Surprise High 5... to the face

Ye that would work, its all totally interchangable, that, in my opinion, is the beauty of the deck!

ya any deck that cheats giants into play is always great fun

What about that 1 drop (G) enchantment that allows you to play an extra land per turn? Is it even modern legal?

Dudes. I want your opinion on this.
http://www.mtgvault.com/kjsj3/decks/murderous-intent/

Edit: Exploration. Sadly not modern legal.

I so wish it was modern legal xD Maybe modern masters 2!

Dude that would be sick! I'm just hoping for hymn to tourach to get modern lol

Hopefully drive the price of Emrakul down!

I would love to see emrak cheaper I own 2 but would buy more if the price drops im currently running my 2 in a reanimate deck with 4 goryo's turn 1 emrak is just great I love it lol

Can't believe people got them at Preleases!!!

In stead of explore use exploration

I can't its illegal

Utopia Sprawl is a good card i think? Then only half your ramp is vulnerable to normal removal.

If they want to waste a removal spell on a dork, they can be my guest xD

Its out there, and now it is I bet someone at your local FNM will be playing it :D

THOUGH, is it a turn slower than breaching.....

No, it is a turn faster, but that is a close matchup

its 2 turns slower than Goryos Vengeance :)

yeah but goryo can be countered easily if they save a surgical extraction for the creature you send to the grave. no deck is foolproof, its just a matter of getting the drop on your opponent first and then praying your sb can save your bacon if you flop on match 2

Oh Ye I'm not saying the deck shall always win, as you can see in the results it hasn't! I haven't come up against a through the breach deck, so I'll try do the game asap

I've not seen goryo's in ages, the through the breach i got on the hot page didn't run it because, well I didn't think it was very good

Can you use the dramatic entrance into Progenitus

I was thinking of vexing shusher main board, and I do very much like Gaea's revenge, I'm hoping that, since the low number of counter/control, there aren't that many counterspells that aren't remand are flying around, but you have helped, thanks!

have some gutturals in the sb, taking out mindberak? I know mind-break is form storm/jeskai, but guttural can do just as well agasnt those decks aswell?

I'll check it out, I just worry about combo!!

your right about that, and you know your meta better than us. I suppose that these little interactions is why magic (with its limited optimal decks) is still so fun to play and plan for.

Especially when you are heavily modding a shell or making something new, testing and running gauntlets is so much fun. When you get to your goal tournament, you enter like a Zen-Like state and settle, know you cna do it and play it out like a boss. Feels so amazing, thats why I play Magic, for the thrill

Sounds like what I'm doing. I'm currently trying to iron out the kinks in an 8 Rack deck that runs waste not. I've pretty much gotten the legacy version down, but I'm working on a modern alternative as well. The legacy one is brutal as fuck if it goes off

You could SB Quicksilver Amulet for the Control Matchup, although you've already got Vexing Shusher. If it hits, since you don't actually cast them, it makes your creatures uncounterable, comes down a turn earlier than Dramatic Entrance, and isn't susceptible to instant only counter spells. The biggest downside would be the fact that it sits on the field for a turn (often) before you get start dropping bombs, but it's reusable for even more bomby good stuff.

in a green deck elvish piper is probably better then the amulet

Piper however is far too soft, as a 1/1 it, and I hate to say this, dies to all the removal

As good as mistcutter Hydra is, the X cost puts me off, something like Gaea's revenge maybe would work better?

OMG! Thanks for pointing that out, that is SO embarrassing, I think I'll have to swap it out for Gaea's revenge, that is such a shame though! RTFC Gothy you dummy xD

I have the sleeves and deck box XD.

For revenge? As good as it is, I won't be using it because it doesn't ha e trample and against so many lingering souls , I really need it!

Fetches smooth my draws, as Rayne will tell you below :) But you do have a good point about aggro, I lost a game to amulet bloom because I was knocked down to 1 and couldnt fetch to play see the unwritten, however playing the 24 forests version just wasn't as good. If you make the deck, feel free to make the change

Avatar of Might may be worth sideboarding vs aggro. Maybe also some life gain or protection? Something like Blunt the Assault or Respite

I'm not too scared about aggro because usually I'm faster and I'm planning to add in the Thragmaster in SB for the grind and aggro. I'm actually brewing a Hunter Troll/Avatar of Might deck

Thanks for the advice and I will check out Gen Wave, very embarrassing about the myojin, but I think I'll move to either Worldspine Wurm or Gaea's revenge. I'm not sure I want to shift towards the modern devotion style

There is always Natural Order.

I wish! Not modern legal, I would so love using it!!!

Put in Hellkite Overlord for now

That's really interesting and I think you're right, however I'm not a huge fan of explore, and I'm thinking of going for Search for tomorrow or Steve, what are your opinions there?

What the fuck is Steve? I've not heard that one before

Sakura Tribe Elder, that might be a local name for him!!

yeah most likely. its kinda like how my old shop dubbed sigiled starfish "patrick" rofl

Hahaha I think I'll get that one trending here!!!

I think that Steve is not worth it. It may be only 1/1 if you wont buff it and +1 land grants you pretty much cretures/spells. But where can you get 3 lands? I think its the best choice for your deck.
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I looked into my album and i think that Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx would be great and Armed//Dangerous or Prophet of Kruphix, which is pretty brutal. :) But no idea how to get them in.
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Or look into my decks i've posted here, i think there will be some good ideas for you.
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Also, I will be glad if you will check my decks and give me some advice. :)

I have to have the 3 lands in hand, that is the big issue, because then I only have 3 cards left in hand. I've said in a couple of threads I really want to avoid being a Nykthos deck, And I want to avoid another colour to be honest, I'll go take a look when I've got a minute! Got tonnes of essays tonight!!!

Essays??? Nooooooooooooooo!!!

Yep crazy time :(

Huh, sorry about that. ;)
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Still, Nykthos will really boost your deck I think.
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And yeah, with full hand you can bluff better etc.

Such are the trials of still being in school!!! I'll have a look at Nykthos but I'm not sure about it right now

It's not the playing fatties, its dramatic entrance, but you make a good point, I'll test and get back to you, although rn I'm testing search for tomorrow as that allows a t3 combo for Progenitus t5 kill or less depending

Ah yeah that's true. Search does seem pretty good in here with a suspend on turn one.

Unless you can utilize how fetch lands shuffle your library, or how they increase landfall triggers, having them in a mono colored deck is not that great. Sure, they thin your draws, but the increase in probability of drawing an extra card can only be consistently noticed around turn 9, and at a fair loss of life. Gitaxian Probes would even be more efficient. This might be irrelevant if modern was almost entirely control and combo, but there are a lot of very aggressive strategies in the last PT.
It does help See the Unwritten slightly, and would help a decent amount if you also played Courser of Kruphix or Lotus Cobra.

Here's an article explaining the probability:
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/print.asp?ID=3096

Good deck, though. It's creative and just my play style. +1 from me.

Fetches wise, I'm just trying to use a burn style manabase, because, well it seems to work xD

Well the truth is, I can't actually cast Progenitus, or Hell kite really, they get comboed in. Birds gives me SB options and works very well with crater hoof! The lantern is a little slow for what it does, as on t3 I can cast lots of dorks to set up a crater hoof kill, or actually combo, or harmonize to find my combo. Really glad you appreciate the deck!

see the unwritten is far better. its cheaper, and if you have a fatty out its doubly effective. the fact that stuff goes to the grave matters very little if you drop a progenitus and craterhoof

with all that mana 1 cmc is irrelevant. with all the mana acceleration hitting the entwine cost isnt hard ether. for 7 it does dramatic entrances job for 2 creatures, or it sets up dramatic entrance if your not quite at 9. at 9 mana it does see the unwritten's job with ferocious but it goes much further than 8 cards. and if you already have a fatty your already winning. and with 10 fatty's in the whole deck having 2 of them in the top 8 is unlikely especially since you need one to trigger the ferocious. also summoning trap in sideboard is a must for this kind of dec. also i never said it but i love the deck

I can see the arguement on both sides, however from testing tooth and nail is sadly too slow, and see the unwritten has been working so far, and its been working very well, I'll take another look and get back to you

You have to level it, and I don't think that is very proactive

The mana you spent to lvl up, WHEN you do it, you tap it for the same mana. After that, it always gives an extra mana. Turn 1 Joraga. Turn 2, level up and tap her for the two mana. Turn 3, you can have at least 5 mana if you played Explore and another creature. It's basically the same.

and gets switched off with a single removal spell

Cheers mate! Only thing in titan is a tad slow, and when I want to drop a fattieI want the game over in a turn or 2

Actually, most of the games are won without the combo, Ive only done that once ish, xenagos atarka is an easy to disrupt combo and just feels a bit week, I prefer Progenitus, he is just better at staying there and gettng the job done

I'm not saying cut progenitus I'd just cut him down. Xenagos isn't that easy to remove and if put in at instant speed followed by a seek could be really good. There is nothing here other than progenitus that's hard to disrupt and even he can be dealt with fairly easily after siding.

If staying with this idea and wanting things harder to remove I'd go emrakul and swap values on your cheats.

I've never had someone be able to deal with a Progenitus, there is no point in dramatic entranceing Xenagos and I can't entrance Emrakul, also I need fewer cards to 'combo' with to win when with Progenitus. The deck has been performing at its best with Progenitus, he was the main plan, because he flat out wins on his own, You'd be surprised how quick you burn through your hand and the difference between needing one and 2 cards is so crucial, otherwise I'd play Painter Entrance, but after my mate and I came up with both, they aren't as slick

So how does it play out when dramatic entrance is dealt with? You then rely on 2 seeks correct? If you win game 1 I just don't see how after boarding you make it? You have no removal/disruption (mainly hand disruption) so you just hope to out race? That's why I said I'd swap the 4 entrance for 4 seeks and vise versa. Then your threats are more viable if you want to keep it as is. Painters would get blown out of the water too fast to be viable I think.

It looks fun and having never played it or against it it might be way better than I think but I play slaughter games/sergical extraction / thoughtsieze (inquisition so it's nice that entrance gets around that)/ Pyroclasm/ anger of the gods / path.. And it looks like they'd blow a deck like this up rather well without the inclusion of blue control/disruption spells.

Well from testing, I'm afraid you're wrong about that one, I've got 6 ways to cheat guys in but frankly the rack is a rough match up. The largest counterspell in modern is Remand and that only sets back a turn, so I'm not so worried there. Surprisingly the Abzan match up has been really quite easy so far, but there are always going to be ways to crack the combo because otherwise it would be well known. Slaughter Games and Extraction aren't really used in modern that much, and Progenitus is gonna dodge most of their stuff, remember that I can still cast Entrance on t5 if they board wipe me, I just have to alter my play style to counter that. Painter is a good card, but I don't want to be needing 3 cards to combo rather than 2, its just not as good. The draw engine hopefully gets me out of anything apart from the most dedicated rack decks, but that is a match up I lose, so I'm not going to waste time adding a 5% win increase because its not worth it considering the tightness of the SB

Are you sure you're not just catching those decks off guard? The well known decks already know how to play around each other for the most part and if someone is playing you without knowing your deck list yeah I could def see them being confused how to play against it at first. Once they see your list it honestly SEEMS (key word) easy to deal with. Cryptic command tends to come after remand and command taps down even progenitus. Then tend to run negate and mana leak of remands don't get it done. I said you have entrance (4) and seek (2) those are your 6 correct?

Slaughter games sees play in almost every tron sideboard that I've come across.

Oh sorry, yes you are correct in the 4/2 break down, yes it does seem very easy to deal with, when we came up with it we thought it wouldn't work, then we played Abzan game one and we won, and it wasn't a fluke because we carried on winning, Command is good, and if they have it they have it, but hopefully we can just about slip under

No actually, its dramatic entrance, it is Green because it has Green mana in its cost, same with the Hellkite

That's kinda the point bro. The deck is supposed to use them in the same manner that your dragons use path and amulet. What happens when you play me and Bael? Those are the first things we go after, outside of broodmother or valkas lol

True, however my dragons can easily run without both things...Thats the beauty of my dragons is that they dont NEED Path/Amulet/Valkas/Broodmother or anything. It's balanced.

Im simply suggesting he balance this a bit better or at least add one or two more things to boost the big cheesers out.

I have tried Summoning trap, but Chancellor? I looked at Vorinclex, but Craterhoof ends the game the turn it hits (usually). Really glad you like the decks!

Yes, the extra mana(s) from Chancellor can be a huge boost on the first turn because you can already play two one drop elves!

but it doesnt end the game?

If you mean that it doesn't end the game right away with one attack you're right but in this case neither the Progenitus nor the Hellkite do. Only the Behemoth can IF you have at least 3 creatures in play and IF your opponent can't defend himself in some way.
So in the end you're right; it would be better to take out some Progenitus or Hellkites for the Chancellors.

Chancellor isnt as good as either of them though, that's all I'm saying, but its your deck, as I say change it as you wish!!

But, why... He's not special to the deck at all. Dies super easy. Atleast with Progenitus you have a guy that stays forever and gets 10 through every turn

Godsire popped into my head too, but the issue is it doesn't dodge removal and takes a turn off to make an 8/8

godsire has vigilance... you should be tapping it for the token at the end of your opponents turn after attacking with it in your turn

It still has summoning sickness. You wouldn't be able to really use it until your next turn.

I'd be surprised if it was allowed that turn to be honest, it can't protect itself, crater hoof technically protects itself by ending the game!

I feel like for that to be true it's going to have to be after turn 5 or 6

I'll try Godsire but again I'm not sure

Ye there was a thread about that one earlier, I have now tested it, and I'm afraid its just a bit slow, although you made a good suggestion

Okay, well, what about something like khalini Hydra? Maybe throw in a Nykthos Shrine to Nyx, 8 mana, 1 land

Ye addressed in another thread again, want to avoid Nykthos

Okay, so I have read all of the comments this time, and this hasn't come up: Primordial Hydra. It demands a responce even if you only play it for 3, its a 4/4 2 turns later, and two more turns later you have a 16/16 trample. Might not be a bad idea. I really don't think cratorhoof behemoth has a place in here, I thing you would need more creatures to get it to work really well.

It is X/X so doesn't fit in the deck, Craterhoof flat out ends games

Only issue with that is that i then need to pay for it and all I do is draw one or the other, so I don't see much need

That is a good point, thanks

^this is what I was thinking

Right, well maybe this isn't the deck for you, because it works perfectly for me.

Each person has there own play style. Gothy is good with aggro, combo, midrange (at least what I've seen or played against), while I'm good with control, combo, midrange. It's all a mental point of view.

Did you mulligan aggressively? That's what I do, and that tends to work

KJSJ3 is right, I can't play control to save my life (Literally) and my midrange decks are usually rather aggressive, I can do simple combos, Legacy Storm I can do, Modern storm, too much maths!!!

I miss playing Jeskai semi miracle control when it was standard. I might work on that for modern since melira pod got hammered. Heck, maybe I should toss living end together.

miracles is best (although most expensive) in legacy. If I were you, I'd be building Tron or Storm

What about ad nauseum or infect? Only usable legacy deck I have is a halfway built reanimate deck.

Ye I can play both of them, but they are both reasonably weak right now

I did all those things and I couldn't recover. I can play all sorts of decks with efficiency. Just just never gave me a good hand. That's all I'm saying

Thats very strange because 9/10 games I get good hands

most of the sample hands ive done I got a dramatic entrance and a bunch of land/rampers and maybe a fatty so it looks consistent to me

Couldn't hurt.

i try to read as many as i can, good source of magic theory (somewhat outdated though) is "the totally unauthorized magic the gathering.

Usually I read SCG, but all my favourites (except CVM) have gone to premium... I'm looking at you Tom Ross!

As Promised: http://www.mtgvault.com/gothy/decks/brainstorming-get-competitive/

And another! http://www.mtgvault.com/gothy/decks/brainstorming-picking-poison/

Yes it has green in the mana cost

So I lose if someone stops the combo working... yes I know this, and I know it is fragile, however the most played modern counterspell at the time of casting entrance is Remand. Furthermore, I don't need other colours, they are just not necessary, birds just happens to tap for other colours

Hand disruption is a thing too, as well as negate. These are all points made long ago. Do you have current updates as to how well the deck does against the tiers?

Awfully sorry, but no, I've been so busy at 6th Form!

I already get turn 3 dramatic entrance reasonably easy

Why? Summoning trap looks at one less card for the same amount of mana and won't get me 2 creatures if I already have a fatty, terastodon and sky swallower don't end the game immediately and none of those cards enter of dramatic entrance.

Summoning Trap gives you resiliency to counters. Remand all the sudden becomes very bad against you. Plus it is an instant so it's a pseudo removal in marginal cases.

If you decide for that route would go in a 3/3 or 4/4 split with BOTH spells.

Either cases, I reinforce the importance of being able to sometimes just play whatever fatty you've drawn.
Terastodon is one of the best of those, while not ending the game in a traditional sense, destroying the most important 2/1 or 1/2 splits (you can target your own land with terastodon).
Dragonlord Atarka is also right around the corner (for MODO) and could be something worth inclusion.
or Hornet Queen...

Atarka I'd consider, however I don't like hornet queen, remand doesn't really bother me and I really just dislike terastedon, and I can cast Craterhoof, which does end the game

Gothy, I'm confused on what's the deal. Is it to be a turn 3 deck?

I get that you're playing with cards that you like, but that shouldn't be an argument for including or excluding anythign unless you're about casual.

If the goal is to Dramatic Entrance ASAP, you migh as well choose the options that either.

Same for the creatures, what is the creature profile you're looking at?
Is it high risk shut the door? (Hellkite Overlord)
Low risk, untouchable clock? (Empyral Archangel)
Both? (Progenitus, SSS)
Disruption. Somethign that prevent twin from comboing you on the way back for example... (Terastodon, Woodfall Primus)

If you decide to open for Unwritten/Trap pack, you could include Emrakul which is virtually untouchable by turn 4 and shuts the door one turn after entering play.

Overall I think the discussion would flow a bit better if you tell us more specifically:

"What exactly you're trying to do with your piece?"

Nope, he isn't immune to sacrifice

Damn that would be nice

Ye but one progenitus usually gets the job done xD

Gothy, where are you playing this, and how the result have been?
Are you playing this on MODO?
How it fares against new archetypes like CoCo and Grixis Delver?

the not so sanctioned modo, I use cockatrice, haven't had time to test yet, but I played a quick one against grixis delver and munched it, they can't deal with any of the bombs and Atarka is great against Coco

Coco? Anyone care to explain? (Does coco stand for collected company?)

Coco? Anyone care to explain? (Does coco stand for collected company?)

Abzan collected Company/ Abzan podless pod

http://www.mtgvault.com/gothy/decks/grixis-delver-bitch-please/ This deck has been heavily tested in the more current meta and has a SB plan for the top 8 decks in modern