riku of the two reflections

by HowlingPantera on 21 February 2013

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  • Not Legal in Standard
  • Not Legal in Modern
  • Legal in Vintage
  • Not Legal in Legacy

Deck discussion for riku of the two reflections

the pyromancers ascention is uselss in EDH btw.

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Posted 28 February 2013 at 02:58

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no i copy with riku and stack the triggers. Useless my ass.

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Posted 28 February 2013 at 03:36

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cant, the copy resolves before the spell itself, so when the copy resolve the spell isnt in your yard yet.

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Posted 28 February 2013 at 03:47

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the only way it works is if you have a spell in yard already and you get to cast the same spell from your opponents hand, deck or yard.

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Posted 28 February 2013 at 03:49

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I don't think that's how it works

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Posted 28 February 2013 at 03:53

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yes it is, in order to copy it your spell needs to go on the stack, which means it hasnt resolved yet therefor isnt yet in your yard, then you stack the Riku trigger to copy it, which makes your copy the last spell to be played there for the first one to resolve, with then no other copy in your yard so no counter on pyromancers, then once your actual spell resolve, since it was a copy that resolved first then still no other spell of the same name is in yard so still no counter. its the same principle as replicate, if you cast a spell and a player casts replicate on it, the replicate copy resolves first, in this instance, Riku would replace replicate. Check the oracle, you`ll see.

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Posted 28 February 2013 at 03:59

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the only other way, aside of playing it from an opponents deck some how and already having a copy in your yard, to make it work is if you`d have a way of copying a spell already played that's in your yard and that doesn't require to bring it back to your hand or exile it.

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Posted 28 February 2013 at 04:04

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here this forum explains exactly what i just did, the only viable way of doing it is Spellweaver Volute and that's only 1 card or if you manage to get 1 counter on it by playing an opponents spell, you can then proliferate it, but riku on his own doesnt trigger it, sorry to break it to you, but the stack doesnt work the way you're making it to work, it first in, last out.

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Posted 28 February 2013 at 04:39

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http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=372358

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Posted 28 February 2013 at 04:39

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but in your favor, that Spellweaver Volute could be good, it enchants an instant in your yard, then when you cast a sorcery you can cast that instant w/out paying the cost and then you exile it from your yard and attach the volute to another instant in your yard instead, so with Riku, you get the sorcery, duplicate it, then as the copy is cast, you cast the instant first cause of the stack, then the volute moves to another instant, then the copied sorcery resolves, then the original sorcery is cast, triggering the volute again so you get another instant which activates you ascension and then as the sorcery resolves, it gets copied by ascension which triggers the volute again, getting a 3rd instant an a copy of it due to ascension, pretty good streak for the mana cost of one spell+2 lol

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Posted 28 February 2013 at 04:45

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I concede the point, sorry for being a dick about it, other then ascension what did you think?

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Posted 28 February 2013 at 15:38

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It has potential but you`re missing a few vital keys to make it really good, for an infinite turn combo you should run, vengeful rebirth and call to mind as spell recurral, then you also run mirrari, dual casting and the bracers to duplicate your spells a bunch of times and then you cast your time warp for 4 copies so 10 turns, then time warp for 5, once they`re in the yard, you cast vengeful rebirth and copy it at least once, but if you have other targets you want, you may copy it more, and you bring back the 2 turn taking cards, cast them again and now cast call to mind and copy it twice at least, get the 2 turn taking cars again plus the vengeful rebirth and repeat the process for infinite turns. This combo is almost unstoppable since they have to cast 5 counters to stop you completely and every time you cast vengeful rebirth you deal at least 18 damage to someone or something lol, pretty broken. With Tamiyo`s emblem its even more busted. And in mine i run mana reflection and doubling cube, along with Pheryxian Metamorph and Tezzereth, to make infinite mana. This deck doesnt combo off on turn 3 or 4 but when it does, its all the fireworks lol.

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Posted 02 March 2013 at 22:59

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I'm not running Combo ..its creature basd

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Posted 02 March 2013 at 23:27

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in that case, with mycosynth latice, darksteel forge and mirror works, you can get 3 undestructible copys of each of your crits, throw in mirrow gallery and you can even copy legends and with the hellkite tyrant, you easily get to 20 artefacts and win the game.

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Posted 03 March 2013 at 00:28

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And then lose since with the karn deck being the most broken thing in my meta everyone runs into the core and makes me waste 15 mana to play a gimmicky artfact set up that requires 3 combo pieces and Id have to run fabricate to maybe grab one, two with riku? Nah...

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Posted 04 March 2013 at 16:38

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you really only need 2, hellkite tyrant and lattice, the mirror works is a bonus, and tezzeret can fetch it, its not that clunky, my meta decks are built to win on turn 3, so if i can pull it off, you should be able to.

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Posted 05 March 2013 at 00:49

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