Izzet really infinite damage (..

by DedWards on 07 December 2009

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Deck Description

I'm told that there's an infinite damage combo using Izzet Guildmage, Desperate Ritual and Lava Spike. But I don't see it. Can someone please explain it to me.

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  • Not Legal in Standard
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  • Not Legal in Vintage
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Deck discussion for Izzet really infinite damage (please comment)

1. Put Izzet Guildmage on the field.
2. Play Lava Spike and reveal Desperate Ritual for it's splice cost, adding the effects of Desperate Ritual onto Lava Spike. Now your Lava Spike adds 3 red mana to your mana pool.
3. Copy the Lava Spike with Izzet Guildmage. You get the 3 damage to target player and the 3 mana from splicing Desperate Ritual onto Lava Spike.
4. Use the 3 mana gained to copy the spell again. You get the mana every time you copy it, which is enough to copy it another time. Infinite loop.

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Posted 07 December 2009 at 07:44

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OK. I understand that, but you need to wait for the spike to resolve to get the 3 mana and the way I see it, spike resolving means it goes to the graveyard, meaning no spike to copy.

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Posted 07 December 2009 at 08:07

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you need 6 mana so that you can pay for the first copy while the original spell is still on the stack

once the first copy resolves but before the original does, you use the 3 mana from the first copy to pay for a second copy and so on.

if you had an extra Desperate Ritual in your hand you could cast it with the other one spliced allowing you to initiate the loop when you only have 4 mana.

also, if you had an extra 2 mana you can deal with up to one counterspell by playing the Desperate Ritual and getting the 3 mana for yet another copy, which lets you restart the loop.

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Posted 07 December 2009 at 09:17

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Yup. It all checks out.

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Posted 07 December 2009 at 09:33

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Thanks, it is all clear now

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Posted 07 December 2009 at 09:46

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although, technically speaking, infinity is a concept that cannot exist in any of our 11 dimensions, so its just an astronomically big number like a google

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Posted 07 December 2009 at 13:22

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