Landslide

Sad face.

Funny, the deck did make it to the hotlist in no time though. That's an interesting thought.

Then I only need to make s single change to this deck really.

thats probably because Kazzong is a well known user and there are many new players who don't even know of the existence of obsolete card types eg. summon, mono artifact, poly artifact, continuous artifact, interrupt

there. edit made. The deck is a little slower now, but I can still do the same thing. :)

Anyone can get a top hot deck if their deck has at least 4 likes and X comments while still on the "New" page.

Ah, I didn't know those were the requirements. Sweet!

Thanks for the info KJSJ!

Thank the decks that had 4+ likes and X comments on the hot page. I was merely using simple observation.

http://www.mtgvault.com/knightofthehokeypokey/decks/firepower/

Well, I require your expert observational skillset!

http://www.mtgvault.com/kjsj3/decks/until-northys-return/


How's everyone been?

Not bad I guess. Looking to polish a couple of new decks. But nothing crazy really. You?

I'm fine, thank you for asking.

They just don't make 'em like they used to

Welcome to the free market.

Wizards has had issues with their card stock for a long time now. Mostly just the U.S versions though. Europes mtg singles are made from better card stock if you want to order internationally.

Actually I have dizzy spell to search for most of those.

Ah I missed that ^-^ Still doesn't fetch Filigree, but Gamble does. Academy Ruins, perhaps, in case it backfires? Either way, smexy mill deck!

Yeah filigree sages was the most card that went in to makes the whole thing work. Didn't know that I needed it until after the deck was posted. Hence there is no search cards for it.

Hey, how bout darksteel citadel? It's hard to destroy and can be umtapped ...

True, but it only creates colorless mana. :(. Otherwise I would totally agree. :)

Thank you. I am glad you liked it.

How about Vedalken Artificer?

And here they are!

Synod Artificer - replacement

Etherium Sculptor

It's not infinite, but don't get greedy! =)

Hmmm. Let me take a look at them.

Not bad. But sadly not what I am looking for here. By no means a bad card though. :). I could think of several evil things to do with that card. * gives evil grin.*

I am thinking of re-doing this deck. With magus of the candelabra instead. Which might make things a tad easier to work with. No mill because of the green, but I am sure that i can figure something out.

(not to mention making it WAAAAAAAY cheaper.)

I thought about it, but it needs to tap to untap other artifacts. Which kills the infinite combo.

Spell Pierce huh? Ok. I guess that my thinking was a tad too niche. Was worried about wheel of sun and moon. Spell Pierce allows for a bit more flexibility. I was thinking perhaps swan song might fit s well. What do you think?

And can you think of a better card than filigree sages?

Actually no, to my recollection there's no card other than Filigree Sages with a non-tap related activation for untaping a target artifact.

Dang... That kinda sucks. Oh well.
At least the sages will work. :)

Any thoughts on combo protection? Would FoW be a good fit here, or do you think that power sink is sufficient?

Well you really can't go wrong with FoW if you're talking about combo protection...

Voltaic Construct, Clock of Omens + 2 artifact lands, Dross Scorpion, Kiora's Follower + Pemmin's or w/e..... Glen Elendra Pranksters + Pestermite... Capsize?.... Yeah, strictly speaking, there IS a better option (Voltaic Construct) but it suffers the same problems as Filigree.

Well my biggest concern was that I want sure if I had enough blue cards to be able to play FoW for free on a consistent basis. Obviously after combo is in place I can hard cast it just fine, but up until then... I only have 15 blue cards as is.

Voltaic Construct only untaps artifact creatures. It wouldn't work on the Candelabra =/

Yeah... And it is more than sages anyways.

What about testing out the still standard combo of kiora's follower + illusionist bracers? Would that work?

Well... It WOULD work. But it also adds another card for me to have out, which adds another turn to go off.

This deck went from a 2 card infinite combo, (because only 1 of the pages for Candelabra has the erratad rules) to a 5 card combo, which is counting the 3 (instead of 1) lands it needs because of Filigree Sages' 3 mana cost for its ability.

so while the Follower + bracers is technically cheaper manawise to actually use... it seems like it costs me an extra turn and adds an extra color. I don't have any green in here as of right now...

would the lack of needing extra land make up for needing another piece out? that is a tough call... and now that I think about it... I pretty good suggestion.

What do you guys think?

In the case of utilizing Illusionist's Bracers, I think you'd be better off running a creature with "T: Mill" and focus more on creature activated abilities It would seem like you'd be shifting enablers which better enable a different type of deck (infinite mana, infinite tapdown, infinite counter, infinite damage...), but running a more-complex-than-necessary mill combo just because. That sort of stuff bothers me when I design decks, but maybe I'm just quirky ^-^ It could definitely fit, and fit well with Candelabra, I just think at that point it'd be better off as a slightly different deck.

Also, my bad on Construct. I have a really bad tendency to just miss entire words!

yeah, its all good. Everyone misses stuff sometimes. people are only human.

Could you pass this along?
Just wanted to get the word out
http://www.mtgvault.com/kjsj3/decks/would-you-like-to-play-a-game/
Read the description. It should clear things up.

sure, and feel free to post this link on any of my decks as well. :)

Dreadwater? I shall check it out.

Kind of. I only intend on having a few lands out really. They are... Contingency.

Thanks. :) can you think of any way to improve it?

Hmm, I'll tell you if I find anY more cards for this deck! :)

sounds good. thanks. :)

Lol... yeah, it is. Didn't even think about that. :)

Well, normally sol ring would be a welcome addition, but I don't know what I would take out.
Also, I wanted to use as few"power cards"as possible. Hence I have no tinker, sol ring, mox cards or lotus cards.
The 0 mana creatures are a fantastic idea though.
Perhaps shield sphere? What might you do to fit them in here?

I would take out a handful of land cards (3 or 4).

I might trade an instant for a powerful artifact creature like Obsidian Golem or Clockwork Beast (2 or 3 copies)

Disregard that second part.

hmmm... dang. that would mean taking out one of the more important parts of this deck. I COULD go with just the dimir colors, but that might leave me severely lacking in defense. I could go Rakdos, but that would kill my combo. that is certainly a tough puzzle to figure out. :(

I say Lavaclaw Reaches is suitable for cutting ... I would only add the Shield Spires or Orthinopters. Adding heavy artifact creatures would require a general overhaul of the deck. Sol ring is good, but methinks you have nothing to ramp into.

Kazzong (and company) I could use some help buffing a deck of mine to an even better polish. Please take a look - comments, questions, and concerns all accepted and asked for!

http://www.mtgvault.com/knightofthehokeypokey/decks/firepower/

Well the ramp was designed to fuel lavaclaw, and for the mill of drownyard. I will certainly SB for now, and see how things balance out and see what can be replaced with what. :)

Man, turning shield spires and orthinopters into squadron hawks is such a great plan I am going to make a deck around it.

Well, I can answer that. For a land to be a valid target for spreading algae, it has to have a swamp type, but not necessarily the name swamp.

Interesting note: a creature token's name is the same as the types it came into play as unless otherwise specified.

Changing the color of mana a land produces does not change what type it is. The cards must specifically change the type (by saying something along the lines of "target land(s) is now a swamp").

Another interesting note is that all lands are colorless (unless they become a creature), so changing a land's type does not change what color it is.

Hope this helps!

"Change the text of target permanent by replacing all instances of one color word with another or one basic land type with another."

So, if it says that quote up above. Like Mind Bend and Trait Doctoring. Those cards would work, right? Since they change land type.

But cards like Sleight of Mind and Glamerdye "Change the text of target spell or permanent by replacing all instances of one color word with another" do not work, right?

Another question, before I try to build the deck:

Spreading Algae reads like this:

When enchanted land becomes tapped, destroy it.
When Spreading Algae is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return Spreading Algae to its owner's hand.

So...do I have to put Spreading Algae on a land AND THEN IT BECOMES tapped to destroy it? Or can I put a Spreading Algae on a land THAT IS ALREADY TAPPED, and instantly destroy it?

You are quite right. In fact, sleight of mind can't target lands, since colorless is not a color to be changed.

Secondly, the target phrase is enchant land. Enchant is the key word here. Any land is valid. Then, the second phrase refers to the conditions for destroying the land. Since this effect occurs after the spell had resolved, it cannot affect the validity of targeting the spell.

Now you have a problem. Your opponent can choose to not tap his land. I have a solution: hidden strings. Bring along an invisible stalker and a dimir infiltrator and you are home free. In fact, you can bring other nasty cards like psychic venom and chronic flooding along.

It does not destroy the land of it is already tapped. It must be tapped after enchanting it to destroy it.

Hey Kazz, how have you been?

Oh... Meh I guess.

My solutions are Twiddle and Dream's Grip...
Opposition and stuff like Memnite and Ornithopter...maybe. Or Opposition, with hex creatures like the Stalker.
Mind Games with it's buyback could be a lockdown card.

Thanks for the info on the rules. :)

May try something like Dingus Egg for the win condition. Maybe use that Invisible Stalker as an alternate win condition.

Mind games is pretty good. I like that. :)I know several decks that could abuse that pretty well.

Capsize is also very nice, in that sort of fashion. The ability/buyback of the card can be game changing as well as a lockdown of the opponent's board.

But thanks to the above advice, I have a deck in mind now. One expensive deck using Urborg, tomb of Yawgmoth and Rishadan Port. With Spreading Algae and Copy Enchantment. And another one, semi budget taking out the Urborg and Port cards.

The Waste Not card looks cool.
Too slow for pure discard, but definitely a fun looking card.

All I've heard is the story. But I'm not soo sure whether or not it is only for Duel of the Planeswalkers...
Garruk is now EVIL! Some sort of artfact has cursed him (yes, again.) and now instead of hunting beasts, he's hunting Planeswalkers

Waste not, raven's crime, and geth's grimiore would be a powerful combo.

Yes indeed. There is so many cards that combo with it. Fun stuff, for sure!

Look like fun made this deck, http://www.mtgvault.com/dragon77/decks/unblockable-and-thief-fun/

I don't know that card, and I can't seem to find it here. What is it?

New Magic 15 card.

Lol... That would explain why I couldn't find it. :)

you do tap candelabra. its a "mono" artifact, which means its meant to be used once a turn, so it taps. very old card type

oh, ok, thank- wait then doesn't that kill the combo?

thats why he needs the sages to untap it. so you have 2 izzet boilerwork and 2 dimir aquaducts, tap all to make 8 mana, than use 4 to untap all the lands, 3 to untap candelabra, for a net gain of 1 mana, repeat this process 21 times to make lavaclaw reaches a 20/2 creature and swing for win. or you could do it 50 times to mill your opponent 51 cards

but you said turn 4 in the descrpiton, sorry I was confused, that makes much more sense

Oh its not my deck, I just looked up the rules to figure it out lol its a complex setup

Thanks for the explanation. I can't explain most of my more complex combos very well without showing them. :(. Words are complicated.
even though I know how it works, explaining it is hard. Is it ok if I put your explanation in the description?

Go for it!

updated the description. :) oh, and Zaklax13, since you know how the deck works, what do you think of it?

I love infinite combos. If I could afford candelabra I would play it at our legacy tourneys. I do one with isochron scepter, final fortune, and sundial of the infinite, to make unlimited turns.
(Its on my page check it out) I have think you made a winning combo, looks like turn 4 or 5 it triggers usually

yeah, I will check it out. :) I don't think that I have ever seen a combo use sundial before. that sounds very interesting.

I would appreciate it if you would take a look at any of my other decks as well. most of them aren't all that good, but are fun in casual.

I like your decks, you have some of the more original win-cons i have seen

thanks, I have tried to build more unique decks. even though they may not be the most "competitive" they are still pretty fun and can work fairly well I think.

yea i have a couple random fun ones i like to play with. i do alot of fnm and ptq's/iq's so i do have alot of more tournament- oriented decks

I do have a couple that are higher quality decks. Fast Control is pretty competitive I think. Essentially it is an orim's chant-scepter control deck that goes off on turn 2, if I recall correctly.

yea that would give me a run for the money... itd be who takes play first lol.
well i just traded out my blue moon, im going mono black modern now

Mono black is pretty solid from what I hear.

Mono black has always been solid. Vampires and zombies are friggin ridiculous. Gravecrawler and Vampire Nighthawk, I.e.

In all honesty I hadn't thought about noggle hedgemage. I was kind of looking for a VERY creature light deck. I really only have filigree sages here because I need a card to untap candelabra. And I am still looking for a card to do it cheaper. (but probably not going to find one.). We shall see I guess. :).
Other than that, normally I would say that Noggle Hedgemage would be an excellent suggestion. :)

This deck now has 100 comments.

Yay! Damn good deck, deserves them all

Thanks. :). I am glad that people like it enough to comment.

dont suppose anyone could check my doomgape deck out? i need advice

I'll get around to it.

Training ground would certainly be useful. That is an excellent suggestion. But how to fit it in?

And galvanic key taps as well sadly. :(

Crap...missed that the Key tapped.

You can't get another dude that doesn't tap, but you need another card for a substitute. Synod Artificer can replace the candelabra. He can also perform royal mana screws.