itself and Zombie Infestation. Other cards, no matter how good, will kill this combo, unless they are lands.

I know, it's a weird way of making a deck, but it actually works.

:-) thanks for this idea im gonna piss some people off

Wizards must have known that Treasure Hunt was so easy to break ...

Alright, I'll put it in.

It's a little slow though ...


You have inspired me to make a rat deck!

Sorry, none of these work in this deck... it has a maximum of 2 different non-land cards, to maximize both the probability of drawing the combo and the number of land cards one can expect to have, either in hand or in the graveyard. While the all are awesome, I think only timetwister can be used in a combo. It goes w/ Countryside Crusher, but it is outclassed by elixir of immortality. Oh well, I will still include it.

Not so fast!
Ghost Town is a land and therefore doesn't interfere with the combo.
The Wheel, Windfall and Timetwister are draw-7-effects in case you get stuck. In which way is Elixir better? It does nothing worthwhile ... Also, I was under the impression that you are seeking for cards that combo with the combo OR Seismic Assault/Treasure Hunt individually. At least that's what you said in the description. Otherwise I fail to see why there are cards like Fastbond or Conflagrate in your list ...

Elixir is good for 4 reasons:
1- it is colorless, so it does not need any lands.
2- it's cost is broken into 2 parts, which makes it easier to cast (turn 2 at the earliest).
3 - it gives you 5 life.
4 - it shuffles itself into your library, so it can be used multiple times

It has 1 disadvantage - it is vulnerable to removal, especially before turn 3.

Timetwister combos with countryside crusher only, since he has to provide the deck search.
I think I specifically said that you are seeking for cards that combo with the combo , and treasure hunt is assumed to be the card you are using to complete the combo, unless you say otherwise or include 2 cards.

This blip is courtesy of you (in a good way), so you get an honorable mention:

All combos must consist of only 2 cards - (1) a deck-search (usually Treasure Hunt, but sometimes Countryside Crusher) and (2) a card that takes a ridiculous advantage when a the large number of land cards in your hand, available to be discarded, or in your graveyard.

Please don't suggest removal or cards that will "protect" the combo. While the suggested cards will help the combo if it gets stuck (i.e., the deck-searcher or combo card is countered/removed), they also serve to hamper the treasure hunt (or other deck-search), which now has a lower probability of finding the other half of the combo and will probably draw less lands (there are less lands and less space between them).

I know why Elixir is good in other decks but I fail to see why it would be of use in this deck. It breaks the combo and contributes nothing. Unless you think reshuffling your graveyard is contributing which is nonsense - you only need 10 lands to kill your opponent.
Timetwister and Wheel of Fortune on the other hand replenish your hand. I didn't suggest Timetwister for the shuffling effect, I suggested it because for just 3 mana you draw 7 new cards which are either lands or combopieces. Without such a draw-7-effect you might run into the situation where you have Seismic Assault out, used a Treasure Hunt but ran into another Assault and got not enough lands to kill. Or you don't draw a Treasure Hunt at all. Or we use it, draw into our first Seismic Assault, but don't have enough mana left to cast it the same turn and then hae to discard most of the lands. In all of these cases we get stuck and Wheel/Twister is a way to get out of it. They wouldn't be needed if we could add more than 4 Treasure Hunts, but this isn't the case.

Elixir of Immortality combos with Countryside Crusher, not Seismic Assault!

4 Countryside Crusher + 4 Elixir of Immortality + 52 Mountains.

Timetwister is strictly worse than Elixir ONLY with respect to this combo.

And this deck assumes you have a treasure hunt in your starting hand. If you don't, mulligan until you do! (There is an approximate 50% probability you wont in the starting hand)

Finally, madblind mountain is a worse search card, but it doesn't get in the way of treasure hunt.

Countryside Crusher is not in the main deck ... it is still very confusing what should combo with what :)

About the mulligan, what kind of mulligan rule do you assume is used? Usually, with each mulligan, you draw one less card, so you can't mulligan aggressively as much as you like.

Yes, but you have a 1 - (56/60)×(55/59)×...×(50/54) chance of getting one. That's pretty good odds (around 50%).
That translates to a virtually guaranteed chance by the 5th or 6th mulligan.

In fact, the risk of not starting with a Treasure Hunt is negligible compared to the risk of your combo being countered.


Sorry about the difficulty of seeing combos. I tried to list them in the description.

Yeah ... but what if treasure hunt picks up those spells and not the other half of the combo? If you want to add other spells, you can't use this combo as well.Heck, treasure loses it's OP nature as a deck search + draw card.

On the other hand, why not make a land discard deck? Wheel of sun and moon would be amazing. Trokair is great for a sacrifice. Basically, take all the discard cards, lose treasure hunt, and replace it with Countryside Crusher.

Or you could go Library of Leng, Reliquary Tower, and Lycandros' many cards.

hmmm.... not quite two cards, but It's so funny, I think I will include it!

And that contributes to Seismic Assault/Treasure Hunt ... how?

You honestly can't see the utility of Crucible of Worlds + Seismic Assault? Discard a land, deal damage with it, then put it straight into play. Strip Mine syncs beautifully with the crucible, doesn't mess with treasure hunt, and helps keeps your opponent on the back foot.

You've gotta be doing something to keep the board clear before the combo goes off: you're not going to get it every time.

This combo can only use 2 nonland cards. What you are talking about is amazing, but it needs to be in a dedicated land discard deck!

And it does mess with treasure hunt ... the hunt is less effective with another nonland card in the deck, lowering both the number of land cards you can expect to get and the probability of completing the combo.

Exactly, you can crucible the discarded lands from the graveyard into play but you need them in your hand. By the time you have Seismic Assault out you do not need any more land in play. Trade Routes would be more suitable - you can cycle through your hand prior or after Seismic Assault hit play.
Of course, having a Strip Mine in the mix wouldn't hurt but if you try to build your deck around that (or the Crucible) you would dillute the main combo.

I will put it in a different discard deck, though. Countryside Crusher, Seismic Assault, Crucible of Worlds, etc.

Wheel of sun and moon? Countryside Crusher? Isochron Scepter or Panoptic Mirror?

isochron scepter is my favorite card but only works for instants the only one of those that would work would be panoptic mirror and its just really slow

Treasure Hunt is an instant =).

From the database and pic it says this

Treasure Hunt

Sorcery 1U

Oh well, imprint fork onto isochron scepter!

Nicely done man!

But how to cast it ... with manabond!

OMG thats epic

Thank you, I am here all day =).

I think that this is a tad more awesome though:

Vampire Nighthawk + Thornbite Staff (in a vampire deck with ... Blood Artist and company)

Thanks for talking' about the Thornbite staff, just updated my blood artist, Noble deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/lycandros/decks/blood-for-blood/

What have I done XD!

Very cool deck.

Expensive though =).

So... *COUGH*proxy-deck*COUGH*... Excuse me... Sorry about that. Something in my throat. :)

Lol, nice one.

I try. :)

They didn't name it Jace, The Wallet Sculptor for nothin'.... Oh wait they didn't. Also to be honest if my friends are proxy-decking Emrakul I feel like I wouldn't complain....

LOL, that's a great nice name. In fact, you just got the deck renamed!

NICE! And a whole new deck search mechanic to boot! Keranos can combo with SO much else.

I am impressed. You get an honorable mention.

Yay!!!!!!!
This is the only combo I found that wasn't suggested, and I get honorable mention!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey ... I found another search card ... Courser of Kruphix
And she combos with Dungrove Elder.

Dude, this is a Really good combo! And you can protect dungrove elder with Hexproof!
You deserve honorable mention!

Can't, it's my deck =). Some likes would be nice, though.

*sees a new deck type being born.*

Yeah, I already liked it a long time ago, sorry!
Did you find out what the name of the simulator is?

Drat I forgot! Thanks for reminding me.

I'm trying to find all the "head creatures" of each guild (1 of each), can you help me?
here is what I found:
Guardian of vitu-ghazi (selesnya)
Razia, boros archangel (boros)
Ulasht, the hate seed (gruul)
Teysa, orzhov scion (orzhov)
Niv-mezzet, the firemind (izzet)
Momir vig, simic visionary (simic)
Grand arbiter augustin IV (azorius)
Rakdos, Lord of riots (rakdos)
Svadek, Lord of secrets (dimir)
Savra, queen of the golgari (golgari)

I think you have it. I am pretty sure there are 2 "leaders", one from the first block, and the other from "Return to Ravinica". However, I think, Trostani is a better choice for "leader" of the selesnya.

With keranos you would only get one extra draw per turn. he isn't really a combo hate to say.

I decided to add the guild "homes" or lands, too. Please comment and vote!
Yeah, you're right about keranos

If you add the Courser of Kruphix, you may add Oracle of Mul Daya as well.

Nice one dude!

ok, this deck has been posted as public. Hopefully I can get some more help on it. :)

That's why you add a playset of reliquary towers for this particular combo, and even then, you still have more lands to draw

This might be one of the few decks where Sandstone Needle might be worth adding.

Once a deck has many likes, it goes to the hot page (usually 5-6, I believe comments also help)
Also, the quickest way is to ask your friends to help by checking out your decks and liking them.
As a matter of fact, I will check them out when I can, and will probably have to do some researching first

O7 Good man Barracuda.

If you notice, most hot decks come from an inner circle (or, more appropriately, one of several groups of deck makers) on this site. Getting in touch with these guys (or gals) lets you get more likes and advice.

Yep, that's how I got mine on the hot page: thanks to NorthernWarlord and knightofthehokeypokey (and others, but mainly them helping me)
I'd say NorthernWarlord is the one making the most hot decks

Well, Northy makes the most decks ... period.

Also, he is specialized in insane things. I don't know swarmer very well.

More decks, more hot decks, more insane decks and ideas, more budget!
But when you make a deck, it is most likely a hot deck
I don't know swarmed well either

Hmm ... mission parameters adjusted. Secondary target = Swarmer. Seriously, I suggest that we get to know him.

Oh, and I am getting real close to that simulator:

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/td/2014/td_wk17_297_5_large.jpg

I found this on a Wizard's page ...

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/td/297

Yes, I see that one everywhere!
I will try to get to know swarmer better, that was my plan, actually

Yay, my subliminal mess - *ahem* - that sounds like a great idea!

Awesome, thanks guys. I really appreciate it.

That kinda sounds like it would play like an egg deck of some kind.

True but, doesn't fully go into a full egg, mostly would just add as an added backup incase removal would hit the main combo. But, more or less just an added insurance idea.

That makes sense. Egg is funny though. I wish I could made a good egg deck.

I'll make sure to visit. Elixir of Immortality + Relic of Progenitus said I should. =)

http://www.mtgvault.com/s0rinmark0v/decks/borborygmos-smash/
Similar concept to this one