no , you aree right and i´m wrong ^^ . see this http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/25694133/upkeep?sdb=1&pg=last#463196769
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"At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep" , so as the mists .... :S :S. Then if both starts "At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep" , can´t i decide the order ? ?. i mean in the stack can´t be 2 habilities at "the same level, the same floor" or yes ? (see what i mean with the same level/floor?, at the same time ... )
thank you, i´ve just resolved the question thank you =) .
not 5 cards , 5 lifes sorry ^^
hmmm i think i´m right , see this http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules/MagicCompRules_20100716.pdf read rule 603.3b and then ... the active player (the one who is not playing with the discard deck) starts its upkeep, he has no "upkeep effects" cards that he controls, the priority is now for me (discard deck) i say that first i put in the stack the quest and after the mists, i finish, the satck resolves , first de mists (he now has 0 cards) and after the quest , he looses 5 cards) , end of the upkeep right , isn´t it ?
i think i´ve lost myself .... i mean imagine you (the discard deck guy) end your turn, and your opponent has 1 card. his turn begins, untap phase, upkeep ( the mist force him to discard, he has 0 cards , and the quest skill runs and he lost 5 lifes, then the upkeep finish) draw step (he draws a card) and etc etc .... isn´t that way ?? , forgive me for my english i´m a spanish guy and my knowledge of the language is limited
:O i´ve just have a great idea , if i add Necrogen Mists, i will be able to miminize "the contralateral effect" of the mine, because I will force to discard a card, suffer the effect of the quest (if he had just 1 card) and then after the damage is done , he would draw 2 cards is that right ?? :S :S
hmm i have a question , if the opponent has 1 card and you have the quest of the nihil stone and the necrogen mists ..... the quest works ?? :S :S
:O i didn´t think about the vampire , you are right is cheaper , but vampire costs 3 manas and the mindtwist 1 .... and the money is "no problem" ( i mean yo can buy 4 mindtwist by Ebay for 10 - 12 $ the pack) and about the mine you are right , and perhaps i should put them out , i put because it help me as well , ( as long as there is just one in play, with 2 in play i can´t control the game), i mean when i have no cards in my hand it give me one extra per turn , and in magic you "win easily" if you draw as many cards as you can ^^, and with 19 discards cards ... it unlikely that i have no one in my hand drawing 2 per turn .
i put the mines in order to increase effect of the discard technique , i mean in turn 4 or 5 its supposed that the opponent has no cards, and liliana card will be not vey useful ... futhermore the effect of the Quest is during the upkeep which is before the draw step(that is when the mine effect happens) , when my turn begins (after his) i will draw 2 cards and i think i will be able to discard his cards, don´t you agree ?
hmm interesting deck, have you think about add Necrogen Mists ?? , i am impressed of blightning !
hmmm i don´t like it very much because it costs 5 manas ..... and in turn 5 the opponent has very few cards so it not as useful as it seems i think ....