Flinging a five mana 100/100?

Ahh cool! It looks good man! You couldn't give me a like for the inspiration could you? ;D

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Thanks very much Gagnonator!

Do you think that a black card like Essence Harvest or something could be good? Or maybe even a Diabolic Tutor or Demonic Tutor to get the cards I need?

Thanks very much man! I think I'll just bump up Fling to four, but thank you very much for your recommendation!

Actually yeah, I didn't read Soul's Fire properly, I might well pop that in or at the very least sideboard him. Do you think that a black card like Essence Harvest or something could be good?

Rite of Consumption is basically the black equivalent to Fling, AND you gain life!

Rite of Consumption or Fling? Fling's an instant, but with Rite of consumption I gain life as well, so even if it doesn't kill them, it would set me up for the rest of the game.... And I'll usually have enough mana to cast them both thanks to my mana ramping.

Fling in main because it's instant speed, Rite in SB for multiplayer format or against RDW.

I'm considering actually buying this deck, do you think it would be worth it?

For shock value of being beaten up by a deck that presents itself fairly quickly for its size, I would say yes. not only that, but you could use Thromok later for an EDH deck if you get bored (He'd make an awesome Commander). All of these cards are playable overall, so buying them wouldn't be out of the question in any case as it is.


Feel free to comment on my deck, I'd like someone's opinion.
http://www.mtgvault.com/azraeltheslain/decks/american-paper-mill/

Yeah man fair point, in a sample hand just then I theoretically made a 23104/23104 Thromak with two Corpsejacks and a Mycoloth. If you have a Corpsejack out, then Mycoloth, you can easily win in the next turn as well even without Thromak.

I'm considering actually buying this deck, do you think it would be worth it?

Yeah definitely. Like I said I have a deck very similar and it is very fun and wins 2 out of three times I'd say. I think your deck looks faster than mine though. This would work well. Check out mine if you'd like. Its call Goblin Devour and its by brendanh.

I will check it out! Thanks for commenting!

No problem man. Hope this deck does good for you!

Massive raid looks rad with the Mycosyth!

Thanks very much! And don't worry, I'm just a casual player!

ok, then it that case this is perfect, kitchen table magic is always fun

If you want help with mana fixing, and its cheap, max out your Golgari and Rakdos Guildgates and add Gruul Guildgates, add a couple of the Karoo lands from original Ravnica block, then throw in Amulet of Vigor, it makes all your lands enter untapped and if you have two Vigors in play you can tap them twice for mana (first vigor untaps it, in response to the untap, tap it for mana, then because second vigor is on the stack it will untap the land again)

um hate to burst your bubble but vigor won't let you do that since they would trigger at the same time upon entering the battlefield. the second would fizz when you untapped it

^ hate to burst your bubble, but level 2 judge ruled that they would do that at Grand Prix Toronto

"If you control more than one Amulet of Vigor, each Amulet's ability triggers when a permanent enters the battlefield tapped and under your control. The first ability that resolves will untap that permanent. If the permanent somehow becomes tapped again before the next ability resolves, the next ability will untap it as well (and so on)." from the gatherer

so.. how would that have to go down for it to work properly?

BEST CASE SCENARIO:
you would play a turn one Amulet of Vigor, play a second vigor turn 2 if you were lucky enough to draw one, or in a couple turns, so with a guildgate, you play it on turn two after you in theory played your second vigor, when the guildgate enters tapped, both the vigors trigger and you put the triggers on the stack, when the first trigger resolves and untaps the land, while the second ability goes to resolve, in response to its effect you tap the guildgate for its mana, then no other responses happen, the second vigor resolves and untaps the land. To make this scenario even better, the Ravnica Karoo lands are huge bonus because when they are done tapping you have 4 mana in the pool on turn 2.

USUAL SCENARIO:

What usually happens for me is I play a land and a dork on turn 1, a second land and the first vigor on turn 2, another land or another dork turn 3, a second vigor and a karoo land turn 4 and thats seven mana so if you happen to have anything in your hand, dump it now. because if you get no land drop on turn 5, you only have 5 mana at your disposal.

so.. say you have four of them out? and i throw down a dimir aqueduct? I could have 8 mana right there? yes i know having four out is crazy im just double checking to see if i understand correctly

yes that is correct sorry for the delayed response

That's a very good idea, but I'm really cheap.

story of my life haha you might be able to find some older dual lands that are cheaper

Thanks very much man!

Good recommendation, and thank you very much! I would do it, but it's a double X/X costing, so I think I'll pass.

Consider Mogg War Marshal, it gives you the same number of creatures right off, one of which replaces itself when devoured.

Definitely will do, he seems like a good deal for two mana...

Thanks very much bro! I certainly will check it out.

also, since this isn't standard, I would say to run terminate instead of dreadbore.

terminate is cheaper money wise, but dreadbore has wider versatility, in case you need to take out a pesky Domri or Jace

ok, but in respect to just how much those actually get played competitive... I would say that it is a sideboard card at best. and besides, if you get your combo out, how much is a single planeswalker card going to really do, unless it is agro, which jace isn't and Domri isn't powerful enough to keep up with. Planeswalkers are just slow in general, and yeah if you let them STAY out they can be harder to deal with, but you can still attack them with... how many 1/1s by the point that they are really a threat?

I was thinking terminate, but the last game i was in there was a huge struggle to kill a planeswalker, and I think it has had a profound effect on my gameplay! hahahahahahaha

well, to each his own. personally I think it is a better sideboard card, but maybe your meta runs planeswalkers more. although if you REALLY like the anti planeswalker effect mainboard... then perhaps you might consider running beast within. a little more mana wise, but it can destroy anything, and can't be regened. although my personal favorite anti planeswalker card is Vampire Hexmage.

DO IT MAN.

That is really good, but it's a sorcery, so I can't do it in response to a Doom Blade. I might well put it in somehow.

Oh shit you're GyKx! Like almost all of your decks hit front page!

If you prefer fling over flesh//blood, then perhaps a dying wish is in order?

I second the Dying Wish, if you take the Amulet suggestion, or even just the part of maxing out the gates, you will have no shortage of Black mana, and then in the event they stop the damage from Fling, Dying Wish serves as a good back up, and in best case a great overkill.

It's just a shame it's 70 odd quid.

get a usa guy to buy and trade it over. for us its 40-50. so 25.6 - 33.28 quid.

Hahaha still no buddy. Thanks very much man for the recommend anyway

Is it an instant?

Card Information
Sorcery 2B
Card Rules
Target player loses X life and you gain X life, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
Flavor Text
Captain Lewenheart uncovered evidence of a demon cult among the clergy. The Skirsdag never gave him a chance to prove his case.

It would be amazing, but it's a sorcery...

Fling is better in this case. What does the life gain and keeping the creature even matter? If you fling a giant thromak your opponent is done. lol The only place essence harvest is better is in a big free-for-all.

Ud be amazed at some of the cards that can probably counter fling in one way or another. and when would he use it as an instant on the oppenents turn? why does that even matter?

Ud be amazed at some of the cards that can probably counter fling in one way or another. and when would he use it as an instant on the oppenents turn? why does that even matter?

I'd use it it on my turn, because not everyone wants a 25/25 knocking around, and so if they Doom Blade it then I'm safe- I'll just fling it.

You cant sacrafice a creature already on the way to the graveyard. So your thought there doesnt work.

ah, but you can fling in response to the doom blade. and since it goes on top of it on the stack, it resolves first and the doom blade fizzles.

i think what mmmjkx2 is getting at is if you go to fling it, they will Doom Blade/Go for the Throat/Murder/Terminate in response, especially after loosing a few games to this trick, but if you have enough mana, and a second fling in response to their doom blade effect, you can fling it again

if they murder it, I'll fling. No one's going to leave a 20/20 hanging around very long.

yes, you can do that, although I am pretty sure that is what the ranger's guile is in here to prevent. Another FANTASTIC card to deal with that kind of thing is Autumn's veil. spells you control can't be countered by black or blue spells this turn, and creatures you control can't be targeted by black or blue spells this turn. It is an instant for G to cast. amazing card. :)
Edit: in response to Rickell.

It's really good, but it would only be a sideboard obviously.

The autumn's veil? Or ranger's guile? You already have ranger's guile in the main board, so that would make sense. Swap one out for the other, depending on the conditions. :)

Not gonna lie, pandemonium would wreck people with Mycoloth putting out tons of 1/1s each turn

Perhaps some life gain, like essence warden or something similar. Or early game hand disruption like duress or thoughtsieze perhaps. To keep your combo safe. Or perhaps even phyrexian probe, to make sure it is safe to even cast the combo. Those are my suggestions. :). Although I am curious as to why you are taking out lands...O.o?

I've been taking a fair few sample hands, and with my Elf mana ramp, I really think that my Lands are diluting my better cards.

That makes sense. Gotta love elves. :). Ok, oh perhaps another suggestion for disruption: Kozileks inquisition, or maybe Distress if you can do the double black.

Hows about into the wilds or signal the clans....

Signal is good, but you Have no graveyard based cards, or retrieval cards. Not saying it is a bad choice, just my opinion. Into the wild... I see some goodness there, but then the question becomes this: are you gong to use it for mana ramping, or to thin the deck, so you aren't dead drawing lands late game?

With Signal I could just search my library for Corpsejack, Mycoloth or Thromok, or perhaps I could put in Mogg War Marshall. Into The Wilds could really help out with deck thinning and also meaning i have the mana to play it. It also means I can play two mana in one turn, which I probably will be as well.

Ok then, my next question is how consistent is this decks timetable? On average how many turns does it take to end the game? If it take more than turn 7-10 to get a solid win, on average, then sure those would absolutely speed this deck up. If it is getting a consistent turn 5-7 win, on average, then I would say those would actually slow your deck down, because they take up early game turns and they don't give you an immediate advantage. They are setup cards. Good cards for mid to late game advantage, but not early game.

I would say that most wins would occur after turn 6, but I haven't actually played it yet, so I'm not too sure.

Well then add them in and test it out. :)

I prefer the fling as it allows to me to counter their doom blades/murders with it, because who would honestly leave a 20/20 knocking around? Thanks for the recommend though!

Cool for you, but you could at least contribute something valuable to THIS deck before asking to help with yours!

let me guess, vizkopa guildmage/sanguine bond + exquisite blood? and no, I haven't looked at the deck

I was actually the first person on here to post a deck around the Blood/Bond combo. Although sanguine bond wasn't standard at the time.

was thinking of taking out into the wilds for one more corpsejack or perhaps some diabolic tutors, or maybe some mog war marshalls
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I'm aware of Corpsejack's effects...