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all control pretty much. im going for annoying i guess. I REALLY NEED HELP PERFECTING THIS. side board is iffy. any suggestions and help would be great. i was thinking of making the deck cheaper to make by scrapping the iona's and memory erosions and putting in gomazoa and something else to make it cheaper but idk. i need opinions
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Try using silence rather than essence scatter you don,t need the extra creature control if use have path to exile and silence is basically a counter spell.
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Ah, found it. Didn't see the page two=p
Maybe play 24 lands in a control deck, and think hard about those cancels. They are not "counterspells". I would have 4 paths and some archive traps. I would also consider ditching traumatic visions. Silence might be nice as mentioned, especially together with Luminarch Ascension. I wouldn't play 7 "cipt" lands, but that's just me, and I don't have all that much experience with mana bases in control decks. And control is often all about drawing cards...I don't see much of that here, but then again, thats just me. It looks good though. Look around, get some ideas from other TII control decks. I've just got most of the cards for my TII deck, and I am looking forward to testing and tweaking it.
thanks to everyone so far. i think ill put in silence and since card draw was mentioned i might put in ior ruin expedition.
also ill cut down on the kabira crossroads
I like it i would add moor silence and crad drawing. A good control deck is about tempo your goal is to stop or slow your opponent you also won’t to drawl moor cards then your opponent so you have moor options then he dos and good luck.
thanks williamp ill put it 1 more silence and move ruin expedition to the mainboard. keep the comments coming
should i put in another iona? i took one out to put in the extra silence
and what about memory erosion? do i even need those?
You mite want to add the blue planeswalker so you can drawl cards you can do it right before your opponent ends his tern so they have to watt to us the card they get.
hmmm... thats a good idea. ill take out a solemn offering for it
If you keep your opponent from playing spells no I would add moor card drawing.
any cards that come to mind?
I am knot familiar with the now cards I will get back to you with that ok.
k thanks though. you've been a great help. get back to me whenever you can
You can add any of this cards ior ruin expedition, divination, jace beleren, and ponder I like ponder and jace.
I've bever really played a tournament, and I'm certaily not familiar with this type of deck. The only advice I can give is to include as many copies of each card as possible, especially in competitive play. One card out of 60 isn't going to come up often, so why not make room for what you know you'll use?
I also must ask where your win condition is.
There is a win condition it is called control and beat down.
yeah that's pretty much the condition
also should i include 1 more copy of each planeswalker?
Hey thanks for the comments on my deck, I dont think u need the Hedron Crabs or memory erosions unless your trying specifically to mill. For drawing cards, I think there should be 2 jaces. I would run roil elemental in the deck.
thanks treymiller. Ill make those changes tom. Your right, the mill is kinda pointless. and your welcome. : )
looks pretty solid, altho mill is nice if your not really focusing on it the hedron crabs arent solid enough to take up four card slots, i would personally recommend using 4 merfolk looters or even reckless scholars maybe but it provides amazing card draw for you :D o and another great combo to use with those silences would be the land magosi, the waterveil. if they end their turn without doing anything to scare you go ahead and throw them an extra turn with a silence at the beginning. :D gives you an eon counter to drop for a win :D id prolly drop the kabira crossroads as well so u dont get stuck with too many lands coming into play tapped
The main idea for a control deck like this is not the cards involved so much, its strategy. Landstill, the deck I have posted, has a strategy... looking at the cards you can see that the deck doesnt seem like its full of powerful cards honestly... and it doesnt! The whole idea is to let yourself fall to 7 life or so without using any of your cards if possible to stall the game long enough to built up a manabase then suddenly clear the board with Wrath of God or Akroma's Vengeance and turn the game around point by point. I am sure in type 2 you can build something similiar to what Landstill is, obviously not exactly the same but you can still mimic the strategy with some of the cards printed today. Ask me if you want some more advice again sometime. I think personally you just need to choose a direction for the deck and move forward.
Look at my Landstill deck, then think about card selection, and then try to find whats similar. Day of Judgement is a good Alternative to Wrath of God and Cancel is a good alternative to Counterspell.Just keep working at it, the kill condition is another matter though... I would find something highly evasive and easy to protect. If Mutavault is in Type 2 still thats a good option or even Gargoyle Castle. I really do like Iona though to. I appreciate the fact your also coming to me for advice about decks and all, I will keep trying to help you best I can. If you need help with a term or understanding why certain cards are good or bad, let me know! Ive pretty much been playing so long I have things worked out to a science from all the reading ive done and such.
+1 BTW
you are awesome rileyandholly88. thanks soooo much. and thank everyone also so far who has commented on my deck!!! i really appreciate it
what should i replace memory erosion with?
i've made the changes. tell me what you think
It still feels kinda the same, as far as asking for a win condition I really do not think you need one. Honestly, in a controlling and slow deck like this.... you dont really have a flashy win. Alot of people get so wrapped up in the desire to win BIG but really all you need is to deal that 20 damage little by little. List all the changes you made?
got rid of hedron crabs for the looters, took out one iona, put in 2 iors, got rid of kabira and replaced with Magosi, put it one more path and 3 silences, added jace and got rid of one solemn offering, got rid memory erosions, put in 1 more elemental and 1 more meddling mage, put in 2 quests, more basic lands, got rid of traumatic vision and 1 day of judgement, got rid of some essence scatters and thats iall i can remember as of now.
Timewarp will do you a lot of good in this deck. the waterveil is very good, but it makes you skip turns. so time warp plus waterveil = no skipped turn. You use the ability to put an eon counter on it, play time warp, then skip the turn you get with time warp. and instead of roil elemental in the sideboard, get things w protection from red/green. that'll help you against most aggro decks. wall of denial couldn't hurt . . . also more creatures like battlegrace angel, or deft duelist. I'd also take out the cancels just because you're going to get creature starved. Also swap out into the roil for things like Jhessian infiltrator, or even phantom warrior. otherwise, what you have is pretty solid.
time warp is a great idea if i can get my hands on one of those. as is deft duelist and the angel. i cant put in the infiltrator or phantom warrior though because one is has wrong colors and the other isnt standard legal though. thanks for the help though. time warp is a really good idea. i maight want some deft duelists as well. i need time to think it over a bit though.
wait nvm phantom is standard legal. hmmm i might put that in!
o thats hard to help you with this deck. i dont know so much new card´s and i don´t like the most of them also xD mh what´s about clone? don´t know if this card´s are restricted or banned in standard. but if your opponent play´s a creature that could help you, you could choose not to counter it and to copy that creature to your benefit.
its a good idea. id have to figure out what to take out. thanks for dropping by!
I like it good job.
thanks again!!!
I have a deck thats sort of similar and for finishing sometimes it helps to have powerful fliers because they won't be able to stop them, or just something monstrous in general because with a control deck you should be able to hold them off and accumulate enough mana
im also a little sceptical of the win condition, u only have 8 creatures including platinum angel, which means if you go through half your deck in a game u will have 4 creatures the whole game, and you cant stall so much that they won't kill most of them or deal serious damage to you.