Brainstorming: Final Curtain

by Gothy on 07 July 2015

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Deck Description

Well, how to put this, trust me, I've tried several drafts, and all didn't seem to work because I struggled to really realise where I finally stood. It's been a few weeks since I felt really at home here.

So what I'm really saying is that this is the final Brainstorming article, and for a while at least, my final deck on the vault, I'll check this deck for comments for a couple of days, but after then its time for a break.

I remember when I first joined the vault, putting up my mono-black aggro deck, and feeling really good when I got nice comments about decks, and when I put up new decks which at the time, I thought were ground breaking! I look back now at some of them and cringe but still, it was fun. I've watched changes happen to the vault, watched stars come about and disappear, I had my own brief time of doing well and had a few decks end up on the hot page which was nice and great to have people taking an interest in my opinions and reading my articles, I always tried to spend at least an hour making sure the content was interesting to read and when I published, I would read every single comment and reply to all of them, offered support where I could.

However the first nail in the coffin is when my friends from my LGS quit the vault, complaining it was dull and obsessed with casual and budget, which simply didn't cater to the way we like to play here, but I kept going, whilst my friends, all those guys would end up on the hot page back when they built, moved away to rely on StarCityGames and Channel Fireball.

Well frankly, the content written by pros is always going to be better than amateur stuff and sadly, vault is very amateurish, after facing the team at several PTQs I can testify that they were distinctly below average, lovely people, but easily beaten (even when you cock up a mulligan but that is a very different story).

It has got to a point where it feels that budget is the most important thing about magic on the website, but it is not. It is about enjoyment of the game, however you get that, around the kitchen table, at your LGS or at a GP it is essentially about enjoyment level. It might be the conditions of how I was brought up to play magic, but I was brought up around the school table until I was told about the 'myth of FNM, where loads of players do battle.' So I turned up one day with a deck to play 4 rounds of standard... oh it went bad 0-3 drop because my Dad had to pick me up, but I wasn't deterred, opponents had been nice to me and I'd seen some of my friends. I went to about 4 FNMs going 0-4 the whole time and 0-2 in every match, but I was enjoying myself and I was improving although I was getting my backside handed to me.

Then I built an on paper terrible deck, but on the battlefield it was great, I took down players vastly more experienced than myself playing decks far better than mine, but hey it worked and my first good FNM ended in the final going 3-1. From then on I got better because I was given more support from those people I managed to beat and begun to sink a bit more money in, my mono black deck was under £20 and I had googled budget decks.

Then I found out about the Pro Tour, and would watch it to try and pick up tips and learn more, seeing players like PV, David Ochaoa, Insane Hayne, Sex Bomb Kibler and Finkel energised me to do better... then I heard the magic words out of BDM's mouth- You can try and get on the Pro Tour by playing in one of our PTQs which you can find locally here!

I told my friends about it and we planned that in late June, we would head to Chelmsford and play... but we needed good decks, I settled for jund midrange, who wouldnt want to cast Thragtusk, Huntmaster and Olivia Voldaren? My friend Rocco settled on American Control and my friend Alex settled on Esper control, and there it was, we spent our money and traded hard, but we also got lent some cards which we couldn't get our hands because of the cost.

Now its got to the point where the vault has just lost something to me because apparently budget and competitive can't work together, I've said it a million times, a deck can be budget, but that is no excuse for it to be poor, if you're first defence is 'I was on a budget' then that is a poor defence in most cases, when you're building Abzan control in standard, you don't throw in the towel because you can't buy thoughtseize, you play Duress or something else similar! If you haven't experienced it, build a top standard/modern/legacy deck, take your time building it, but never lose sight of that goal and then learn it over time and kick arse with it! I usually pick up a single deck throughout a whole season of standard an keep playing it the whole time, it might lose power, but my experience of the deck will improve.

I really hope that this helps some of you, and I implore you to have a go, as I say, I'll be around for a little longer and can point you to a deck or help you build one but essentially, this is good bye.

A final note is to all those that supported me- you know who you are and I know that you will carry the flame in my absence and it is you guys that I feel sad to leave.

In conclusion, Keep Brainstorming, and good bye.

How to Play

You know the drill- turn stuff sideways.

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  • Standard
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Card Legality

  • Not Legal in Standard
  • Legal in Modern
  • Legal in Vintage
  • Legal in Legacy

Deck discussion for Brainstorming: Final Curtain

Well, Vault is certainly way more about kitchen table magic and less about competitive play, which is why I am here (well, that and being able to build and organize the decks I play IRL). It's this site's obessession with everything "budget" that gets unnerving at times. Mostly because most people confuse "budget" with all sorts of things. As you said, some deck(type)s just won't work on a budget, no matter how hard you try. Also, as you correctly put: Being on a budget is no excuse for poor excecution and lazy card choices. But my guess is that's part of the appeal of budget decks - if they perform badly, the owner can always pull the "I was on a budget!"-card and use that as an excuse. Which is ironic considering that Vault is supposed to be about kitchen table magic where winning is less important than playing with style and having overall fun ... in the same way as it is ironic that everyone here is so focussed on that damn "Hot Page" and hellbent on getting a spot there ...

But moreover, what most people don't get is that being on budget forever won't get you anywhere. If you constantly buy sub-par cards as substitutes for the top choices, you'll never build up a proper collection! There are some top-notch cards that are cheap money-wise for some reason (mostly because they are common/uncommon and/or reprinted often). Those are the cards you really should look for. Like that Mortify and Putrefy that Northy crams in 80% of his decks. Or like Reins of Power, a dirt-cheap card that can win multiplayer games on it's own (this is the card *I* am constantly recommending). Those cards are worth mentioning in anything "budget". But there aren't many of them in existence . The mayority of cards are expensive for a reason or cheap for a reason. I love those Scry-lands and the fact I can get them so cheap but in the end of the day they come into play tapped which makes me an entire turn slower which is an eternity in Magic. So they are a good thing in true casual multiplayer kitchen table manner but not suitable for most modern decks if I want to have a shot at winning any tournament. It's that simple. It might be reasonable to keep it budget for the first two or so decks you buy but atfer 10 or so budget decks, you'll have a bunch of sub-par dual lands and other cards that still don't win you anything. You could have some fetchies by now, albeit in fewer numbers. But, unlike those sub-par surrogates you bought during the last couple of months, you can always sell those fetchies to get something else. But chaff stays chaff.

Besides, I am pretty sure that 99% of all those people that eat up all those budget decks here do never actually buy those cards and never build that deck themselves! They just cast their upvote, leave a "great deck, bro" comment and leave it at that. Which also means that most of those budget decks posted here have never actually seen play and therefore never proven themselves!
And the reason for that is not just laziness. No, if someone posts a budget deck for 30$, that would still be 30$ to spend. And subconsciously they know what I wrote above: That they would spend those 30$ on sub-par cards. And why would they do that? The typical person that worries about budget is also the type of person that dislikes the very idea of buying an entire deck online! Competitive tournament buy singles and entire decks, but not broke average joes. No, what broke average joe actually does is spending the (little) money he has on boosters and then working off of the collection he has. But in that case, what is a budget deck on Vault doing for him? Inspiration aside: Nothing! Budget or not, it will predominantly consist of cards that average budgetlover joe doesn't own and he will not buy the missing cards online (because he is too cheap for that) and he will also not trade for the missing ones (because trading for obscure Us and Cs is extremely frustrating and time consuming).

So, inspiration is all he actually gets. And my growing suspicion is that inspiration is what those budget lovers are secretly seeking for in the first place. Which is a sad thing considering Magic is all about creatitivity and offers a bazillion of ways create new decks. Creating powerful decks from limited resources requires skill. If you lack skill, budget decks aren't any more useful for you than the average pricy net-deck. If you are on a budget, you are both limited to your own collection and your own deckbuilding skills.

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 16:15

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Cheers for the comment, nice that you took the time to write all of that! I really couldn't agree more, feels like an extension of my point which makes me happy! The crazy thing is if someone gave me 15 minutes and a list of every red card 4 mana and below in standard, i could build them a 'budget' deck that would actually win them games, I really believe in the whole 'justify every card choice' I really believe that singles are a cheaper way to do it, I make back tonnes of money that I would spend on boosters by winning tournaments, that's why I play tournament magic and not kitchen table as much, trust me I prefer playing with my mates when we can have a laugh, but I still get to play magic at a high standard, but get to win stuff for it! Things like modern masters, I won't buy because im unlikely to make my money back, but I've made around £400 ($617) my mardu deck and the most expensive card was stormbreath, which I worked up to buy.

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 17:34

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I actually forgot another things I'd like to mention:

It's not only that everything budget here is popular, non-budget decks are shunned, even if all the cards that make them expensive are easily replaced!
Which is a huge problem for me since the decks I post are the decks I play IRL. I collect cards since 1994, so my collection is huge. For example, I own a playset of each original dualland. I own them, so I use them. And since I need Vault to organize my decks, I post them exactly as I play them. Now, adding a single Bayou to a deck that would otherwise be around 50 dollars will now cost 200. And it seems that people look for the price tag first and if it's too high, they don't even read the decklist or explanations. But isn't it obvious that if you want to play the deck all you have to do is exchanging that Bayou with a different (albeit fetchable) dualland like Breeding Pool, reducing the cost of the deck back to 60 dollars!?

Another thing about what you wrote: Yes, you can build pretty awesome and yet cheap decks if you buy singles, but as I wrote, this needs a lot of skill and understanding of card mechanics as well as market prices and whatnot. MOst players lack some of those skills, especially of course if they are new to game. However, that applies to tournaments aka competitive play. What I don't get is: MTGVault has mainly casual players that don't really aim for competitive play. What they actually ask Northy to do is "build a budget [creature type] deck" or "build a budget [game mechanic] deck" ... and this I don't understand, all it needs is a quick query in any card database (MTGVault has it's own!), add cards of the desired creature type while adhering to basic rules of thumb regarding mana curves etc. and if the result is too expensive, just start cutting the most expensive ones and replace them with cheaper ones of roughly the same CC. Come on, everybody can do that!
Building budget casual decks can become tricky if you want to do specific things like "I want to manipulate the opponents top of the library and then take advantage of of it" or "I want to maximize [obscure card]" but nobody ever asks for something like that. All they care for are tribals and block mechanics.

And the ultimate irony of all of this: IF all they want is tribal and block mechanic budget decks ... then why don't they check out all those dozens of decks that are already made in this very site? Decks that desperately need some attention? I mean, if I make a deck search for the tag "angel" I get 994 (!) results, don't tell my they all cost hundreds of dollars ...

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 20:56

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A) I am so jealous you have all the duels xD as a baby of 98 I don't have access to that, but even with my collection from New Phyrexia onwards I can build a standard mono-red aggro deck easily so really not much excuse xD

B) I seriously think singles are the best thing to buy because then you can win what you pay back and there are your packs!

C) Yes, I used Decked Builder because i like the interface and its easy on my phone and I brewed the Grixis delver deck just before it got huge, so I felt very happy!

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 21:03

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Maybe stop propagating B) ... see, you need to be very good in order to consistently win enough to get your money back. In fact it is mathematically impossible for everyone to make profit. Besides, you don't really make profit if you consider all the time, effort and expenses (not only entry fees, also bus tickets, food, sleeves and whatnot). And I say "stop saying that" because this option is just not viable for exactly those that lack the skills (which are the ones that crave for budget etc.), which ultimately means you'll come across as someone that is either bragging (at best) or telling the blind to go to the cinema :)

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 21:19

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Or they go for a sneaky peak at Star City Games deck lists look for anything done by Tom Ross or the gorgeous Kibler and buy the singles making changes to their shell, you don't have to be that good to make a profit, I manage it and I'm very mediocre in the grand scheme of things! I use mono red as my example because its simple and tends to be commons so most people could pick it up, just in case offence was caused, the ABC was just because it worked in my brain, really a reflection on my self! I like simplicity... hence red xD

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 21:31

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I remember trying to post under-$100 starter modern decks (mono-blue delver, budget infect, burn, zoo) and getting shot down, lol. They don't want competitive, they want a list of 15 cent cards

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Posted 16 July 2015 at 12:16

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Posted 16 July 2015 at 12:18

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Even so, I posted a standard format mono blue infinite combo deck for under $10 (no rares) that hasn't really been noticed. I think even with a budget tag the decks owner is the biggest factor.

http://www.mtgvault.com/kjsj3/decks/elusive-ox-formation/

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Posted 16 July 2015 at 12:42

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:( so if not on here, how are we suppose to keep in touch??

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 17:37

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Snapchat? My new Skype?

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 18:44

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I still have skype, and although I don't always have internet access, I have kik on my iPod.

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 18:48

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Get Snapchat! Its so awesome! Whats your skype name? My computer decided it didn't want to tell me my skype ID

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 18:50

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Still lostwords2. I might look it up...

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 19:00

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Setting skype up again, massive update for modern windows today

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 19:29

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I can't find you, search me [email protected]

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 19:35

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Request sent.

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 20:45

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Awesome, as soon as I pick it up I'll accept, and you can witness the Mardu madness that has been my standard xD

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 20:53

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Sad to hear you leaving, but I more than understand your predicament. I came onto the vault a year ago and was overwhelmed by the number of budget decks. Budget decks are a GREAT way to introduce people into magic, but as time goes on, people need to adapt to change, evolve, and up their game. I've stopped playing at my local comic book store and now play at Channel Fireball. Similarly, I've stopped using the vault as a way to learn techniques/strategies and made more competitive decks. I don't think I've posted a deck on here that's less than $100. Most of mine are around the $500 price range, which, of course, doesn't seem to "fit in" with all of these budget decks.

I totally hear you Gothy. There is NOTHING wrong with non-budget decks. Just too bad there's not other forums/sites as good as the vault for comments, suggestions, tips, etc.

Best wishes, good luck, and happy trails...

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 20:16

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Cheers dude, you too, well we can say we tried! I would say support your LGS as well as Channel Fireball because they need it more, unless they really suck, I'm really lucky with my LGS

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 20:19

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Yes, I agree. I still support my LGS when it comes to buying packs, singles, and supplies like dice/sleeves/deck boxes. But I honestly got tired of crushing people there with my tiered decks. That's why I started gaming at channel fireball since the people there have top -tiered decks and are more competitive (and it helps that they have FREE Modern and Standard tournaments each week). Anyway, after playing there, I stopped making mistakes and misplays VERY fast =P
That's why I really agree with your post. The vault is great for beginners and those just starting out, but eventually, people need to "up their game". There are still lots of budget-friendly formats, like Pauper, Peasant, and Commander/EDH formats.
But yes, you cannot get that much advice/suggestions for your decks from the vault if they are not used to competitive decks. While I have the utmost respect for Northy, when I asked for his help on one of my decks that combined Podless Pod + Hatebears, he only said: "Since I am not into Modern at all, all I can offer is my support." Fair enough. No problem with that. He was courteous enough to reply. But in order to get useful advice on decks, I really think we need to seek help elsewhere. There are still those on the vault that offer great advice, which is why I'll still post decks on here though. But for now, the best advice I've been getting is from other players at fireball.

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 20:29

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You're so lucky, I live in UK so don't get any of that, and I can't even go to GP London -.- Yes I remember when I had a lot of supporters we challenged Northy to build a competitive modern deck, I gave him a hand with it, but there were certainly some dodgy choices in a very linear Abzan deck, the deck also remained unlisted. I was looking at a Coco Twin featuring Heliod's pilgrim... ye that was weird! xD

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 20:39

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I actually feel bad now.
I feel like that it is my fault that you leave, which most probably is the reason. I'm so, so very sorry.

But I want you to know one thing and one thing only:
(Insert some sad music to the background so this post doesn't seem like a hatepost, since it is NOT.)
I do these budget decks for one good reason, and that's just the reason you mentioned above: the enjoyment of the game.
See, I love my friends, just like you do. I know that none of my friends (well, certainly most of them) do not have the potential of becoming a FNM, Pro Tour or GP player.
...and most of all, I don't want to be there where my friends aren't. I want to play with them. MTG unites me and my friends, together we form something completely new and special, something unique... an unique bunch of friends with stars in their eyes and laughter on their lips. That is nearly something worth living for.

And budget? Well, budget is just part of the way we play. Most of us do not have a lot of money to spend, so we all use our heads and wallets wisely. I focus on budget and fun instead of effectiveness and quality in my decks. And that's what makes my life a whole lot better place to be.

I might know where I've gotten my fear towards Constructed Tournaments. My big brother's friends were always going into a FNM or some else tournament back in the day, and they were always so serious about them. They were really nervous guys and they talked a lot about the hundreds of euros they had spent on their newest Modern deck and all the poor opening hands they had gotten in Tournaments. I immediately thought that it is not meant for me. I don't want MTG to be serious. I want to play with the people I love and have fun. Since those days, I've felt some cold shivers back in my spine whenever someone mentions a word "Tournament", "FNM" or even "Modern format".
...until now. Your convincing posts about positive experiences in Tournaments have given me some new vigor. I WILL try a tournament or two one day. That day may not be tomorrow, that day may not be during the next week, may not be during the next year, but it will be one day. It will be thanks to you.

Sorry for repeating myself, but I mention it again: sorry for forcing you out this website.
But I hope you can do ONE and only ONE thing for me after you leave: I hope you try to remember only the good moments we had together here, and not the bad ones. I want you to remember things like this, what you said 14th of June, 2014:
"Hyvästi ystäväni!" ("Goodbye, my friend!") ( http://www.mtgvault.com/northernwarlord/decks/an-important-message/ )
I want you to remember that you once called me a friend. I want you to remember that...
...you are still my friend.

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 20:33

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Ah come on, you're not forcing me off, its a huge number of things and I'm having to cut down on my magic, I'm going into my last year of school which means big exams for university, and I'm aiming at the 3rd best uni in the world so there is a lot of pressure! Don't try and get into tournaments on your own, do it with your friends, that's how my friends and I did it, everyone has the potential to be a GP player, some just take longer than others, but it takes a decent amount of time, deck prices can look scary, but the quickly go down if you trade smart and can card share with friends, that Jund deck I spoke about was 30% borrowed and I broke even with it, my skype id is up in my convo with KJ, so grab it there when you feel ready to tournament. The main reason was really my education pressures, but no one wants to hear about them, but if I can inspire people then thats great (makes me feel a little bit like my beloved Kibler) I can see the worry over high level tournment play, watching something like the protour and the way those guys play is daunting, but watch the banter in between matches, yes you get salty players but 90% of people I play are people I want to play again. I remember at my infamous WMCQ (0-5 drop) all my opponents were so supportive, hung about after munching me and didn't patronise me with deck advice, but told me about local things and experiences they had, as Sarkhan had just been announced everyone chatted about him.

If I were you, build mono-red and master it, its so much fun and pretty easy to get hold of and of course GOBLINSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 20:51

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*quickly wipes a tear away*
Goodbye friend. You'll be missed.

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 20:53

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You don't have to miss me, you can just hit me up on skype xD Only if you build goblins though, or I'll set my dragons on you ;)

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 20:55

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No, Northy, it's certainly not directly your fault and please don't stop what you are doing. I am more blaming your audience :P But you have to realize: Your decks always dominate the "Hot" page because your followers flock to them no matter what, which draws attention away from basically anything else. Heck, even during your break there was always at least one of your decks (or your farewell "deck" ... which isn't exactly helping the case if a valueable Hot Page spot is occupied by a non-deck). But again, it's not your fault that most Vaulters are glued to the Hot page nor is it your fault that the Forums are STILL disabled (where you would normally post your farewell) nor is it your fault that there is no limitation-per-user on the Hot page anymore etc. etc.

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 21:10

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Gothy what uni are you shooting for?

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 23:00

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You certainly shouldn't feel bad Northy. As I mentioned, this is a GREAT place to introduce new players into magic and a wonderful place to help them get their feet wet in this game. Your budget deck really are inspiring. Last year, when you made the budget standard tribal warriors deck with khans of tarkir, I made that deck and even went 3-0-1 at my LGS against expensive decks. It was SO aggro. =)
Keep those budget decks coming. Now that WOTC is cutting out core sets to entice players into mtg, it looks like YOU will have to fill that role. ;-) Keep up the great work.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 04:52

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Cambridge Uni in England, its English Harvard but was opened by Henry VIII

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 06:18

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Also Tleung actually proves my point, if a deck is legit good, it doesn't matter what budget it is on, but once you know your shell is powerful you can improve on it, like with the mono-black I spoke about, I went into B/R for Dreadbore and Olivia Voldaren when I cannibalised Jund, can I have the list, I'd quite like to see where I would take it

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 16:37

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Read that post listening to Christina Perri's "A Thousand Years". It fit nicely.

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 03:32

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Which post?

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 14:24

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Northy's sad reply.
"(Insert some sad music to the background so this post doesn't seem like a hatepost, since it is NOT.)"
-Northern Warlord

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 00:13

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I am crying now.


Miss you.

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 23:45

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Don't cry!!!! I'm not gone yet! You can always go and laugh at my terrible YouTube videos that I made when I was 13/14!!

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 06:27

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;)

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 23:42

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Gothy, why are you leaving, you make me so sad....... Maybe in a few years you can come back???? I really hope so, i love your decks and i hope you can come back to the vault. You will be remembered. I WILL remember your decks and your fun personality, i hope you come back. Please

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Posted 07 July 2015 at 23:50

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This is what was happening until i see this:
Doing:walking home from the gym
Thinking:what a great wonderful day!
Feeling:strong and healthy
Next:
Doing:enter house
Thinking:time to check on mtg vault!
Feeling:excited
Next:
Doing:looking at decks
Thinking:oooh! A new deck, also, a brainstorming deck! I love brainstorming decks!
Feeling:grateful
Next:
Doing:clicking the deck
Thinking:why final curtain? Ohhh! It must be the last brainstorming! :(
Feeling:mediokrely unhappy
Next:
Doing:reading deck description
Thinking:wait, what! Gothy is leaving!?nooooooooooooooo
Feeling:deppressed, sorrow, angry, gloomy, hateful, sad, mad, crushed
Notice how sad you made me, now i will be sad for the rest of the month, or 2 months, heck maybe even forever!

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 00:21

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I'm Sorry!! I didn't mean to make you sad!! I'm hoping to be back next summer, and I've posted on other threads how to contact me if you need me!

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 06:17

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Gothy, how do I put this? ...In my time here on Vault, though short, I have learned more from you than you may know. Your articles and comments taught me many things, chief among which, to enjoy the game. That's the reason I play, thanks to you.

It is with the utmost respect, and heaviest heart I say goodbye, my friend.

May the future smile upon you, the draw be ever in your favor, and love, forever in your life.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 01:12

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Cheers man *wipes little tear* hopefully see you sooner than I expect!

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 06:26

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We can only hope! Until then, I wish you all the best.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 22:28

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Hi Gothy~
I don't know you that much, since I've only been here for like a year. But I've seen your decks and learned a lot from them. I hope you learn a lot from the uni your gonna go to, and thanks for leaving a legacy for us! :D
So what I have to say is this: http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
Press the button and you'll understand.
Remember, Thespian's Stage + Dark Depths is boss!!!
:D

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 02:04

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I was really worried what that was going to pull up, expecting meat spin because of my messed up mates, but noooooooo that certainly made me laugh xD And yes- Legacy lands is mean mean machine! Thank you for the kind message!

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 06:23

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:)

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Posted 13 July 2015 at 23:10

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I do agree with most of the posts on here. I mostly play casual but I play it competitively. I have a collection worth thousands and ive been playing for over 13 years. instead of buying lots of budget decks just budget your $ to buy good recyclable cards the kind that you will use in other decks once you are tired of the current one and break it apart to build something else. for me if a deck is listed on here for under $200 it is budget.

goodbye gothy and I hope you still play magic

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 02:26

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Ye, I think you're riht, modern budget is about $200, like mono-green infect or delver, I'll not stop playing magic, got pre-release coming back and Goblin Piledriver!

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 06:25

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Not looking forward to piledriver... How will set rotation happen and what will be standard?

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 11:23

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I have no idea, try WOTC website

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 20:26

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When Origins comes out, the following will be standard legal:
Theros, Born of the Gods, Journey into Nyx, M15 Core Set
Khans of Tarkir, Fate Reforged, Dragons of Tarkir, Origins
Come late September, when Battle for Zendikar is released, the entire first line will no longer be standard legal. Just Battle for Zendikar and the second line.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 20:36

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I can't wait for piledriver ive wanted a playset but didn't want to drop that much on it I do own 1 for my goblin edh tho

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 02:01

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I haven't really studied the set (only skimmed through it), but I might be going to a pre release. Anything I should be looking out for?

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 04:35

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Well I'm going to try and build U/W fliers with thunderclap wyvern but almost all the rares look fantastic

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 07:31

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I'm thinking of tossing the wyvern in my pride of the clouds deck.

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 11:46

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Well its a lord so I would agree

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 14:24

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Yeah... Out of curiosity, do you play tiny leader?

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 15:17

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I have a deck in theory but not in real life

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 15:33

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Also new here. In fact very new.... However I too am sad to hear that you will be leaving soon. I've enjoyed searching through your decks and seeing your ideas, but what Ive enjoyed more is seeing the dialogue between you and your friends discussing mechanics, and effectiveness of certain cards and just generally having a good time. I like to see that, that kind of relationship is possible to form here. Where I am from there are relatively few magic players... and no Friday Night Magic. The only people I really get to play with are family members and a few friends... but it seems that really only me and my brother are much into magic. Ha, together we actually managed to collect every card in the core 15 set. Ive enjoyed seeing people like you and moocow and northy interact... it makes me feel kinda what a fnm is all about. If I wanted to go to a FNM the nearest one is over a hundred miles away. Up until recently, I had never even been to an FNM. ( I actually made the 100+ mile trip to be able to attend one. I actually took the abzan midrange deck that ive posted on here, ( with slight variations, I actually ran four Ajani mentor of heroes and 2 Garruk apex Predators. I lost to my first opponent who was kind to me considering it was my first mtg. He ran a redwhite goblin rabblemaster.) but out of the 6 matches I played with different people,i went 3-3, and I learned a lot... such as 4 ajanis might be a bit much in deck. However, it was a ton of fun and it was exciting to meet new people and to see new ideas... and I almost get that same feeling here. So once again im said to hear that such an active and experienced mtg fan such as yourself is leaving. I hope that someday I might actually be able to attend more than just FNM occasionly but hopefully make it to a tournament. I also hope to be an aspiring collector... Me and my brother bother want to have playsets of each card as they come out. its a long shot dream, but hey im working up and saving up to it! Any ways, I hope that life is good to you wherever you go! Also if you have moment, I would love it if you would look at the decks that ive created and the ideas behind them and help me with tips and general card knowledge on how to improve the decks. Again thank you.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 02:55

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Cheers man, if you really want to and you can find around people, you can apply to WOTC to host an FNM, if you need a hand, I'll be here until the pre-release so can try and do what I can

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 06:21

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 02:56

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rest in peace gothren, i never forget u, ur deks always so good
- may god bless ur'e souls

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 11:22

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Rip in peice.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 12:06

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I'm not dying guys! xD

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 15:21

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(Resists saying: you sure? Heh.) (:

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 02:35

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Well I hope not...

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 07:37

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Everyone's dying veeeery slowly. It's aging.

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 12:49

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I am dead

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 12:09

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I hate to say it, but there are only seven budget decks on the hot page, and four of them are made by the same user. Maybe your friends just wanted a site with more users so they could get more feedback on their decks. I often think I should do the same thing.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 12:10

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There are enough users here and enough deckbuilders. But for some reason people only check out the hot page and stick to the people they know. That's why 1% of users get 90% of the attention and comments while the others get buried unnoticed. Unleashing more users to the site won't help that. It's the attitude that has to change:

1) Stop focussing on the Hot page, instead go for "New" and "Unloved"
2) Give comments and advice yourself first, then ask for comments on your decks
3) If you are interested in specific decks, check out the existing decks using deck search

If people would do that, the site would be of better health overall. But that won't happen, people will stay people.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 13:37

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7 is a bit too many, and again its not the budget its the quality, that's why we quit, and it wasn't about getting noticed, whenever they posted decks- straight to the hot page but they didn't post much

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 15:22

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I need your competitive mind for this one.
Could painter be viable in modern?
http://www.mtgvault.com/kjsj3/decks/modern-painter/

I have to re download skype... I had the old system. Might be why you never got the request.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 15:38

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You can also ask Wickeddarkman regarding Painter, he has much experience with it.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 15:42

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Already did. He's got a lot of experience. Also the main reason I have a mill deck in the works.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 16:01

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Oh i got the invite and accepted it, did it work your end?

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 16:17

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I'll check when I can re install and update it.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 16:24

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I sent you a message to see if it worked!

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 16:33

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Gothy, please correct me if my counting was wrong but there are twenty decks on the hot page, adding up to sixty decks on each page. I don't think that seven or eight is not that much to me, though I guess that "a lot" is a subjective term.

Pushkin, 90% of the time I'm making my own decks and most of the other times I'm searching for specific decks because I don't want to see other deck builder's version or I'm too lazy to make my own. I usually give likes to decks that I see even if I don't think I would play them if I could. As for comments, I do that too. But not as much as likes since most a lot of people probably know what there doing more than I do.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 23:26

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Its more other decks being ignored, its frustrating when quality decks don't get attention when they really should, and again its more the issue of quality than budget

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 07:29

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Again, that requires skill. Not just to make a quality deck - also to recognize quality! That's especially true with casual decks because there, difference in quality is more subtle and heavily depending on the meta. Competitive decks are dependant on the meta, too, of course, but the only concern there is winning. In casual, however, the meta means more, it's also about play styles and deck building philosophies, alternate formats, *multiplayer* (which is VASTLY different from 1-on-1s!), house rules (for example my group keeps mana burn) and general approach to what "casual" actually means.
For example I oftentimes criticize casual decks on MTGVault for not running any artifact/enchantment removal. But that's not only a question of the actual meta (if everyone plays simple tribal decks you can probably get away with it), it's also a question of playstyles and knowledge. A sophisticated, well-built multiplayer deck looks vastly different from regular ones. They are more reactive, defensive, resource conserving. But that also means slower. If you throw a single aggro deck into that environment, it will get nowhere. But, vice versa, if you take such a "true" multiplayer deck and play it in a group of "primitive" decks, it might get slaughtered too: All those "lesser" decks are aggressive, resource wasting killing machines that don't care for card economy. If you are the only control player between 4 ravaging lunatics, you'll get stomped over.

Befor I start rambling again I'll kust leave it to this: You need to have a very keen eye, vast knowledge of cards and deckbuilding skills to be able to acknowledge the quality of a goof deck, *especially* if it is a casual deck. The average player/lacks those.

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 07:57

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The problem is with the site itself. If they program the hot list better it wouldn't be an issue. One deck per person on the hot list, certain amount of deck types on there so everyone can have something that interests them to have a chance. Lastly its the just over abundance of decks you can post. the site could stop a lot of the spam and that's why i really only use it as a deck/idea tracker and go to the hot list sometimes for a laugh. If my decks make it there whatever but sometimes it's almost annoying because people don't read and just suggest random crap.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 19:38

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I prefer the way Tapped Out does it, or simply make the new page the top page instead of the hot page

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 07:36

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 19:39

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And lets not forget the deactiavted forums. If they were up and running, people wouldn't need to use freaking decks in order to post articles and farewells.

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 20:48

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Well for my farewell, look at the deck, its a work of art! Top 32 at an open played by my man crush Monday Tom Ross xD

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Posted 08 July 2015 at 21:40

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I feel you man. No offense to people like northy but the amount of budget decks had gotten ridiculous. I miss actually seeing truly great decks that aren't limited but aren't expensive getting attention

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 03:40

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Well that's why I chose to cut this out from my magic life rather than SCG and that's a real shame to me but maybe in a few months or a year when i return, it will be ok

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 07:35

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The budget decks have been pissing me off for quite some time now, ironic cuz i make them myself but what I really hate is that casual is being misinterpreted as budget. Casual and budget are 2 VERY different things yet people seem to think of them as if they were the same thing which they are not. And as you said in one of your earlier brainstorming articles: most of the budget decks on this site would get rekt by the intro packs.

I think I stand in the middle between competitive and budget with most of my budget decks.
http://www.mtgvault.com/theswarmer/decks/budget-white-weenie/
http://www.mtgvault.com/theswarmer/decks/budget-mono-red-control-2/
http://www.mtgvault.com/theswarmer/decks/budget-black-discard/
http://www.mtgvault.com/theswarmer/decks/budget-modern-affinity/

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 09:53

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Exactly. I play casual magic because I can have fun, but my "budget" might be getting good cards for a deck slowly over time because of the cost of the card. Like I have a mono black vampire deck that costs about $150 in cards, but I didn't just outright but it all. I have a casual green white wurm deck that is actually so good at what it does that it could actually stand a chance in competitive play if it weren't for the multiple copies of fastbond in it that allow it to work (although I am testing it with exploration to see if that would also work). That deck costs over $250 (land mainly). Budget doesn't have to mean the whole deck costs under a certain amount, it could easily mean you just aren't running a full set of snapcaster mage or lilliana of the veil because you can't afford that kind of pricing, but that$5 all is dust is doable for sure

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Posted 09 July 2015 at 18:38

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Exactly my point, you don't need to outright buy it all, I certainly don't! You can also trade for certain cards

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 08:51

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Indeed you can. And seriously all is dust is like $5 right now. I snatched up a full set earlier today

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 10:08

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And if those certain cards are universally useful but kindof-cheap ones like Eternal Witness, Beacon of Unrest, Lightning Bolt , Vampire Nighthawk, Qasali Pridemage etc. then you can't possibly do anything wrong. You'll be able to use and reuse them again and again. Even if Lightning Bolt get reprinted again and lose some vakue, you will still have one of the best direct damage spells ever printed which will always be useful.

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 10:23

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And from there, you could put them into a Tron list, and oh look, you've started Modern tron and can slowly build it over time!

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 12:43

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AND slowly building and improving a deck actually helps you understanding WHY some cards are better than others. Whereas when you stay budget or when you straight out buy the best deck, you'll never learn much.

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 12:48

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Yes for sure, and its going to be even more fun with origins round the corner! And OMG LOOK AT THE CLASH PACKS :D

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 14:25

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Dude the foils alone are worth the pack!

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 03:46

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And then you get a fetch land, like what even?!

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 06:31

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I guess wizards really is trying to get prices down on stuff. I'm holding out for reprints of the original zendikar fetch lands now! They already reprinted all the pain lands and did the onslaught fetch lands in tarkir, so that would be perfect for BoZ!!

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 07:06

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"I guess wizards really is trying to get prices down on stuff."
ROFL, Wizards is making grand money by reprinting older cards that are pricy on the secondary market, especially when putting them in irregular sets like Modern Masters, From the Vault, Conspiracy etc. They are literally printing money now. "We are releasing this special set to make those cards that are in such a high demand affordable for you guys" is just a very VERY convenient excuse for Wizards. Don't eat it up like that - all those special sets and reprints are a gigantic cash grab that currently happens with big impact on the game. While it does vitalizes formats like Modern and EDH it does long term damage to collectors and anyone that has already invested in those cards.

Personally I have no trust anymore in Wizards and their card policy. I will never again invest in any cards that cost more than 20 dollars and am very hesitant to buy any product at all because I realized that they are now at a point where they reprint at whim whatever they want. And it's not just the expensive cards. Sets like Modern Masters also include lots of cards that weren't that pricy at all but at least worth a few more than the 10 cents you get for an average card. But they all got reprinted, too, oftentimes in the common or uncommon slot. So, what actually happens: The release Modern Masters with another reprint of Tarmogoyf (a card that is essential for Modern and Legacy), a card that should have ended up banned. A card that drives up sales. But because it's so essential, the price really doesn't drop besides the reprint, so the intended goal isn't reached. Then there are all those former staples around 15 dollars that do lose in value. But alongside those, as some sort of collateral damage, the market is flooded with Cathodians, Darksteel Citadels, Electrolyzes, Expedition Maps and whatnot, preventing those cards to ever get any track. Because for each Tarmogoyf to enter circulation, dozens of packs have to be opened which contain hundreds of Cs and Us.

This is nice for someone that just began with this wonderful hobby but horrible for anyone that has been a loyal customer for years. I started collecting in 1994 and for about 15 years I was not worried about buying cards, be it singles or displays, because I always knew that -as long as I don't make idiotic trades- I will always be able to make my money back if I sold parts of my collection. Which is an important thing. Not because I like to speculate, it's important because that means some kind of insurance. There were times where I was short on money. Without that reassurance I could not have spent that much money on Magic. And indeed there was a time where selling a few cards helped me out paying the rent. But now? Now, whether I buy singles or packs, the situation is like this: Most of the cards will never crosse the 10 cent mark, the few cards that are worth a few dollars will drop in value as soon as they leave Standard and the even fewer cards that might get traction later on and become expensive will get reprinted as soon as they get pricey. I fully expect Snapcaster Mage to be reprinted at the next opportunity for example, which is why I sold mine off, even though I am not in need of money right now. I am just very unsettled and uncomfortable with the current situation and I am not alone with this.

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 09:28

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yes i understand that its a cash grab in the end, but it does enable people to get cards that are normally so expensive for a better price and possibly even entice new players to attend events or tournaments. for example, i just managed to get my hands on a full set of All is Dust for about $20, as opposed to about $80, simply because it got reprinted in MM15. as a player, i like being able to get cards that are useful and good, but often those cards are beyond my reach. goyf and snapcaster are great examples of this. i would love to have a full set of both, but unless they see reprints, the chances of that happening are slim. i already have two decks that would greatly benefit from these two cards, one of which i built and have tested extensively for competitive play (Modern WU Control. it has made even the almighty RG Tron its personal bitch). snapcaster would easily make the deck several times better. as for goyf, i really dont run zoo, which is what he sees the most play in if i remember correctly, but having a set sounds fun. i like to make super janky casual decks and im sure i could find a way to exploit his ability easily, but i dont have any because even after getting reprinted twice he still costs over $150 per card.

so to recap: yes i know its a cash grab, yes i know trying to pick out the next big thing and getting it before its a hot commodity is a royal pain in the wallet (while not losing money on standard bombs that fizzle post rotation), and yes i know the pain of the luck of the draw from boosters and the sheer amount of commons and uncommons and junk rares you get while treasure hunting. i may not have been playing since the alpha and beta timeframe, but im also not so stupid that i dont see what wizards is really doing, and if they really wanted to reprint anything just so they could get more money out of it, then why havent they done a limited run of cards from legacy that make or break a good legacy deck? because they do still value the collector, otherwise they would've just reprinted the moxen and the black lotus already.

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 13:03

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I think reprints are awesome, especially in the limited sets (MM2 for example) because they allow access to other formats for newer players and get more people playing, which is what I believe wizards should be doing, getting as many people playing as possible. They do have a restricted list for a reason, and I think that is correct, not only does it mitigate power but it allows some cards a certain reverence and the price tag that goes with it, frankly, we can't all have been playing since Alpha but reprinting cards good because it not only allows the newer generation to play with certain crazy good cards (looking at you Goblin Piledriver) but also puts down the price which allows people to put the deck they've dreamed about together, rather than sit in someone's binder for fear of knocking the price down if they are played.

The actual point being made is that the clash pack is awesome and really value for money, it sets you up to build a powerful deck, but to make it fully top tier abzan, that's gonna cost you, but hey you get a quality deck and in the long run wizards recoup their losses- everybody wins.

Gonna call it now and say no Zendikar fetches, it would be nice yes, especially when they are pushing modern, but Zendikar wasn't from the late 90s or early 2000s like other reprints, like odyssey fetches, but was reasonably recent, I hope they reprint Mindsculpter (they won't) just to change the art so that it doesn't say "cunt".

And really if collectors have been sitting on their cards since the 90s, and they aren't in dire circumstances, then they can wait a few years for the prices of fetchlands, for example, to go back up, which is probably the plan of most of us collecting the Khans ones.

The reason I really like the sealed product is the beginner support it gives, I love the way it gives them a solid deck but also an incentive to improve it by getting more than 1 ofs. This clash pack is one of the rare times where it doesn't rip you off badly

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 18:59

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Well I must say after reading everything previously I have many mixed emotions.
I'm not pleased to see you leave (for now) but I completely understand your reasoning, especially since a stressful education period in your life is upon you.
I do agree that the Vault is to focused on "budget" decks as opposed to what any given player wants to do. Meaning if anyone on the site has a great idea with the appropriate merit to back it, then that should make the "Hot Page" so experienced players can give helpful advise to push it over the edge, budget or not.
Budget or non-budget is not really a thing for me. At heart I'm a competitive person in all aspects of my life, MTG included. I'm aware you can make competitive decks on a budget but really the budget doesn't even come to mind during my deck constructions, until I'm finished building what I WANT using the core fundamentals of deck building. After that I take into reason what is viable now and then I can build towards the final goal. Which I will add has always changed before it become.
A few of my decks have crossed the hot page and yes, of course it feels good to be recognized and know that others have enjoyed something you've created. That however is not why any of the decks were made to be. They were made to be B/C I have an addiction. (Yes I said it, don't tell my wife I admitted it). Not only to the social aspect of playing a game with friends but to card synergies and the seemingly endless number of interactions that can be created. Which is exactly why MTG is the perfect outlet for my slightly OCD personality.
Not sure if any of that was exactly relevant but I felt your time here was deserving of at least a few words.
Until we deck tech again, Ciao. And happy casting.

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 22:02

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I will also add that I feel very fortunate to have a great play group of 6 or so friends which are for the most part competitive casually. Meaning we follow the banned restricted rules of vintage but allow no proxies or sideboards, if any of us play power 9 cards it's not a huge deal since the best out of 3 is usually over fairly quick and we just move on to another deck.
In addition to a great group of friends, I'm located in Ottawa which has a huge player base with more then enough store all competing and working together to provide an amazing local meta. Almost any night of the week you could play standard or modern competitively or find a casual game of EDH or drafts happening.

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Posted 10 July 2015 at 22:23

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Well the first half was exactly relevant and what I keep on trying to put into words so thank you for that! It seems we are in the minority with the awesome LGS that is very supportive!

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 06:54

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Thank you soooo much gothy. I have been playing magic for 2 years and over those months of looking at your deck have given me to concept of magic and how to become a better player and friend to others in mtg community. All of my decks have been inspired by you and all I want to say is goodluck and the mtgvault community will miss you dearly.
-Goodluck and have a safe journey,Gothy
-MTGduke

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 01:03

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Cheers dude and good luck with origins, if you beat my 4-2 record I'll be back to haunt you ;)

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 18:59

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hahaha thx :)

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 20:47

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hahaha thx :)

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Posted 11 July 2015 at 20:47

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I'm doing a 2hg for origins tomorrow. Wish me luck...

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Posted 12 July 2015 at 04:07

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oh ok i check it out :)

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Posted 12 July 2015 at 14:48

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I came 2nd in my 2HG

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Posted 13 July 2015 at 11:51

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Nice. My partner (somewhat new to mtg) and I didn't do as well as we hoped 2-2. My other friends went 3-1 made top 4 then lost. However, I won the high for randoms and got myself a new playmat.

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Posted 13 July 2015 at 14:34

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Funnily enough it was my friend's first pre-release and second tournament ever so I was very proud of him, especially since we pulled the best team in game 1, and he basically carried when i got screwed on blue

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Posted 13 July 2015 at 19:56

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I played gruul, my partner played orzhov. Round 1 I ended up playing mono green. We ended up loosing in time. Round 2 I ended up top decking 1 of 4 lands left in the deck when anything else would have won us that game. Ended up winning games 3-4.

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Posted 13 July 2015 at 22:08

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I played U/W my partner played mono red, Origins is all about the tempo because of the lightness on removal and card draw IMO

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Posted 14 July 2015 at 06:57

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I just recently came back to the vault (a week ago or so) and I must agree what you have stated about the nature of this site now. Back in the day when I last used it actively (probably 5+ years ago, it was when there were still deck building contests in the forums), the creative juices were flowing a lot better back then than they are now. I did a little experiment myself. I posted my Legacy land destruction deck, fully equiped with duals, sinkholes, fetches and top tier cards in general. It got 0 attention, then I rummaged through my casual budget decks (decks I use when I play with people new to magic, I frequent both tournaments and noobs), which I designed to be powerful synergistic decks for a very affordable price, decks that with a few updates to the mana base and a some other updates and/or changes would leave me no worries to take for a fun spin at a modern FNM. Both of those decks got some attention, so it confirms your theory a bit at least.

So I am back for now, don't know how long, but I think I would rather give critism than put decks up for critique here, since what this site needs is not an abundance of decks, but rather more people knowing their stuff taking their time to help explaining card choices and strategy to people. Which is a reason why it is bad that you leave, but understandable. For the sake of your fellow vaultiers, you should maybe check back once in a while and leave some pointers on some of the decks that catches your interrest in the "New" section. You don't have to post decks in order to use the vault.

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Posted 13 July 2015 at 20:20

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That's actually a really nice idea, I'll certainly try

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Posted 14 July 2015 at 06:56

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"what this site needs is not an abundance of decks, but rather more people knowing their stuff taking their time to help explaining card choices and strategy to people"

Well, I did that some time ago. I had a "deck" here that was basically a Forumsthread where people could drop a line when they need help. I would then inspect their deck and give advice with lots of explanations for each card choice. I was quite busy for a while. But you know what? That "Deck" where you could ask for helkp had more than 2500 views and several hundreds of comments which means at least 50 people I helped out with. But it got just SIXTEEN likes! Most of them didn't even bother to like the comment with the actual help. Now, I don't crave for likes, but this shows the attitude of many people here.
Moreover, with the exception of a few souls, nobody ever thought of returning the favour to me. Most of decks go by unnoticed, no matter how well thought through and casual they are, even the budget-ish ones get ignored. THis weekend I posted this one here http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/faustus/ which got a mere 8 views ... VIEWS! It's like nobody ever tag-searches or checks any list other than that darn "hot" page. Tell me what's wrong with that deck: It it is fun, it is unusual, it is casual and for most parts it uses cheap cards (make some easy adjustments like replacing the Chromatic Stars with Chromatic Sphere and the only expensive card is the one that deck is basing around. It brims with synergies and little funny combos. But something likes this doesn't fly here. IF it gets any views now (or comments even) then that's only because I plugged it here on this deck that is already on the hot page. Which isn't even a deck. This is stupid.

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Posted 03 August 2015 at 18:17

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an admin should rotate what page is up when you open the site, why not "new" one week, "Unloved" the next week, and "hot" the week after?

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Posted 03 August 2015 at 20:49

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Yes, that's what I would do as well and I would have suggested that in the forums if they weren't defunct for about what, 2 years now?

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Posted 03 August 2015 at 20:58

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Gothy sorry to hear you are leaving I appreciate all the pointers you have given me in the past! Concentrate on getting through school and the vault will be here when you finish. I defiantly feel you on the decks that get love and the ones that don't, I think I have interesting concepts and a lot of the decks I post I actually own but I still try to help when I can and do my part to be involved in the site but what can you do.

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Posted 14 July 2015 at 13:29

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well this deck broken

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Posted 17 July 2015 at 16:55

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http://www.mtgvault.com/gothy/decks/brainstorming-another-thing/ One more for luck

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Posted 19 July 2015 at 11:02

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Hey man, I already commented a few times here. I was wondering if, before you left, you could take a look at my loam pox deck?
http://www.mtgvault.com/tleung84633/decks/houston-we-have-a-problem/
It certainly doesn't fit here on the vault cause it's OVER-budget but I would appreciate your advice/tips. Thanks!

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Posted 22 July 2015 at 16:12

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WOW.. I really thought this place was for people who enjoyed the game, and could meet and kick around ideas. And get helpful insight into building new decks.

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Posted 01 September 2015 at 06:04

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Not sure who or what group you are trying to insult on here. there are small groups on here for every type of magic players, I suggest you go find yours.

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Posted 01 September 2015 at 15:57

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^ And please don't label the WHOLE vault as just a budget community. there are a good 15-20 of us who are active posters who actually play competitive magic

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Posted 01 September 2015 at 16:00

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WOW.. I really thought this place was for people who enjoyed the game, and could meet and kick around ideas. And get helpful insight into building new decks.

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Posted 01 September 2015 at 06:04

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Well, I just read through all the comments, & I have to admit, I would probably never publish a deck here. Just to see what would happen, I did so once, & that was enough...w/i minutes of the deck being posted, it had something like 2 dozen views, which would NEVER happen on the site I do publish on...there, it generally takes at least a few days to get that many. It really kind of felt like being swarmed over by a school of piranha...& completely non-selective piranha, at that. But as a # of people have mentioned...NO love. Never mind being liked, I would've just liked to have heard some comments. Also, it doesn't take long to see the lay of the land here. As others have said, the cost of a card, or a playset of cards, is irrelevant to me if I know a deck has to have them...& I'm certainly not of unlimited means (which I suppose makes me lucky that 'Goyf holds no fascination for me). I either get creative, or I budget, & sooner later, I have all my deck needs (most of my decks, on paper, run between $250-400, but I never actually ended-up paying that much). More than anything, I agree that there's way too many decks that don't get the love they deserve on this site. The pages I routinely visit are Modern, New, Fun, Crazy Idea, Unloved...& some more focused lists. The only reason I really visit the Hot Page is to see if there's any Hot Debates raging. I'll likely keep coming here, but I'm choosing to limit my presence to what I would term a supportive role. There are a lot of diamonds in the dust, if you take the time to find them; & as for the rest, well, in time, maybe they'll catch on. We were all noobs at some point...& the object of the game, in the final analysis, is FUN. (Gothy, I never knew you, & it's been long enough that you won't see this post...but I do intend to go search your other articles. Winning or not, you're a Master of the Game.)

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 11:30

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Man...you... that's exactly how I feel. Budget shouldn't matter so much. I have 8 deck that I've built over the course of many years, all of which as you said range from 250-400 but that wasn't what I actually paid. I'd rather have a few very good decks than a bunch of mediocre ones. Please tell me what site you actually publish on, I'd love to find a new home.

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 12:40

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There are a core of us on here who want good decks, I promise. If you post under one of my decks or comments ill check out whatever you want. I do tend to lean towards the competitive tournament scene, but ill do whatever I can. I love the sites layout and build, but I hate this attitude of "who can make the cheapest deck, regardless of if its even playable"

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 14:02

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I should interject here that you don't get any feedback whatsoever on the site I use, & if you aren't building Modern, a lot of people won't even look at your deck, unless it's rotation-time in Standard. But from everything I've seen & read on this site, there looms the possibility of a network-w/i-a-network (or a community-w/i-a-community, if you prefer). The feedback one has the potential to receive is what makes this site valuable; it's current downfall is that that potential too often isn't realized. But if various people made a commitment to do that - to view each other's decks, & give positive input, as dictated - that problem could be resolved. I know there're other people thinking the same way, so what of it? You've both been active on this site FAR longer than me; either or both of you could bring this together. Assume a leadership role, & it could be to EVERYONE'S benefit...even those who don't know it yet.

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 14:29

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Good points by all three and like Zaklax said there are competitive players not interested in look what I can do with $15 because if you brought that deck to my house you would get crushed by any one of my tier decks. I think what needs to happen is the core of people looking to take their game level up need to band together to help each other out. After trying all the site this one has the best layout and there are some talented brewers that come here. Umoonpuca Ill check out what you have and see if I can help.

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 14:38

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I'll hold you to that in the future (at the moment, I'm not publishing here, for a variety of reasons). I'll likewise commit to doing the same for all 3 of you, & anyone else who's ready to commit to doing the same.

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 14:55

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thanks! stick together on the anti-budget!

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 17:26

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Yeah, maybe not so much...I've just spent the last hour or so getting trolled for going to bat for someone else's idea. I went from 9 reputation to -10 at the speed of flash. I'll probably pop-in for the sake of you guys & other like-minded souls, but for the moment, I'm outta here.

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 17:41

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 17:42

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Meh ill keep doing what I do, like things I like, and help where I see something better or if someone needs help. I think if more people did that then it would be a better place. I personally like looking at stuff at work gotta burn some time when I can lol.

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 17:54

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ill continue to give advice, even if it isntr a mainstream idea. formats don't get better by staying stale

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 18:05

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 18:06

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Although I'm not always on..., I'm here, lurking in the shadows.

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 18:07

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 18:07

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We will all unite in non-budget! My first step in doing this is with a deck I want to make a reality quite badly...anyone is welcome in checking this out!

Forewarning - this deck is ONLY VINTAGE LEGAL and uses NO vintage cards.

http://www.mtgvault.com/granflux/decks/hazardous-material/

Also all you guys are awesome!

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 22:41

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GDOO, no, because my points were correct. I didn't pull any of the stats I referred to out of hat; you can look them up (& burn, as I'm sure you know, simply refers to direct damage, to a creature OR a player). The reason I got trolled - by you, no doubt, as well as little jay-bird & at least 1 other can think of - is because I called the latter out on his cock-of-the-walk attitude toward someone else's idea. If you think it's all fine & well for someone to come strutting in, w/ their little chest puffed out, blowing their little tin horn, for no other purpose than to shoot someone else down, I certainly can't change that. But that kind of conduct, imho, is the exact polar opposite of what anyone needs or wants in a forum like this. Even having been here for a very short time, I've seen you do good mentoring...about 50% of the time. I've seen other good mentoring as well. That doesn't expunge the boorishness of the huffing little jay-birds. The fact of the matter is, having taken a moment to reflect on it, I could give a flying rat's ass if I get down-voted to China, so long I'm square w/ what I've said & why I said it. I admit, I take umbrage easily when I perceive someone as being preyed upon, & my perceptions may not always be correct. But w/ all due respect - please read that twice for emphasis - little jay-bird's intentions were quite clear: shoot someone down to puff himself up. I find it ironic in the extreme that he referred to me as a troll, when his was the behavior that exemplified one.

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 19:56

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Not trying to be a dick here, but you absolutely gave no regard to what Umoonpuca was actually saying; moreover, you barely made any sense at all...

Umoonpuca, keep fighting the good fight mate. We select few who actually appreciate the game care not for recognition or verification. Rather we enjoy the art of the build and the strong community which stands behind it with constructive reinforcement.

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 22:50

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This futon has way to many people who add no constructive comments. And trolls, lots of trolls

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Posted 03 September 2015 at 23:46

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Zaklax, you're too great.

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Posted 04 September 2015 at 00:55

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Yeah, you both are.

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Posted 04 September 2015 at 01:40

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I'm just trying to keep the site alive. There seems to be about 30 budget guys, and 8 modern-legacy guys, who actually post on other members decks with comments. Everyone else just posts there decks and doesn't give back to the community.

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Posted 04 September 2015 at 08:20

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That's because the only decks that seem to get love any more are the budget decks that northy does. I appreciate him, even though the site has become budget crazy, because he is good at what he does. Hardly anyone else from a year or two ago even is active any more it seems. Hell I used to come here several times a day, now I visit maybe once a week. It's rare that a deck gets any good feedback, and most of the time if there is a comment is either the deck owner asking for feedback or some troll that doesn't know the difference between preordain and serum visions. I actually want feedback on a few of my decks that I'm building for tournament play, but they never get any love. The last comment I got on one of said decks was literally so retarded that I smacked my head on my wall to try and forget it. This site is a shadow of what it used to be, and it's sad

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Posted 05 September 2015 at 00:59

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Northy has actually been lazy for a long time, his decks aren't that good anymore (maybe after incorporating suggestions made by others).

I basically stopped posting and commenting, too, because there is just no reward for it. To everybody here reading this: If you want deckhelp, just post something in one of my decks. My field of expertise is sophisticated casual play, though. I might still be of lesser value regarding tournament decks but it has been way too many years that I played one myself. Just don't bother me with Type II :)

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Posted 08 September 2015 at 18:31

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I hear that. I'm a primarily casual player with little experience in the pro scene. Standard is a money sucker, so I prefer modern and legacy. I'll reply to stuff on my decks but I'm not really into trying to rate decks anymore. I will go look at a deck if you post about it on my stuff, but only if you give me a little critique in return. I don't appreciate comments just fishing for views

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Posted 09 September 2015 at 05:00

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I'm glad to see you two still active on here!

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Posted 09 September 2015 at 13:48

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I'm not AS active, but I'm still kind of active. Currently testing one of my more interesting deck designs. http://www.mtgvault.com/drakeraenes/decks/crazy-8s/
So far it's working good. Waste not really breaks the deck

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Posted 09 September 2015 at 18:59

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I Must Agree With All Of You .

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Posted 10 September 2015 at 15:51

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I currently have time issues but I will cook something up this weekend to connect us all. Just a handful of people with the same mind are enough to get our own thing rolling. Stay tuned.

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Posted 12 September 2015 at 11:26

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How about a joint account? Just in the meantime.

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Posted 12 September 2015 at 13:12

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Hive mind account...we would have to be the sliver legion!

Puschkin, you got me in for whatever you're doing!

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Posted 12 September 2015 at 15:08

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Yeah me too, If you think so. Sliver lol

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Posted 12 September 2015 at 19:42

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*ahem* ...This

http://www.mtgvault.com/drakeraenes/decks/the-collective/

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Posted 13 September 2015 at 03:32

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I did my work, now it's your turn. Starting now to send invitations.

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Posted 13 September 2015 at 13:07

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Posted 17 October 2015 at 10:21

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