Every Day You're Shufflin'!!!

YES!!! I might just have to get those!

i actually was heavily considering both of them. i run a U/B exile deck that my friends absolutely HATED. i would often use a turn 1 extract and it used to piss them off so much.

yeah, extract is powerful...

that is quite possibly the greatest understatement in magic. take into account what i said the first time i played my exile deck, "Island, tap, Extract, HAND ME YOUR DECK!" Now not only do i get to look through your entire library and see how its works, but i get to remove a key piece from this well designed machine your opponent calls a deck. now i know exactly what to get rid of with my later card removal. Extract is BROKEN BEYOND MEASURE!!!

If you're looking at card advantage, it is one card against one card.
But I guess looking through your opponent's deck on turn one is ridiculous. Especially if it is game 1.
You know exactly what to sideboard and exactly what to expect while your opponent is still trying to figure out your deck.
Yes, I agree it is super powerful... but broken beyond measure? hmmm. maybe just broken...

lol i only say that because of the deck of mine that it is in

http://www.mtgvault.com/drakeraenes/decks/death-by-exile/

this deck is the most hated deck i use, and that is bad considering some of the other decks i run more often like my infect deck

looked at all of them too. i may just toss them in the SB later on

Was thinking the same thing. If someone happened to cancel the first Psychogenic Probe and then extirpate, Surgical extract it, Lobotomize it or any other means of exiling all copies your pretty much up shit creek.

fair point, but i wasnt ever planning to play this outside of casual. its not cohesive enough to survive an actual tournament style game. plus of all my friends, im the only one who actually uses those cards. and the decks i have that use them are NASTY!!
http://www.mtgvault.com/drakeraenes/decks/esper-ultimate-control/
http://www.mtgvault.com/drakeraenes/decks/death-by-exile/

I'm guessing make the opponent rage quit.

Cosi's Trickster or Psychogenic Probe.

^ exactly. the man knows his magic

thanks! im just glad i made the front page for once

i have ashes in there because a lot of my frineds use nonbasic land, specifically shockland. it basically a giant middle finger for late game shenanigans

i looked your deck over and i cringed a little. its too sporadic. the chances of getting the things you need are slim, and why on earth do you have one-offs? they arent even that good for lategame.

Whoa there friend, I did not ask for advice on my deck. I also do not think it is kind of you to say that you cringed.

My entire purpose for offering you my deck is to pick out what you like. I understand it is not the greatest, nor do I mean for it to be. There are simply a couple cards in there that I think would be to your benefit.

I do respect your criticism however and if I ever feel like fixing it up I will take you up on the advice.
With all that being said, I hope that you at least found some fun cards in there. (truth be told, those one offs are simply because I enjoy the idea of jesters)

i wasnt hating on jester's cap. its a great card. its just that when i make a deck i look at EVERY card that deals with what i aim to accomplish. in this case it was "shuffle", so i looked at every card that has the word shuffle in it. from there i select cards that i think would go well together without it being too lopsided in the mana curve. i usually start a deck out with anywhere from 150 to 300 singles and then slowly chip away the less useful things. basically that means that i looked at every card in your deck already while making mine and decided they werent worth it for whatever reason. sometimes it is the CMC, other times it is the actual money price. most often it is the effect of the card itself in conjunction with the rest of the deck.

also, i meant no disrespect by saying i cringed. i just dont often see 1-offs in a casual deck like this where combo-ing off is everything. yeah the cards themselves are good for what they do, no doubt there, but with everything else already in there it just seems to spread out to me. i only offer advice when i think it might be useful or direly needed in the case of a bad deck. your deck IS NOT bad, it just could be a bit smoother is all. it looks like it runs fine from what i saw so if it ain't broke, dont fix it. i just thought you might want to know what i thought briefly. plus if i really thought it was so horrendous, i wouldve suggested replacements for stuff, but i didnt, now did i? ;)

I do the very same when looking for ideas, or at least most. My apologies for being overly sensitive. In any case, it is always nice to see a shuffle deck get into the top spot.

Good show, friend

its all good. im just thrilled one of my 80 something decks finally made the front page lol

Made a shuffling deck too, check it out my friends told me i needed a theme deck and saw this , so i added white for something different
http://www.mtgvault.com/dragon77/decks/shuffle-why-not/

you seriously trolled my deck with that? its so haphazard its painful to look at

I wanted to see how a splash of life gain would work, for more then one opponent , cause in either deck shuffling there life loss to the deck builder as well , could of been postive and says white slow it down, but you could do this for example or if i want white to do this , i didnt really troll a added white for something different. Red blue is strong but i thought if it was a four player game then white may help !

you didnt make the deck any better in any way. the only thing you did was upset the balance of a decent deck design by adding in a color that in NO WAY WHATSOEVER helps the original concept. none of the white cards you added will help you shuffle, and you even replaced the better cards in this deck with worse options.

also, why would you even want to attempt to use this in a casual 4 player game? you would basically be no threat until you got out probe, and then it would only be a few turns before you are killed. you took a fun deck and made it a lame excuse of a knockoff.

it was a challenge i was given , if you see some of my other decks there unique, i like turn some around for a twist, do you ever run into trouble with life total ? Your is better one on one, i was going for a multi twist it may suck, but i think it may work ! Please hear me out and maybe offer constructive criticism. Not attacking me

i have a better challenge: take a deck you see, like mine, and make it flow better. your challenge sounds fine to me, but you took my deck and just added lifegain to it. try taking a bit of a further look into what you can actually do and make it work better for you. for example, why not consider Oblation, Path to Exile, Prophecy, Scour, or Visions? White cards that make opponents shuffle shuffle, and some damn good ones in a few cases.

You want some constructive criticism? Here you go: simply adding a color and a single extra aspect wont make a deck work any better. it has to mesh, otherwise it will be too haphazard to function properly. try swapping in a few of the cards i listed above and your idea to splash in some white wont look like such a terrible revision of a decent deck.

And how is your life total usally unless your playing a burn ?

usually not an issue. even in the case of burn, unless you are staring down lightning bolt after lightning bolt, no burn deck can kill me before i can get a decent setup. plus if burn became too big of an issue, i could always splash black instead of white so i can add in things like Slaughter Games, Memoricide, Extirpate, Surgical Extraction, etc.

no deck can account for everything it may go up against. burn is only one deck archetype, and it is very hard to get it just right. sitting there and screaming "but you need life" wont change a thing

how is that any better than using soldier of fortune?

Its an artifact that way. Totally makes up for extra mana. Same way searing spear has flavor text and is thus better than lightning bolt.

im investing wisely in both money and mana by not using isochron. it would cost me 2 as opposed to only 1 with soldier of fortune

switch it out for extract?

i have it in here for people that like to use fetch cards like cultivate and such. you would be amazed at how many people dont realize that they shuffle their own deck quite a bit, especially if you play legacy

okay, that makes sense.

Yes, that makes sense,, but the thing is it takes up a card slot for a card that could be used to make them shuffle their deck. also if that is out they just wont play their shuffle cards. maybe that shadowmoor red land that can make people shuffle if you control 2 red permenants.

Type your deck name...Madblind Mountain makes ME shuffle, so it wouldnt work. Best thing i have to that effect is Soldier of Fortune

well im drinking my bad for mis-remembering. did you get the sleeves yet?

not yet. once im done piecing this deck together i will get the sleeves. until then i will just use penny sleeves. currently though, finishing this deck is on the backburner until i finish my most recent deck. it gives me goosebumps to think about how evil it is. check it out
http://www.mtgvault.com/drakeraenes/decks/pay-in-blood/