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suggestions welcomeIf you like then say so!! only constructive critics please.
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You have my like.I didn't even think of green in the place of blue.Having life's legacy along side sharpblast to blow up doom engines is insane.I would probably remove anger of the gods as it kills 3/5 of your creatures.I would also try to up the artifact count in your deck so that you can sharpnal blast more often+2x Hammer of purpherous will not only give you more artifacts, but you can sacrifice extra lands to produce more artifacts to blast away.+2x stoke the flames?
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I like the hammer idea for extra artifacts thank you and stoke the flames will be good spot removal!! I was originally going for red and blue but decided green would be more effective. also imagine a turn 4 doom engine or Shandalar. nasty stuff!!
you are making a lot of decks that I like
In red/blue you can cast engine on turn 3 with engineer, or on turn 4 with generator servant. meaning there are 2 ways you can attack with it on turn 4 which is sweet.my U/R list is:http://www.mtgvault.com/viagrasaurusrex/decks/running-with-scissors-2/Hammer just does everything you want really, I have seen sooo many lists over look how great it is in these decks. The 3/3 body is very relevant with life's legacy also.I feel Soul of Shandalar is one of the better souls as even if you cant attack with him he just brick walls was a 6/6 first strike that bolts their face/a creature each turn that you have nothing to do.
I was originally going for R/U but I like R/G better with the life's legacy and shandalar is def one of the better souls!
thank you abarbera
with engineer you still have to wait til turn 4 to attack as with my combo he has haste turn four.
With this deck, you can play Scuttling at turn 3 attacking. turn elvish mystic for 1 mana, turn/sacrifice generator servant for 2 mana and more 3 manas. It'll be a 6/6 attacking turn 3.
You can attack on turn 3 with the U/R lists also it just needs a lot of things to come together haha. It is a lot more possible with this deck as playing green should be.
Twinflame.... check it out. Epic synergy with this set up.
that's amazing! that may replace the hammers.
Burning Anger needs to be in this deck... just look into it...
I do like it. Def see if I can make a space for it.
It will just be able to take out the annoying creatures really well and give that creature unblock able You can replace two shrapnel blast or one lighting strike and one shrapnel blast seeing you only have 8 artifacts and dark steel citadel can't be destroyed.
cool deck you got
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Bacon42 he can sac darksteel to shrapnel blast.
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I think you need more artifacts with shrapnel blast, because you would have to sack a doom engine
He has 10 artifacts plus 21 lands he could sac if he has a hammer in play.
also doom engine is the best one to sac for the 6 damage to the face
It is the best, but if you sit there and hold a blast as a dead card theres no point in playing the card.. I doubles as creature removal. After all it can kill most problematic creatures in standard
the point is to sac doom....
You have 8 cards to sac doom engine to, you arent always going to have a doom engine. sometimes you need to sac other artifacts to blast...All I am saying is you don't just hold onto shrapnel blast until you have a doom engine.Personally I would rather Sac it to Life's legacy draw 6 cards and Do 6 to their face.
thats why you have dark steel citadels and golems to sac for the shrapnel blasts, and the soul of shandalar and golems for the life's legacy in order to draw into scutling doom engine
Playing red and green you could also feed the Shrapnel Blast into a Hornets Nest putting out five 1/1 flying deathtouchers.
oh fail on me
sacking doom is good and all but that cant be the only focus of the deck therefor shandalar comes into play as well.
I like it! Here's a couple suggestions, see if you think they'd work for your deck.I'd consider, Bow of Nylea; more artifacts to sac, pretty versatile.Maybe Trading Post; seems it would have good synergy with this deck.In SB, I'd have Destructive Revelry over Fade into Antiquity; I'm thinking avoid "Exile" just so you can cast on your own Doom Engine.Finally, how about Signal the Clans, to fetch Shandalar or the Doom Engine?
I really liked your idea, so I played with it some more, here's what I came up with...http://www.mtgvault.com/panik8/decks/kurkeshs-doom-engine/
Very fine use of Life's Legacy. Interaction with Legacy, Engine, and Shandalar. Well done. Better done than Legacy/Phytotitan.
Nice deck, the only things I could think about would be Satyr Hedonist, for mana production to cast the Doom Engine a little quicker, and Magma Jet over Lightning Strike. It's one less damage but the scry ability comes in very handy.
I thought about the hedonist but don't think I need it with elvish mystic and caryatid. with the satyr it would still be a turn 3 or 4 play and I want the extra damage from lightning strike as the doom engine combo does 17 damage and the 3 would be the kill.
Jesus H Christ. Sac Doom Engine for Shrapnel blast to deal 11 damage or Life's legacy it and deal 5 damage and draw 6. ggwp.
It's all normally done after combat also, so its 17/12 damage if they let it through or cant block it haha.
also with a turn 3 or 4 doom more than likely they'll have teeny creatures and doom cant be blocked with creatures with 2 or less power!!
yall are overlooking the use of shandalar in the deck as well not only is it a 6/6 but his ability is very useful!
hmmm I don't see how you could use it? Or rather I can't see the connection with shandalar?
sac him with life's legacy then you still have the burn from the grave. along with the burn capabilities while hes in play. not to mention a 6/6!
Seeing all the U/R Artifact decks everywhere, never did I think I'd see a G/R Artifact deck. It's got a lot of stuff that the U/R deck couldn't do! I tried to take elements from your deck and the U/R decks going around and tried to combine the best of both worlds.http://www.mtgvault.com/alayjo95/decks/rugrats-minus-the-rats/
I feel you should have mystic over carytid as mystic allows you to have a better turn 2-3-4 where carytid allows a better turn 3-4-5, Also you have engineer as the 2 slot carytid fits in his list.Haunted platemail would probably be better as a 5-6drop that is relevant to sac to life's legacy.and with elvish mystic you won't need the 2x drums either i feel.
I'm actually thinking about scrapping the Chief Engineer, and having 4 Elvish Mystics and 3 Sylvan Caryatids or 4 Sylvan Caryatids and 3 Elvish Mystics. The Caryatids fit a bit more in this deck because of the access to the 3 colors I need for the deck.
I made some new changes to the deck that really has made it a lot faster. Thanks for the advice. http://www.mtgvault.com/alayjo95/decks/rug-artifacts/Here's the new link in case you have any more advice.
Do you think adding rangers guile would be good to add to sideboard just in case you play someone with removal? And would plummet be better then shredding winds? And naturalize instead of fade?
fade exiles the gods that I need to and I was thinking plummet as well but thank you for reemphasizing that
I really like this deck, but I think that the land base could probably use a little work. Since you are running 4 Darksteel Citadel and only basic lands there will be times that this deck doesn't get the colored mana that it needs. Add 4 Stomping Ground at least in my opinion.
I think he didn't put Stomping Grounds because of budget issues and/or because they are rotating out of Standard soon.
Ya budget is often a factor, it is hard to know if people don't say. Still as it is the deck would be prone to mana issues.
There isn't a single card that is rotating out upon the release of khans, so it may not be for budget purposes.
Khans? Like Star Trek, Wrath of Khan? Weak Mtg, weak. Uber weak. Just like the introduction of planeswalkers and gods. lol
no the Khan they mean is the title given to Central Asian warlords long ago like Genghis KhanIt could have be worded Warlords of Tarkir
Stomping grounds are cycling but ill use them until the cycle otherwise
This is a nice deck but may I ask, why are you using lightning strike instead of lightning bolt?
because it's supposed to be a standard deck
Lightning Bolt isn't standard? Man that bites.
any suggestions for sideboard?
Ugh to sideboards! lol. Don't get me started on that rant again. I don't play tourneys. Even if i am playing someone, with someone using the same deck over and over, I usually don't change my cards out. That is why people give me hell when I yell at them about not having any creature or artifact/enchantment hate in their main decks. They keep telling me, "that is what the sideboard is for!" lolJoking aside.Soul of Phyrexia? Circle of Flame? Not really good at Standard. Don't know the cards. Good luck!
Phyrexian revoker?Mistcutter hydra?(works good with generator servant"2extra counters")
revoker would be good. and mistcutter could be useful against mono blue!!
It's also good vs control as you almost always get one hit in due to has and can't be countered.
Good one!The only card i'm concerned with is Stoke the Flames, it's a decent card but i would use the hydras!u've got my like, bye ;)
I like stoke for the 4 damage and hydras are good just OP. but thanks!
ok sideboard is setish need some input!
Insanely cool build!
Short term a couple trading posts allows you to recycle the Doom Engines. I like the Life's Legacy to restock your hand with the burn spells.
I know it's standard, but if it weren't, would fling be a better option over shrapnel blast for Doom Engine?
It would be, but if you were playing fling it would be better to play death's shadow combo rather than this.
Oh, yea, so true, but speaking for this deck specifically. :)
Xenagos, the Reveler and dictate of the twin gods.
Why? he won't ever be a creature and he's only good with 8 creatures in the deck?
Xenagos, the Reveler is the planeswalker. He's playing with 20 creatures in the deck, 12 of them he can get out early. He's used to counter control decks verdicts and to ramp out you 6 drops as early as the 4th turn.
I'd also consider swapping one fade into antiquity for a 4th anger of the gods. I'd probably also rather have 2 Back to Nature instead of the 2 remaining Fade into Antiquity, since you aren't running any enchantments yourself. I also like Magma Jet better than Stoke the Flames in the main, because you can cast it more reliably and it fixes your draws.
Looks decent. I like that you can't counter life's legacy by killing the dude in response. Better than my original build for sure.
+1 like from me, heres my take on the deck focusing less on artifacts.http://www.mtgvault.com/anders1999/decks/doom-on-you-2/
If you want more artifacts for Shrapnel blast you could always use Goblin Kaboomist. Each mine can be used to with Shrapnel blast and they're just as free as Darksteel.
Help me with a rule clarification, I was toying with the idea of Goblin Rabblemaster in place of Shandalar. The object being it gets on the board early and can generate some Goblin tokens. So if I get 3 tokens down, giving Rabblemaster the +3/+0 until end of turn, then I sacrifice him in the second main phase, do I get to draw 5 cards since his power is still pumped, or just two based on his base power?
I am going to say 5 cards. But I suck with rules.
I am thinking this is right, I am going to try it at FNM and see :), thanks
It's based off of his current power, so it's 5 cards.
Thank you
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Needs more useful artifacts, Profane Momento is a great way to have a cheap artifact and some utility in the deck, and Doom Engine is something you just dont want to sac to Shrapnel Blast, perhaps Ornithopter for more sac outlets and Life Legacy for card draw, also needs a solid win con, most of your cards will just get mass countered.On another note, I have a deck I am having moderate success with but want to take it to the next level and get some possible post rotation ideas flowing... http://www.mtgvault.com/rickell/decks/standard-monogreen-2051/ could you/any readers drop by and give it a look and give suggestions?
If you intend to keep Doom Engine out, Shrapnel Blast isn't very good. I already have like 10 cards I could think of that could take it's place.
He does not intend for Doom Engine to stay out. He wants it to die. When Doom Engine dies he does 6 damage to your opponent. So, he uses Shrapnel Blast to nuke his Doom Engine. Shrapnel Blast does 5 damage and Doom Engine does 6 damage to his opponent. So your opponent takes 11 damage! It combos well.Or EVEN BETTER. Attack with Doom Engine, then as an Instant, cast Shrapnel Blast on your Doom Engine (after he was unblocked by your opponent) to do 17 damage to your opponent. Using Life's Legacy on Doom Engine you do 6 damage to your opponent and draw 6 cards. Not too shabby. Same deal with Shandalar and Life's Legacy. Draw cards and have option to exile Shandalar for more damage. And of course, smartly, he is mana ramping into Doom Engines and Shandalars. Also, running Life's Legacy with 12 mana ramping cards ensures him he will keep his hand full even though he will constantly be playing cards.
Ok that was unclear to me. Thank you for clearing up the confusion! Also sorry for me being stupid I just watched The Matrix and Inception and nothing makes sense anymore
I hear you with Inception :)
I love your deck, gj. I made a U/R version. The big flaw in my version is no card draws and I am not sure how to improve it overall.http://www.mtgvault.com/humstuckmtg/decks/standard-doom-engine/
If you aren't scared of big prices, I don't see any harm in adding Azusa, Lost But Seeking in this. It could help you with your stoke the flames AND doom engine
That would make the deck non-standard legal though
correct I don't usually play standard I'm always in a modern mindset
I would add some Ensoul Artifacts. Use it on Darksteel for a 5/5 indestructible on T3 (you'd need Caryatid out to pay for it though). Could also add Ornithopter to pair with Ensoul for a 5/5 flying.
My take on your deck. Your thoughts would be appreciated.http://www.mtgvault.com/aitso/decks/my-take-on-shandalar-doom/
My version http://www.mtgvault.com/wildor81/decks/12-cylinder-doom-engine/. I think it has a few more end game options. Shrapnel blast still comes too many times with no artifacts in play. Thinking of adding Ugin's Nexus as a twist to sacrifice to shrapnel blast.