Junk Modern

Will I guess in not BUG LOL miss type
But what do you think

Junk makes much more sense, I like this deck!

that you

I would like to see this deck make it to the hot list or some of my other deck make it lol

Well the deck isn't even finished yet so i don't think anyone can fully comment on it until you fill in the rest of the slots.

The deck was completed before, I assume he's simply updating

Okay well the deck still isn't finished either way.

Just updating the deck

But right now I watching MTG live pro tour of FATE

Right that would be nice I. Good call Lingering Souls is going in but what should come out

You probably could take out a land or two, you don't really need that much

Goyf is almost always a 2 mana 4/5, you only need 1 creature, courser smoothes your land drops, abrupt decay is the best removal spell in modern full stop. Its expensive because it is a power house, it is a great deck that will comfortably top 8 events

First of all, some of my questions weren't really answered. Second of all, just because it's expensive doesn't automatically make it a powerhouse. It means you put a lot of hard earned money and time into it. Just because it has fancy cards that have a high price doesn't mean your going to top 8 either, especially when faster and more efficient decks out there.

1) Yes, Abrupt Decay is pretty goddamn good, but my question was ACTUALLY if you got away with such little removal in the deck. Don't really fast decks (like zoo, delver, infect, etc) just eat through you in 4-5 turns?

2) You may only need one creature, but all your opponent needs to do is kill it. If you rely so heavily on one creature, the chances of your opponent stopping you dead in your tracks are high if they run a removal heavy deck, like most decks do. Again, my question is why you put goyf with witness and ooze, because it seems counter productive, like most things in the deck.

3) Courser question still unaswered: Why put both confidant and courser in the deck. It "smoozes land drops" but honestly it seems like a crutch for when you don't have lands, and if you play it and start using only your lands from your deck, the opponent is gonna realize, "Hey, he has no lands!" and target it. Either way, with confidant, you still can only possibly gain 1 life every turn from courser but are almost guaranteed to lose that 1 life, and possibly more, every turn. How is this a good trade again?

In the end, this whole deck just looks counter productive as hell. You have cards that rely on graves to power them with grave hate, cards with slight life gain and rather large life costs, and in the end, a deck that just doesn't seeing worth $1.5k. I'm sorry man, I'm just not seeing the bang for the buck.

Then go play it, thats a ar better explanation. I've played and played against it, there is a reason Abzan is one of the best modern decks, especially now pod is leaving

So basically, instead of answering my questions to help me understand why this deck is so good, you just throw out "Just play it." I have played something similar with a goblin deck and eaten it in 5-6 turns. I sat there afterward wondering why the hell he even tried to play it when he had all these "great cards" but none of them could stop me onslaught quick enough. What I'm trying to say is that you can't just throw off something with, "Just play it." I originally started all this with just a yearning to understand how this works or why i's so powerful but the more I think about it the less sense it makes. You've ignored most of what I asked because either A) you can't answer it or B) you just don't want to, which is really petty and shows just how much you actually believe in this deck. All I merely wanted was a better understanding of what makes this a good deck, and all I'm getting is someone who can't stop trying to dodge topics. If this is all just a misunderstanding, I would love to be enlightened, but don't hide behind empty reasons if you don't really have a reason to hide. Could you please stop avoiding my questions and help me get the picture now?

1) Why put goyf in a deck that hates on graves?

2) Why put confidant in with courser, it seems like a waste of space and money.

3) Can you really get away with the amount of removal and discard in this deck?

That is why I'm saying play it, it will come together on the field of play, although lingering souls is missing

I like how I literally give the exact reason why I don't get it even if I play against it, and you just repeat yourself because you have no answers. I have seen these kinds of decks get crushed on a day to day basis, and I did care to understand why it's popular, but now I just don't care anymore. I don't like having to cough up an unreasonable of money I will never have to spend on one deck for a card game that honestly in my opinion is not even worth $200. If you actually waste this much money and get knocked out round one of an event then fine by me.

I have answers, you just don't seem to understand, that is why im saying play it because that is how I understand a deck, trust me on this one

And doesn't rhino wreck goblins?

If you had answers, you would actually answer the questions. You have literally avoided my exact questions by either A) taking them apart and trying to answer pieces or B) ignored the questions. I feel as though this is just a counter productive waste of time that i have seen fail repeatedly, and you have a reason as to why things are there, then instead of relying on "Play it to get it" then use actual logic and reason to answer a question that has been presented to you.

I'm not a good Abzan player, I'm not the best advocate of it man

Yooooooooo CiaranMadgrin come pick on this deck. This is my tournament deck. It's pretty damn serious.
http://www.mtgvault.com/granflux/decks/elemental-storm/

Also its budget haha

But the elemental-storm Will not see 80-90k Tour never I am playing to see those Tour

And that is where you are quite wrong, just as this deck of yours does not make sense to some people, mine is lost on you.

Ok I not going to troll or talk shit on deck to deck.

Fair enough, on the same note, I did not mean to offend you. If I had then I apologize.

I do like your deck though, it has some really unpredictable mechanics happening along with having an answer for just about any move an opponent could make, they'd be doomed and not even realize it.
It's quite close in theory to my GWB junk deck which is based upon being unpredictable. I really would like to know what you think. I had posted it before here, but here it is again.

http://www.mtgvault.com/granflux/decks/abzan-walkers/

CiaranMadgrin Frist off
Like Gothy says Tarmogoyf is for 2 and I drop him out as a 4/5 5/6 most of the time
Dark Confidant/Courser of Kruphix work with each other cuz I don't care if you look at my next cards and try come up with a Anw in them. I run thought my deck and all the time in the game I doing something.

T1= Marsh Flats>Overgrown Tomb>Inquisition of Kozilek
you Discard a Young Pyromancer if you run it
17LP
T2=Twilight Mire>Dark Confidant
T3=Thoughtseize-Dark Confidant. play Tarmogoyf with Inquisition of Kozilek
on T3 3/4
T4=Liliana of the Veil-Dark Confidant. play Liliana of the Veil +1 her and Forest
now Tarmogoyf in a 5/6 and you at 15 /15 all Life

@Gothy fair enough. Sorry for being so pushy, I just really want to see what makes this so great, and I'm always trying to learn and expect everyone to know everything about the decks they build, which is bull. I'm sorry, and I will try and find someone with something similar.

*First off (sorry it was bothering me, not trying to be a dick)

Secondly, That's not really showing me how they work together. What confuses me is that on one hand, Courser and Confidant do help dig in your deck. On the other, Confidant forces you to potentially lose more life than the reward, and with Courser only gainging so little, with the popularity of really fast decks, I can potentially see this deck being wiped out turn 4 if Confidant gets you a few higher costing draws. Do they work because your not supposed to care about the life, like with fetch lands? is it really that worth it?

And Tarmogoyf can be devastating, yes, but like I keep asking, why the hell would you add cards that hate the grave if he needs the grave to power up?

Fast decks are gonna go down in popularity man, with the banning of treasure cruise it makes it weaker, but hey ho. I guess you try and work around the draw backs because you only need 1 creature in the yard for ooze, and the potential to get back something you really need out weighs the loss of power and toughness, thats just my opinion

Fast decks don't need blue to be fast, so why would I give a shit about treasure cruise and pod being banned?

Agreed. The fastest decks I've seen lack blue being that blue is about locking down your opponent and crippling them until you can let loose your beat sticks.

My guess is that's why cruise and pod are banned because it turns blue into aggro...which its not. On the same note check out high tide for blue mana ramp hahaha

Cruise is an amazing aggro card though, it refills the hand, getting threats for a single U is fun, and plus delver is the best and damn reliable in aggro strategies, cruise was breaking the format

YES it was

Delver went from a budget option just for a decent deck straight to one of the BEST decks in standard

Delver isn't the best aggro deck, there are plenty that can thrash delver. Delver was just popular.

Delver seemed to be the most reliable, I'm not sure there really are any good aggro decks right now, combo is just faster

Gothy do you mean there are no good aggro decks in standard right now?

No, the best deck in standard is Abzan aggro, but I'm not sure aggro decks are the most powerful for modern

CiaranMadgrin i suggest you go get your skull bashed in by Tarmogoyf a few dozen times and maybe it will sink in.
MAYBE.

Oh not this old argument again

Hahahaha thank you Gothy. But I do agree with you, aggro decks are becoming a little too predictable, all you need is a DECENT pillow fort deck and the games over. It takes much more than recklessness to be good.

More lingering Souls to be honest, that or Pyroclasm, thats why I think Tron is so well placed

Delver is not the best aggro strategy in the format. it's a crutch for nerds who don't wanna try. Delver is just a blue control that happens to have a cheap creature that is overly powerful due to it's ability and the color it belongs to. If anything, Delver isn't even aggro. It's just a control deck with a fast pace. Delver only works when you draw it and hit an instant or sorcery. After it flips, your job is to CONTROL the board so Delver doesn't die and you don't lose. That's not aggro, aggro is ramming your fist up someone's ass in two or three turns so you can watch them scream and die in a quick and efficient manner. Aggro is utilizing a wave of cheap aggression to slam you in a few turns, delver is a slow death that relies on your ability to control the board and keep delver swinging each turn. That's why Delver is good, because it's a fast control deck.

@ AaronO24 I suggest you just play cards that can get rid of it and stop complaining at me over a point that has obviously been made. Your just jumping on a bandwagon and still not actually going for my actual point or questions, just slamming your face on the nail that is this topic. But it's OK. You can try to be smart and popular against someone who doesn't have the capacity to think more than a single thought every 2 months who can't use a basic thought process to figure out what is and isn't managable when you play against it. OR just git gud sckrub.

Damn you should be nicer to yourself. We get it you don't understand why Tarmogoyf is good, you'll get there eventually though.

Sounds like someone got smashed by Delver a few too many times and is now real butthurt about it if you ask me.

Alright gentlemen, best we stop now, lest we start embarrassing ourselves, no?

So let's put this comment thread to an end. It no longer serves any purpose.

I think he managed to do that to himself plenty.

......I literally cannot fathom how depressing it is that someone really took the time to try and troll me of all people. When you get out of your parent's house and get a job, let me know, because I don't associate with children. Delete the thread, i don't care anymore, this whole argument is pointless.

DOWN VOTED!!! :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIFIg9oJGJQ

There are ways to debate cards, personal attacks aren't the way.

Thank you. I agree entirely. Which is why I'm saying burn this thread down, it's become a monster after all I wanted- just kill it.

HURRDURR DELVER IS 4 SCRUBS AND TARMOGOYF IS AWFUL AND BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Rhino murdered Jund

Exactly. It's just too good to pass up in this list.

Siege Rhino good call thank you

np mate! :)

That's genius.

Dude go make those decks, post the link and I really hope you make the hot page!!!

Well per request: http://www.mtgvault.com/snakerunners/decks/modern-abzan-midrange-2/

I changed it up more and more as I went. I wanted Ooze, didn't think Courser was too much of an impact on board. Harmonize is a cool card but at 4cmc and sorcery speed I just thought it would be too dead without either ramp, instant speed, or late game where you should still be keep tempo.

Each card in a modern deck should be strong enough and make a large enough impact where you don't need draw power really, unless you are a storm, control, or combo deck of some kind where you are trying to grind out some card advantage. For something midrange/tempo the draw isn't really as important as just having a card to play. Hence also taking advantage of a few man-lands. I'm also considering the idea of playing some Razorverge Thicket(s) and/or more Stirring Wildwood(s) especially with Liege around.

You aren't blind I'm afraid...

I was thinking the same thing. All I have to say is good luck casting that Auriok Champion