Is "Indian Giver' Racist?

by Jessie on 13 October 2014

Main Deck (60 cards)

Instants (10)


Artifacts (3)


Enchantments (3)


Land (23)

Sideboard (0 cards)

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Deck Description

Very basic idea.

Trade stuff with your opponent.

THEN take back your stuff!

It leaves you with your opponent's stuff AND your stuff.

How to Play

Steal your opponent's stuff AND in return give your stuff to your opponent with:

Reins of Power
Sky Swallower
Cultural Exchange
Thieves Auction

Take your stuff back:

Bazaar Trader
Brand
Gilded Drake

After you are finished stealing all of their stuff...and taking your stuff back, finish the game with:

Day of the Dragons, for the win.

Deck Tags

  • Is the term
  • "Indian Giver"
  • Political
  • Correct?

Deck at a Glance

Social Stats

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Mana Curve

Mana Symbol Occurrence

0330160

Card Legality

  • Not Legal in Standard
  • Not Legal in Modern
  • Legal in Vintage
  • Legal in Legacy

Deck discussion for Is "Indian Giver' Racist?

Is there too many cards that give away my cards?
Do I need to add control/counter/destruction cards?

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Posted 13 October 2014 at 22:50

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The inly one I'd swap for some thing like that would be bazaar

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Posted 14 October 2014 at 09:22

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hahahahahha interesting

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Posted 13 October 2014 at 23:06

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Brand is neat as hell.
You actually allowed me to make a deck using it!!!

Basically, let us say I have 3 creatures and opponent has 3 creatures
Right?
Now I play Reins of Power.
I take my opponent's 3 creatures and give my opponent my three 3 creatures
THEN I play Brand, taking back my 3 creatures.
End Result = I have 6 creatures.

Same thing with Cultural Exchange.
I give all of my creatures to my opponent. He gives me all of his.
I play Brand to get my creatures back.

OR I play something like Cultural Exchange and steal their stuff THEN play Day of the Dragons to kill their creatures, and I get 5/5 red dragons for them!!

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Posted 13 October 2014 at 23:40

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This hella evil , man, just thievery romanticised

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Posted 14 October 2014 at 09:25

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Posted 14 October 2014 at 14:03

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Indeed. Just a deck for someone...so I did not take weeks on it.
Also needs removal/counter spells too.

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Posted 14 October 2014 at 15:21

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Posted 15 October 2014 at 17:24

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Here is the thing with Tourney decks...what are you going to comment on?
Obviously they are great because they win Tourneys...so what is left to comment on?
What are you going to say? Suggest?
"Good tourney deck there, good sir! Maybe drop Card A to 3 copies and raise Card B to 4 copies. And add Card C in the Sideboard to combat the other Tourney deck."

With a deck like this one...sure, it won't win tourneys..however, the sky is the limit when it comes to suggesting cards. Therefore, decks like this get comments.

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Posted 15 October 2014 at 18:47

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Posted 15 October 2014 at 23:04

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Simple.
Decks on Hot Pages get likes.
Decks not on Hot Pages get no likes.

TO get on the Hot Pages people have to be able to comment/suggest cards on your deck.
Most Tourney decks does not provide the chance to suggest cards.

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Posted 15 October 2014 at 23:46

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hmmm. I like it, but what if you're against a creature-less deck? Tough to find that in anything but green though. But if you have something like Natural Affinity in here. Things can get real interesting.

But yeah, needs more control in there or you'll never get there unless its mp. pyroclasm/starstorm/counterspells/bounce. I always liked Inundate (because I use it in a simic deck that has eternal witness, tricky mean that can lockdown some decks). You could conceivably make Inundate + non blue when enters the battlefield... blah blah.

Simple unsummons work great with the Gilded Drake.

krocka's top 5 favorite green cards(in no order):
earthcraft: broken as all hell
natural affinity: just mean in a grave pact token deck. Creature-less decks rely on wrath of God types. The look on their face when grave pact triggers, and I cast natural affinity. They sac lands... I keep mine.
eternal witness: too good for card advantage
tangle: a 2 turn fog
force of nature: first big'un I ever owned even though it's really not that great. its still a sexy card.

The Auction card would be fun as hell to play.

What if in your flyer deck u made a bunch of flyers for yourself. Then traded them. Then wiped em with hurricane or twister or whatever haha.

On another note I'm really starting to love winds of change. It solves so many problems:
My first few draws have been shitty and I'm fiending for land. No problem: shuffle
My enemy just used a tutor and has his answer for me next turn: shuffle
I have my Psychosis Crawler out, all of a sudden its 5-7 damage for 1 red mana... and I might even draw another one in my shuffle.

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Posted 14 October 2014 at 15:52

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Thanks so much for the large amount of effort to look at the deck.
Yep, those green cards are some good ones, for sure!!

And yes, this deck needs a lot of work.
This was more of a rough draft...then anything.

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Posted 14 October 2014 at 17:16

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I decided to combine our two ideas into one: http://www.mtgvault.com/dkrocka/decks/wing-me/

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Posted 15 October 2014 at 06:22

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If you are referring Native Americans, then there are ... multiple races involved. Just saying. So that comment is ... okay, not racist, I don't see it actively oppressing people. However, it is extremely bigoted, prejudiced, rude, and insensitive. That being said, the metaphor does describe this deck aptly.

Don't worry, Wizards is far worse ... cue Bronze Bombshell and Invoke Prejudice.

That being said, this deck is awesome. 'Cause I'm hypocritical like that.

Also, look on the bright side. You're taking the "Indians" BACK after all. That's not that bad after all ... they're more like sleeper agents than unwitting bystanders.

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Posted 15 October 2014 at 14:16

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Thanks for that, because I was feeling a little racist!
At least my sports team isn't the "Redskins."
That makes me feel a little better...oh shit, my baseball team (I am from Georgia) is the Atlanta Braves...ugh.

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Posted 15 October 2014 at 15:19

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Braves is nowhere near derogatory. It's a term for unproven adolescents, though you will probably get your ass handed to you if you walk around a reservation saying that. For some reason, native americans don't like outsiders of any ethnicity quoting from a culture they have all but lost ... thanks to outsiders.

I did read an article on a reservation voting to keep the name of their school's mascot as ... the redskins. Hmm ... makes you think where the hype is coming from. In fact, the only reason I refer to Indians as NAs is because ... well, there are a lot of Indians on the west coast. As in from INDIA. Kinda important to specify out here. Especially since NAs give us cool fireworks will Indians give us shitty customer service.

Okay, I'll admit, that was a bigoted (and hypocritical - double points!) remark. The service is mediocre at worst, and India has a bustling electronics industry ... so I should also complain about mediocre computer design. :)

I do enjoy Native American comedians though. For example:
"I bet all you white folks have never seen an Indian comedian before. You probably think we don't have much to joke about, historically speaking. Welllll .... we never thought you were that funny either."

XD

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Posted 15 October 2014 at 15:24

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So just call them Brava (bray-va). That's like the non-racist way of saying it, right?

I think the whole controversy is silly... Unresolved anger from Manifest Destiny (centuries ago) turns into out of nowhere attitude about stupid shit. Next thing ya know the NA Braves fans will get angry at traffic cops for directing them to their parking spot because it looks like a tomahawk. Let's break down the word tomahawk: | --> Ayyyy-ah-Ohhhh. Ayyyy-a-Ohhhh... And then I found out Ayyyy-ah-Ohhh means Home-a-Walk in NA and I felt like a jackass.

Take the name Notre Dame Fighting Irish: Are they pissed that the name Fighting Irish "could be" construed as Irish stereotype of drinking and fighting. Freud wouldn't know, but that name stands.

Which leads me to my next point: To all you women out there, stop with the silent treatment, I don't know what you're thinking and I'm not gonna figure it out unless you tell me!? Or else I'm gonna make you go as Pocahontas for Halloween.. Then who won't know what the hell I'm thinking. :P

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Posted 15 October 2014 at 18:39

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Good question. Haven't watched Baseball in several years!
My wife hates sports.

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Posted 15 October 2014 at 18:48

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I agree. It's amazingly stupid that this country has failed to deal with the fallout of Manifest Destiny and Reconstruction. For Pete's sake, we have come so far on so many other issues. Like women's rights. Why can this great nation not just suck it up and admit it's wrongs. Admit that housing federal housing loans in the 50s and 60s were highly racist and lead to the sharp ethnic divisions between inner cities and suburbs. Admit that reservations are shitty, exploited plots of land. Uranium mines (still not all freaking cleaned up), trampling of water rights, woeful administration, jaw-droppingly unhealthy commodity foodstuffs, etc. We need to swallow our pride and move the hell on.

We're not bad at moving on when we want to. We helped Europe rebuild after 2 devastating wars. We became allies with two of the axis powers after rebuilding their economies (Japan and ... well, part of Germany). Hell, we even got (mostly) over our imperialist phase. Thank you Philippines for allowing us to partially re-invert our cranial-rectal balance on the issue of your independence.

So the great question is: why can we not seem to put the ghost of our past on these two issues behind us? I honestly don't know, but I sincerely pray that we can find our way out of this mess with good, old American ingenuity. Because good, old American explosives are really applicable here (sarcasm).

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Posted 16 October 2014 at 03:49

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I honestly do not see a sports name as racist unless it is seen as derogatory by the group it targets ... remember that world boxing game? You know, with Vodka-von-Drunskey representing the USSR.

They changed it to Soda-popinski, but it didn't really help.

Anyway, when they did the reboot, the used the SAME stereotypes. Except they made them positive. Not negative. And the game felt awesome.

Tell you what: I'll post the link to the video when I find it. Frankly, I find it mucho inspiring.

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Posted 16 October 2014 at 04:09

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You are much smarter than your age tells, my friend.

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Posted 16 October 2014 at 19:04

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Was his real name actually Vodka?

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Posted 17 October 2014 at 02:34

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Cool deck, I love the cards like this where you just say "I want that, and you can have 7 damage in the face! What a fair deal!":)

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Posted 22 October 2014 at 00:53

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What? No avarice Totem?

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Posted 25 April 2015 at 16:28

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