I win with 1 life.

You might consider changing the strategy a bit to a black and white deck so that you can drain your own life with black cards to combo with near death experience and worship because the weakness to this deck is a mill deck even with all the replenish cards as long as your opponent doesn't target your health and targets your library they would be ok but if you drain your own life you have a sure strategy

Might consider that. There are some powerful black/white cards in Magic. Vindicate is killer.

Yeah but you would have to find the right cards because a lot of black and white plays off of extort and the point would be to drain your own life not gain life

You could also consider white and red for the drain your own health strategy with cards like lava axe or overload burn cards since you wont really need to rely on creatures you can look at destroy all creature cards like day of judgment incase they get out a creature(s) that messes with your plan

Look up Fortune Thief. I could pull that off. It is red. It says if life is reduced below 1 it makes it stays at 1. It is pretty much a red Instant version of Worship. I could cast lightning bolts, chain lightning, and stuff like that on me.

With Near Death Experience out. For five mana I could cast Fortune Thief and then for 1 red mana I could cast Lightning Bolt on myself, taking me below 0, but Fortune Thief would take my life back up to 1.

But Angel's Grace is much cheaper to cast.

Yeah fortune thief has the same ability but it's easier to kill creatures then it is artifacts and enchantments and also if you went with black and white you could get some surgical extractions incase they have any destroy target artifacts then they would destroy one you would have 3 more and you could take their destroy cards but also indestructibility also protects against that

Plus with the deck how you currently have it i don't see the point in the creatures that you have because they are like blockers and you don't need blockers because you want to lose life

See the combo with Worship and those creatures. Point is to have Worship out and the creatures. As long as my opponent can't get rid of them (and they are hard to kill), I can't die. But I agree, that I may could use a second color in this deck. Need to think about it.

Glad to help i would go with black and white mainly because i like black magic cards but also they're good like you can get sign in blood and drain your life and draw cards

I am kinda liking red. It has x damage spells. I can have Near Death Experience out...and on my opponent's end step I can cast the spell on my turn. He ends his turn. My turn. My win.

If I was goo.g to build this deck I would use a favorite of mine and go with red and black and use fire covenant

Just screw the worship idea and use tutors to get the covenant and near death experience

Indeed. Thinking this deck shows potential. Replace Worship with what? I thought Mother of Runes and the Myr were very hard creatures to kill. Hoping Worship could keep me alive just if I did not draw a Tutor or Near Death Experience. But suppose I could splash another color. Or prevent damage?

Ill post a deck of how I would build something crazy like this later so you can see the card choices ide pick but I wouldn't use white at all

Didn't realize it was a white card lol you have to have white In it

Dork. Yep. White. Joking aside. I could splash red. Take out Worship. Take out Mother of Runes. Take out Indestructibility. Add in Comet Storm. Which i could damage myself for the win or i could use it to wipe out his creatures. Maybe Fireball or Blaze. But those are not instants. I would want an instant spell that I could damage myself at the end of their turn. That way I had 1 life during my upkeep.

Check and see if there is a card similair to fire covenant in a different color

Will check. Fuego has a point too. Could run black and white. Black definitely has stuff that let's you kill yourself. Need to do some searching and working.

I'd like to see magiccontrollers side of this deck i think we could make this deck really good

This deck really isn't my cup of tea but if I was going to make a deck around the card near death experience I wouldn't half %&* it with stuff like worship I would instead splash black to kill myself using cards such as lich mirror maggot carrier stinkweed imp creatures that cost me life and such

Good call, I am liking your comment on that one. Didn't even, dumb me, think about the idea that my opponent would be a smart douche and not attack me.

What about Thran Foundry? That may be a way for me to win, even if they do not attack me. For 2 colorless mana I remove it from the game and shuffle my graveyard and library together. Basically, even if they do not attack me, they eventually run out of cards as I keep cycling my graveyard back into my library. It keeps my mana base intact.

i think you would only need one and just hold it until you're down to like 1 or 2 cards in you library then use it. at that point i don't think you could deck before them. but whatever works, works

I liked your Only 1 life left deck. Looked really fun to play. It takes matters in it's own hand in order to get your life total down to 1. With my deck it is much slower and defensive. However, I think my deck shows promise.

Faith's Shield is also an excellent choice here, for last minute protection. over 5 life a permanent gets protection from a color, and under 5 life you and all permanents you control have protection from that color instead. kind of like a Mother of Runes on steroids.

I win by Thran Foundry.

For smarter players, I know they will not damage me if they catch that I am wanting them to damage me. They are forced to stall. Either they try to destroy Thran Foundry or Worship or Near-Death Experience. If not they do nothing. They simply run out of cards as I keep shuffling my graveyard back into my Library. Very slow death.

By I see your point with Soulgorger Orgg. Worldfire is another one. Splashing red does make the deck more controlled. I just like the idea of an opponent getting aggravated with Thran Foundry.

Thanks for the device.

Thran Foundry is no win condition. For many, many reasons:
1) It is very slow and passive. Many decks just overrun you or are able to break your lock with removal end then win. I mean, relying on Thran Foundry basically means the opponent WILL go through his ENTIRE deck before you win! So, even if he has a single mass removal spell or anything else that ruins your day, he will draw it for sure. Keep that in mind when reading the next reasons.

2) Many decks you will run into will recycle their cards as well. It could be Gaea's Blessings or creatures that shuffle themselves back into the library or a myriad of other possibilities. Just check how many decks here on Vault run Elixir of Immortality ... and that doesn't mean you'll draw the game, it actually means you will LOSE because Thran Foundry exiles itself when used.

3) There are still many ways your opponent can win even if they can't get rid of Worship:
a) poison (still very common)
b) I-win-cards
c) Loss of life ignores Worship (so most black decks will have cards to deal the death blow, for example Exsanguinate)
d) There are lots of mill decks out there that try to do the exact same thing, just way faster. You can use your Thran Foundries only once each and they can get milled, so it is very likely that you'll run out of cards faster.

4) You are probably not playing tournaments with this but if you plan do to so: there is a time limit that might case a game to draw even though you might win if you had enough time

Times have changed, Magic has changed. Times are over where you could assume you'll just win by decking if you have your combo out.

Ugh, I am old. :)

That's why I keep on coming back to your decks^^
BTW, I could need help on some of my own decks.

Joking aside...when I regularly played magic Mill wasn't even invented. And they did not have enough "Infect" creatures/cards to make an effective Poison deck. Nor were there that many 1-win-cards or win condition cards.

You are right. Need to rethink my game. My issue is I play the same meta game with same few people. Need to broaden my horizons.

Mill existed since Antiquities, it just wasn't very reliable. But around Ice Age, mill decks could compete, at least in Type II. I remember old Duelist articles discussing the art of the slow death aka Millstone based control decks.

Of course, if you always play against the same people and if they are dinosaurs like me and you, who am I to tell you how to play? If you can win via Thran Foundries (basically boring them to death^^), then use it. But, I think it would be more enjoyable for everybody involved if you spiced things up a bit with Worldgorger Orgg. It would still be a goofy deck with cards nobody else uses. But it would help actually winning the game as intended (via Near-Death Experience"), would shorten games to acceptable lengths and -at least in my opinion- would raise your win percentage.

Or, alternatively, you could replace some of the Foundries with actual mill cards of your own. Keening Stone for example decks an opponent in a couple of turns.

As always, solid advice.

I started playing around the end of Exodus/Tempest/Mirage. My serious days (where i would buy more than just one booster pack at a time) were Urza's Saga. I actually collected from that Expansion. Legacy/Destiny/Saga. I basically stopped after highschool (graduated in 2002, so that makes me 31 this year), only to pick at the game here and there. Started playing again when a friend gave me thousands of cards (from M10, Zendikar, Worldwake, and the such) because he was getting back out of Magic.

I play most of my games now with a guy much younger than me, but whom plays a lot of the old cards still. He has updated me on Token decks. Mill decks. And the such. It was a humbling event. Getting pummeled.

Okay. Let's do this. Splice Red. 4 Worldgorger Orgg, then.
What do we begin to take out? Serra's Sanctum and Indestructibility?
With lands? Some cheaper dual lands? I like the one that basically state "comes into play tapped unless you control a mountain or plains." Not sure of the name. With Orgg needing two Mountains to play and Near Death needing three Plains to play...mana is going to be a bitch, in this deck.

More advice, please.

And will recheck out your decks, Puschkin. I think I remember checking out your decks...and, if i remember correctly, look at it like this, I had trouble giving advice that would make your deck better. In other words, good job!

I would keep the Myrs because they are good blockers and still combo well with Worship. I see you already did changes, not so sure what was in it before.
Mana: Since you need double-red for the Orggs but don't have any other red spells, you could use some other cards that rarely see play:
Sandstone Needle
Astrolabe or Terrarion
Dwarven Ruins
Rugged Prairie

Ah yes, I forgot about Ali.

Okay. so I need to add Ali and Gorg. What do I take out?

hm... that is indeed a tricky question.
in that case how much does the mother of runes actually help out here? I see it's potential against removal and perhaps if you have multiples it has potential as an extra blocker (though I don't know why you would need any more than the Darksteel Myr for that) seeing as how it can make anything invincible to damage.
the only other semi optional card that I see in here is the indestructability. Maybe I missed it is a previous post, but what is it here to protect that you can't retrieve already?

and I really would suggest running Feldon's cane instead of the foundry since it is free vs 1 to use, unless you plan on putting another player's graveyard into their library...?

oh and now that I think of it perhaps wheel of sun and moon, unless you would rather have the ability to retrieve directly from the graveyard instead of drawing cards again. slower I guess but pretty much impossible to mill yourself out.

looks good. I will try to think of more things to help you out. :)

I have a few decks that could use some critiquing as well. perhaps you might be able to check them out if it wouldn't be too much trouble. :)

Thanks. Will check out your decks. See if I can suggest improvements.