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So this deck is major gimmicky but the real theoretical effectiveness is too good to pass up. See the how to play for what it is.
Use axebane guardian and defenders to mana ramp.When you cast Elite Arcanist, exile Silence from your hand. Play silence at the beginning of your opponents turn. If you have 2 out you can control them completely!!!!With your opponent only able to draw and play on your turn, throw out the big creatures to kill them.
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Terrible deck. Worst I've seen...Nah joking stop coming up with awesome deck ideas haha
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Lol i just love how you could totally lock somebody starting turn 6Turn 1: Forest2: Island and Murmuring Phantasm3: Forest and Axebane (fog f needed)4: Plains, Elite Arcanist, Exile Silence (fog if needed)5: Island, Elite Arcanist, Exile Silence, Angelic Wall/Murming Phantasm/gatecreeper (fog if needed)
Wow I didn't notice that. Good work!
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wow. the best I can do is 15 mana starting on turn six
nice deck, you may add cyclonic rift to bounce the creatures of your opponent
turn 5 opponent plays supreme verdict
i would drop the murmmering phantasm and add dissipate or negates
yes the deck can be countered, so can any other deck
instead there must be better draw card instead of divination something that would let you draw on your oppenents turn so you can have mana for your arcanist or fog
until sept i would pick sphinxs revelation or think twice
if i have defenders with axebane i shoudl have all the mana i need, if i don't im probably dead anyways, and i only need 1 mana saved for arcanist
ad curiosity for mizzt
add lol .
thats not the infinite combo Niv....Curiosity isnt bad on him, but its better on Firemind
Great deck idea, nice job, haha cant believe they would bring silence back, such a mean instant! :)
Not to mention in the same set as a creature version of isochron scepter and thanks
You know there were a few ppl from woc were laughing when they did that, they just went, you know what i hate isochron scepter, lets make it standard and throw silence in there ha
EXACTLY!!!!
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Love the concept, though I'm afraid of what could happen if they happen to burn out your Axebane Guardian and you're holding Niv/Utvara. Maybe some Gates with Red in them could be useful, to be fetched with Gatecreeper
hmm fair enough, ill make 6 of the other 3 and 2 gates with red
a better lock combination would be Possibility storm and Curse of Exhaustion, as they truly cannot cast anything anymore, whereas with silence or whatever if you come up against a blue deck with counters the combo might not work.
They still get to cast one spell, where here i can theoretically lock them completely
Curse of Exhaustion could be a good backup, since if you're playing against control they only get 1 spell per turn, in case your Silence gets countered or the mage dies. It also keeps you from banking too heavily on a single creature with a single spell.
Nono they cast a spell and because of possibiity storm the spell gets exiled, and then they search for a spell in their library for a spell that shares the same type, and cast it for free. But becasue of curse of exhaustion they do not get to cast it at all. With Silence if they have any instant speed spells they can play them on top of silence.
well the one spell they do get to cast for sure with possibility storm and that could be death where as instants have a much harder time of doing that
when you have both enchantments out, they do not get to cast anything at all, they cast the spell then it is exiled off the stack and because they can't cast more than one spell a turn via curse of exhaustion they are locked down with nothing but what is on the field
Daylight speaks the truth.
the opponent can still cast spells while silence is on the stack, so it is not a complete lock, making posibility storm/curse of exhaustion a better lockout. I have a buddy running a Possibility storm deck. it doesnt win often, but its funny when it does.
Wow, Pretty cool GyKx. Nicely done.
thank you
i think murmuring phantasm could come out for wall of frost as an even bigger roadblock with more utility. also, why play divination when forbidden alchemy is standard? either way, great deck, seems fun +1
I like having those 2 drop defenders, easier to get out, and forbidden alchemy will be cycling out in september, this is made with m14 and return to ravnica block only
in that case, would rather have oppurtunity than sylvan primordial. that pure card advantage is king
You could theoretically drop the Angelic Walls for Hover Barriers (I know it's 1cmc higher, but it's a 0/6 flier) and this would allow you to basically remove the Plains from the deck (since you'll want to be casting Silence through the Elite Arcanist, which is colorless) and solidify the manabase a little. You could use gates for the white mana in the event you need to hard cast Silence.
i think i agree so to Morgoth above Hover Barrier is in
ooo that mana curve got thrown off a bit though :/
im hoping itll be fine, plus this deck is a huge longshot anyways so i dont really mind
the more gimmicky the deck the more it needs to be on point with the curve in my experience. other goodstuffs decks can roll with it cause of their inherent card advantage, but you're playing with walls mate. consistency will win you more games than your gameplan unless elite arcanist is just so mindblowingly broken that it doesnt matter.
Since it's a defender deck with its win-condition at the high end, I don't think the mana curve is going to be a problem. If this were an aggro/fast deck that wants to drop something every single turn I could see more cause for concern, but once that Hover Barrier lands, it's going to stop just about anything they can throw at you and is almost impossible to burn without wasting a damn good card.
good point. the axebane guardians do a lot of work in this deck
Precisely guys
The Axebane Guardians can definitely push out one of the 3 huge creatures rather quickly, while your walls hold things in place. It's possible that a very early aggro push could do some serious damage but if you can get up 2 or 3 walls you can probably keep yourself alive long enough to drop one of the monsters.
I don't know how no one has realized this yet. . but this combo is bad for the same reasons why iso-chant is bad. Sure you can play silence DURING THEIR UPKEEP, but they still have a chance to respond to the Arcanist activation. Any instant speed removal or bounce, and your combo is over. The fact that Arcanist is a 4 mana 1/1 pretty much guarantee's this combo is unplayable. Note that you have to actually cast the silence during their upkeep. You can't just say "on the opponents turn" If its the opponents main phase he/ she has priority to play spells before you, so they could play anything they want before you have a chance to silence. and even if you play it during their upkeep they still have a chance to respond with an ability or instant speed spell of their own.
They realize it, but It could still be fun, that's the point of it. Not just to win, fun as well
Fair enough. I cant deny its pretty cool a combo like this exists in standard now. >:D
That's also why there's the giant monsters at the top of the mana curve. If they spend their removal trying to stop you from getting the Elite Arcanist working, it'll clear the way for things like Utvara.
Sure i get that. All i'm saying is that A) its not an actual "lock" and B) you have to be more precise when playing silence than just saying " on your turn i silence you" Unfortunately some knowledge of the stack and timing are needed, and i was only trying to help.I don't see this deck being super competitive, though i admit the combo is pretty cool for standard. But like Daylight said, a real lock already exists in standard.
I dont understand why someone posting "this is great idea lulz!!!' gets an upvote, but someone explaining how the card works so we dont have a standard format full of kids trying to use Silence like a counterspell gets downvoted....THAT, my friends, is whats wrong with this site.
i voted it up, so now they are 0
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What if you face another u/w/g deck? Or just a u/w deck. They will Counter your combo before it starts. I love the deck, and I will be making a different version when I buy my box of m14, but your build has flaws :c
every build has flaws. yours wont be perfect either. thats how the game was designed, and why its the perfect model of a CCG that has withstood the test of time
What about a couple fog banks ? a couple quicker good blockers ! Check a couple of my recent decks if you have a moment thanks !
they're cycling out
Its like an Isochron Scepter with power an toughness.
Things He Should Change:- 4 Fog Bank's instead of Hover Barrior's
sounds good to me
yep. Fog Bank is a smaller drop and a better card.:)
Fog bank is cycling out come september as far as we know
ya but it's very good for now in this deck.
Use it till September then, and put hover barrier on sideboard when fog bank goes out !
Sure, y not. :)
fog bank is not strictly better than hover barrier. you seem to forget that its 0/2 makes it VERY vulnerable to Pillar, Shock, spear, ect. sure, fog bank absorbs all combat damage, but think about what happens between turn 2 and 3. not much. getting the extra 4 toughness on turn 3 can stop creatures up until about turn 6-7, when they can play something serious enough to hurt Hover Barrier, and its much tougher to burn out, costing 2 spears or 3 shocks...
i would much rather have 2 fog banks out by turn 3 then 1 hover barrier. But I agree with what u said. :)
fog is nice, but for longer-term playing, try circle of protections and palisade giant.
This is a textbook "nope" deck!Opponent: I'm gonna do this!You: Nope.
And then Wrath of God...
and then Boros Charm.....whats your point?
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Hidden strings and ral zarek would both be awesome in here. Untap on your turn, silence with arcanist, untap with ral or strings and wait until their turn. Then after a few turns -7 ral and just win.
How about Isocronic Scepter?
Isohttp://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2009/10/22/elliott/666px-Trainwreck_Strain.jpgScepter??
oops, sry, was typing too fast. isochron scepter XP
Won't be standard
I like it! I like fun decks like this! I love the fact it's standard too! Great Deck
Excellent concept on paper but very weak in gameYou're not running any counterspells even though you're blueANDYour deck relies on elite arcanist which is a measly 1/1 without hexproofElite arcanist is a 4 drop Any control decks running counterspells or removal can kill it with 2 mana with doomblade or essence scatter etc (some as little as 1 - elecktrickery and other 1 to cast burn/removal)
Hey thanks for making all of these decks it gives me ideas for extra cards so thanks
No problem
u should add jace
Hehe, broaden the gimmicky ness, add Jace in there for AWC after full lockdown.
add freed from the real to give axebane guardian the possibility of infinite mana.
freed from the reel isnt standard. if he wanted to combo off for infinite mana in a gimmicky deck, he fwould have build Axebane Guardian/Galvanic Alchemist with defenders.
been there done that
wow built this deck for lulz and it preformed really well xD it needs a little work though i hope i can tweak it through a few more playthroughs
I built a deck very similar to this but instead of the nivmizzet and hellkite im using memory adept and volcanic geyser. Haven't used it yet but I expect great things
And fog for syncopate. Needed some countering
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Sure thing but how do u know my name? Lol
Sorry bro but u don't have any decks that I really know a lot about. Try looking for decks similar to yours with a lot of likes. That's what I do
use freed from the real or something similar to achieve infinite mana.(by tapping/untapping axebane guardian)
Noy standard and I already know bout infinite mana and this deck doesn't need it