Elves

Thank you for the comment :) Regarding the Sol Rings, this is just a casual deck I play against my wife :) And you're right, if I can manage to keep Warden alive, she'll grow tons of life, however, my wife plays a fast-paced mono-red burn, so not often she'll let Warden live, he he.
The first edition of this Elf deck did have 4 Wirewoods, but I need green mana from the start. I've emptied my entire hand on turn 2, having 36 tokens on the field, all of them out of "Flame Slash" range - that was pretty insane :-O
I'll definately hunt for some fetch-lands - good call! :-D

I found 4 Verdant Catacombs, they're on the way - I'll look forward to test it :D No doubt, the fetch-lands are good, but if it bullocks up, I'm going to put them into my "Black Magic" deck - there, they'll definately shine :)
Again, thanks for the advice !

Hi Odaru - the folks I've been playing against kills me quicker with the Verdant Catacombs - they know the power of an elf horde, so I'm their first target, and how sad it may be, I have to place the Catacombs in my "Black Magic" deck instead. Fetch-lands are without a doubt fast and notorious, but the loss of life have been my end too many times.
Oh yeah, btw, I do have a playset of PoT, but the Heritage Druids are faster at instant speed and I've sold my ps of Elvish Archdruid :-/

Disregard the comment on Verdant Catacombs - they're awesome ! Thank you !

Why would you add a card that involved lsing life to get a land out on the field when you could just add another land card? I was just wondering.

Fetch lands reduce the number of cards and land in the deck. This results in an increased chance to draw more important cards and not lands.

Hiya - DedWards is right. I know it may appear to be a foolish card to play, but the less Lands you have in your Library, and the more Lands you have on the field means drawing the card you need :)
Thank you both for commenting - and hey...! Front Page ! Wee :D
I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you Ded... Props for making me see just a bit further into M:tG
Folk and Foxes, take some time, and dive into DedWards' Deck Count - You just might learn something :D

Thanks man ! and well said, I'll reduce the 4 Doubling Seasons to 2 :)

Why is it too much? Wouldn't more cards allow you to be more diverse in the plays you make.

More cards reduces the chance of drawing the cards you want, when you need them

There are these two AMAZING elf cards you could replace Regrowth with: Joraga Treespeaker (to spam mana) and Joraga Warcaller (I think [also meant to amplify your elves by ridiculous amounts])

Hi 2hp10 !
Thank you for your comment, I agree with your train of thought but this is a swarm deck and not a counter deck - I've actually used Treespeaker and Warcaller in another Elf deck I made :-)
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=232555
Regrowth are in here to double my chances with almost every card in the deck. I've used, and re-used, one Verdant Catacombs 3 times to thin my deck, and flooded the field with swarms of Elves with Promenade and Ambush
Hope I don't sound like a douche :-/ but I really appreciate your advice :-D

Hi TheBroTRAIN :)
Thank you for the comment ! - the L Elves were actually in here from the start, and I've often considered putting them back in. Sols are in here mainly because the group I'm playing in are all packed heavy with creature removal, I think I've managed getting my Llanowar Elves to survive to round two once, maybe twice ;-)
Always been a big fan of Lys Alana Huntmaster, sadly they are a bit slow, and I've already got 2 x 4cmc :-/
Would you suggest that I got rid of DoD?
Any advice is welcome :)

Commented :)

If you want to check out my elf deck you can. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=410238

I actually have Immaculate Magistrate, but for a different Elf deck, which uses +1 +1 Counters to smash. Immaculate is a house with Joraga Warcaller, but can easily fortify your small creatures
Commented on your deck :)

Hi Gregorion :)
I don't have a playset of Revane as much as I'd want to, she doesn't fit into the deck, heh Foxy little Planeswalker. She's a CMC 4 and would slow down the deck, same problem with Doubling Season, I found out testing it, although DedWards already warned me - again for the rescue, haha.
Nissa's Chosen is a bomb of a card, but most of the time, the aforementioned should go together to really work :)

i know that in my build I use Warden over Wisher because Wisher needs to wait a turn to activate and the life gain is often killed by my next turn

Hi and thank you, the both of you :D
@TheChurch: I really like Taunting Elf, seems to be kind of an underdog rising. Could be fun times equipping him with an Infiltration Lens. Think Mirror-fight 0_0 '
I get where you're going, I had heavy doubts around Gilt-Leaf, but it has actually won me 3 games in a row, along side Regrowth and Imperious.
Wirewood Pride would also radiate in a Mirror-fight - holy...
Regarding Wirewood Lodge, I have x4 in another Elf deck, in this one I need green Mana ASAP in order to get rolling. It untaps target Elf and unleashes Hell... But not in here. If it were to produce {G} instead of 1 Colorless, then it would be Broke as Hell, but also in here :D

@DedWards: I'm starting to feel I've stolen your thunder and want to apologize for my plagiarizing :-/
But I'm still in awe how well your guidelines work. I haven't lost with this yet (Casual Play) :D

No worry. My "guidelines" are just a result of trial and error. That and having to dig for cheap and / or easier to get replacements for cards :p As I prefer Modern, cards like Wellwisher aren't legal in the format, so I look for similar cards. Sometimes I stumble across cards that may work better in the correct deck :p

Do you use Gatherer to play detective ao to speak? I've got some good advice from that site, but MTGVault seems better in many ways (obviously, haha)

I do use Gatherer, but mostly to double check on rulings for cards while I'm designing decks and to see if there are similar cards that I may have missed. I have read comments on certain cards and drawn insperation from them for decks, but mostly my ideas come from the Vault and idle conversation with friends.

@the both of you: what's your opinion of this deck:

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=411910

Its a friend of mine :)

I'd like to argue against that "not good for Legacy" statement. I've used my Modern legal elf deck in Legacy and on 2 occasions, I came in the top 3. Now I agree that it's not ideal for Legacy, it's still a good deck type.

Hi PoetMaster-X and thank you for commenting ! Also to you Ded, or should I say... "Mentor..." haha. I've seen your 2-time FNM Elf deck, and first thing I thought of, "Why does this only have 2, and not 14 FNM Wins?!" - Its awesome !!
Commented BTW :D
You're right, Zendikar was very tribal keen.
I don't play in tourneys or FNM's - only with my wife and some of my friends occasionally. Thanks to DedWards I haven't lost with this yet. It stands approx 15-ish wins.
What's your opinion on Priest of Titania vs. Elvish Archdruid ?

@ DedWards: Grats on being in the Top 3 ! What would it take to make this Legacy? (Not that I'm gonna change this, just curious;) )

Legacy is the 2nd most nasty format for a casual player to jump into (worst being Vintage). I suggesst starting on Standard, then branching into Extended and Modern. What makes Legacy nasty is the "top decks" in the format have been honed and fine tuned to such a point that it can be daunting for a "newbie" to to play against. I'll be first to admit that the only reason I did well was a combination of who I played against, good draws (and some bad for my opponent), and silly mistakes by the opponent.

That being said, this deck is technically Legacy legal, but that's largly because of the use of some cards (Priest of Titania, Regrowth and Green Sun's Zenith). I'm not sure what changes I'd make to make this a competative Legacy deck as I've not played the format for a while now. So I'm not sure what affects Return to Ravnica mite have had on the format...

Spooky... I thought Legacy *was* a kind of casual. I don't have the funds for Vintage and/or Standard. Officially I'm on a break from MtG, but I'm still active play-wise, well... sort'a haha
Thanks for your help so far :D

Haha, genius ! Yeah... It almost *demands* one to be thwarted with both attacks, kill spells and any other juice they can muster, hehe.

Hi Kazzong and thank you for commenting on my deck :)
I just looked up Strength of the Tajuru, looks really cool, and I'm actually thinking of printing a playset out as proxies, but what the heck should I replace it with?
I was thinking Essence Warden, but she works very well as a magnet for all sorts of spells ):-))

Ok, so... First of all, sorry... I get excited when I see a good home for that card. It is a favorite of mine. As for what you might swap for it... How well does the gilt-leaf ambush work? In all honesty, it seems kinda weak compared to everything else here. That would be my suggestion, but... You do what you want. Your deck. :)

Hey man, why are you apologizing? There's no need for that :-) I welcome you reply, not repel it :-) You've actually given me something to think about, because Strength of the Tajuru is a bomb of a card, and you have no reason whatsoever to feel sorry for that - :-)

Gilt-Leaf Ambush is one of the cornerstones in this one, being an instant, potentially give Deathtouch to two creatures, and lets you know what the top card of both your own, as well as opponents really matters

ok, I see, but still...a it seems like it is only an ok card compared to everything else. but I havent played with it so I guess I am probably wrong.
as for my apology... it was not for the subject of my comment, but the um... maturity level in which it was presented. :)

Other than that, I really have nothing interesting or new to suggest. it seems that you want to take this deck in a slightly different direction than normal, so... yeah. this is a very good build. :)

Nothing wrong with that, haha :D
And thank you again for the kind words :)

Awesome Dimir !
Commented :)

I've actually commented on your Knight Deck before, still a very well built deck, you got skills petersenlau
Commented :)

Thanks man

Not so much for poetry... But your tribal seems very well constructed :D

Thanks you :) Your Vamp Deck "Superior Race" looks sweet :D
Commented BTW ;)

Thanks, Holmes :) But I am not the one to be praised for this work - DedWards is. He is the source of inspiration for this deck
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=376282
Check it ;-)

Thanks, Holmes :) But I am not the one to be praised for this work - DedWards is. He is the source of inspiration for this deck
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=376282
Check it ;-)

Hmm... that was a tough comment - I'm not sure what to put in. Got any suggestions? :)

I've finally come around and made a SB - what do you think about it?

Awesome tribal Ra1n !!!
Commented :-)

She feels right at home ;-)

Thanks for the kind comment, Thegreek :) But this build is actually based off of another MtG player also a member of MTGVault: DedWards. His Elvish Tokens-deck is the original guide-line
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=376282
Check it out :D
Regarding Blunt the Assault, you're right, it is an awesome card for tribal tokens/swarm, but the CMC seems too high for this

Commented on your Elves deck :D

The changeling you're thinking of is white, Mirror Entity:
http://www.mtgvault.com/images/cards/medium/LRW/Mirror_Entity.jpg
I personally prefer to use Ezuri:
http://www.mtgvault.com/images/cards/medium/SOM/Ezuri_Renegade_Leader.jpg

Fog is a great card, absolutely no doubts whatsoever, I just don't know what to replace, hmm... I think I'll throw it in SB - Thanks Inkster :)

I've found that fog effects aren't really nessisary when you're doing the amount of damage this deck is capabile of, though that may just be my play style :p

Fog is a real pain to play *against* but come to think of it, you're right... The damage this does

Commented :D
The Fetch land are in here to speed up the main-line combo's of the deck which is a *deck-thinner* meaning, that statistically you've more chances to combo out sooner. It also garantees that you can get a land *whenever* you need it
Think of it as 12 lands where 4 of them acts (NOT counts) as double :) I know it's hard to understand (in case you haven't noticed, its also hard to explain) but trust me... They work... The work Hellishly well !

Honestly, the fetches dont belong here. You have no additional draw, you get no benefit from shuffling, you get no benefit from having lands in the graveyard, and you get no color fixing benefit.

Deck thinning with 4 fetches without lots of additional card draw isnt even worth losing the 4 life. You dont see any statistically meaningful benefit (an additional card) until youre drawing through a third of the deck in a game.

Of course if you were to change to a Glimpse of Nature combo build, the fetches would be vital since that build intends to draw most of the deck.

Hi Tal, and thank you for the comment :)
Now I'm not a mathetician, so I don't know the precise stats, but if I have a chance to draw Essence Warden sooner, then the 4 life would mean nothing, but I sorta get where you're going. Somehow... it just works :-)

Nice one with the Glimpse, I may have to proxy a playset to test, thanks ! :D

Commented - Awesome Avacyn deck you have :D

Hi squidfreak !
I use Immaculate in this Elf deck:
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=232555
I think its more useful in a counter deck, but thanks for the comment :D

Commented =)

You win some, you lose some... =)

Asceticism
Nice try.

I just played a modern elf deck that a friend of mine owns and I must say, ELVESV F'ING ROCK. It's soooooo quick. I had him dead within the first 5 turns each time. I loved the cohesion that they had. This looks just as fast if not faster.

If you get a chance, I 'm always looking for criticism and suggestions my newest idea. U/W/G Control Mill.
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=414475

Thanks man =) And commented on your control deck =)

Hi MTGOmega and thank you for your comment !
The idea of the deck is to produce tons of tokens and it really work =)
I've just replaced Essence Warden with 4 x Doubling Season, although those two work well with each other, to see if I can get the token count through the roof. Playtest ahoy!
All your suggestions are great, but sadly they don't fit into the theme... I've got Priest of Titania instead of Archdruids, they cost less, meaning I can cast something more Turn 2 ]=-)

I fully understand this is an overwhelm deck and that tokens are key... but removing a life gain assisst for {1} to add a token booster for {5} may not be the best play. You already have a few ways to produce tokens and really, once you get 10+ on the board you're a force to be wreckoned with. Having a life gain assisst while allow you to survive longer should you face a Persist or Undying deck with a destroy all Creatures, another overrun deck or a big green beat down.

I would suggest:
Doubling Season {5} out and Wilt-Leaf Liege {4} in,
Gilt-Leaf Ambush {3} out and Wellwisher {2} in.

Wilt-Leaf is tough to get rid of and will make your other Elves and active tokens stronger.
Wellwisher will bost your life dramatically which will allow you time to rebuild should a "Destroy all Creatures" get played.

Imagine investing your first 3, 4 or 5 turns into boosting tokens while your opponent plays 2-3 undying or persist then he/she drops a destroy all creatures... his/her creatures return and you're screewed. However, iff during your 2nd turn you drop a Wellwisher and by turn 4 you have gained 50 health, chances are you will have the time to rebuild. I say all this because I have a real deck at home with a fairly similar build and those cards alone make a huge difference against previously mentioned decks. If anything, have them on a side board in case.

Any way, it's a strong deck for sure. Just be aware of Undying and or Persist + Destroy all Creatures.

Hi again =)
All your suggestions are really good, and I would be 'tween a rock and a hard place if something like DoJ or Damnation would be played. I do have a playset of Wellwisher's, but if I were to choose a lifegaining creature, it would still fall upon Essence Warden, because it works from the second it hits the table.
Wilt-Leaf Liege is a bomb - it would fit perfectly against my friends Discard deck ]=-) thanks
The Gilt-Leaf Ambush is basically the corner stone in this, when Heritage Druid is in play they're almost unstoppable
Yesterday I managed to get 28 3/3 Trample tokens on the board, and you're right... if a Destroy All Creatures-spell would hit, I'd be in trouble...
You've given me some serious food for thought. Back to the drawing board!

I highly recommend Essence Warden. As for the concern of something like Damnation being played, maybe add a few Ghostway to the deck? I added them to my token deck for some protection from board wiping effects, since they are the critical weakness in decks like this. The problem with Ghostway is that it will remove all your 1/1 counters, but it will let you keep your token creatures. A combination of Cathars' Crusade and Essence Warden can actually make the usage of Ghostway HIGHLY beneficial. As the creatures come back into play, you will gain life for each creature AGAIN from Essence Warden, plus Cathars' Crusade will allow you to put 1/1 counters on each creature for every creature entering your control again. And even more awesome, these effects can stack! (And allow you to take advantage of Doubling Season) You have now turned a defensive maneuver into an amazing life gain and creature boosting move... one that makes Coat of Arms look small time! :D Oh, and if you have Aura Shards of the field, you can also use this maneuver to wipe the board of every enchantment or artifact that doesn't suit your fancy!

Check out my Token Deck to see what I am talking about; of course it is saproling rather than elf, but the defensive uses should still be similar!
http://www.mtgvault.com/omnimalevolent1/decks/blessed-are-the-meek/

Hiya Omnimalevolent1 !
Thank you for the comment =D Essence Warden was a staple in this before, I just wanted to see what change it would make, to switch it out for Doubling Season. (Haven't playtested it enough yet)
When a game stretches into long play, the 'buzz,' so to speak, have already vanished, however your advice are good and true, but this is a mono-green deck. The only reason its shown as {G}{W} is because of Rhys the Redeemed. Its a glitch.
Thanks for the kind words about this one =D
Do you have any advice on how to work Essence Warden into this and keeping Doubling Season in here. Here's the catch: They have to be 4-of's

Commented on your token deck =D

I dunno, I think the easiest way to cut it down is to remove Bramblewood Paragon. His effect only applies to creatures with 1/1 counters on them (not creatures that get 1/1... it has to be counters). His abilities are relatively useless in this deck... since all the bonuses your creatures are getting do not count as counters. I mean, sure... he makes it so that creatures that come into play after him get +1/+1 (which gives them nice bonuses under his effect and doubling season... unfortunately it does not apply to stuff that got out before him. Furthermore, it will only apply to your warriors, which excludes your many tokens) You already have ways of granting your elves trample, even if they are not permanent. I think a simple Coat of Arms would be infinitely more useful in this deck, or even a simple overrun. (Which would have more surprise; he will not be boosting your creatures already on the field, so it lacks that element of surprise) Cut him out completely and replace with Essence Warden. ;) That, or figure out a way to add in some counters. While you are at it, cut your Llanowar Elves and replace them with maybe 2 Coat of Arms and maybe an Overrun and a Triumph of the Hordes. You already have many good ways to get mana from your elves, Llanowar is useful, but probably the least useful of all these options. Try removing it and see if your mana still flows well? The ability to crush your opposition in the late game with the boosts of Coat of Arms and finishing cards like Overrun and Triumph of the Hordes are likely going to be much more helpful.

Thanks for the advice, man ! You really gave me something to think about, but the part where the tokens *arent* Warrior's - they all are =D Doubling Season copies the tokens already on field, which are Warrior Tokens =)
Also will it copy +1 +1 counters (Not that its needed so much in this deck...)

Ouch... your right... dunno how I didn't notice that the tokens were also Warriors... :\

No problem at all =D I'm just glad that you like the deck enough to want to help me with it =)

Hi Beowulf85
Thanks for the comment =)

Wirewood Lodge isn't in here because early green mana is needed, I can't afford to wait the turn until I can produce {G}
Usually my hand is emptied by turn 3 with alot of tokens. The cornerstone in my elf deck is Heritage Druid - she turns every new token into a mana producer, instantly, and in a band of three ;-)

Genesis Wave is a house but I am relying on 16 Instants / Sorceries so my whole combos would end in the GY

Thanks Beowulf, I'll be sure to check out some of your decks =)

Good explanation, your deck = liked.

I'd still throw one or two lodges in personally, but I'm sure you bring the power without em'.

I'll appreciate any comments, suggestions, or likes you have for my decks. :)

Thanks man =D I really appreciate that =D
I didn't mean to sound like a douche in my earlier comment...
You really know a great deal about Magic, cool 8-)

No worries, I'll check out another deck or two of yours, if you like any more of mine feel free to drop a comment. I just wish my elf decks would get the attention that yours has. XD

Sure man =) But I can not reap the benefit - all credit goes to DedWards, he is the master mind here, not I - I'm still a novice, haha

Wouldn't that actually be know as an 'Archenemy' Duel? heheheee

I commented on your Goblin's Sabotage - evil !

Thx I took a look at some of ur decks too they look awesome!

(Sorry for the late response) How would we do battle?

Commented =)

Thanks man =)
I commented on your Red Green Ramp =D

Well, that depends on a lot of things - Is it for control, then I'll definitely recommend Grand Abolisher and Silence. Is it meant for Aggro the Savannah Lions or Elite Vanguard would fit nicely. Honor of the Pure to buff, Day of Judgment. Tribal... there's tons of way to design your own private 'masterpiece' and if I remember correctly that's why the call it 'Magic: the Gathering'
You create Magic and put its name to the test. The most important, though... have fun while creating =D

Thanx again Phoenix! I'm still sorta new to the game so most of the terminology is unknown to me. Bit by bit I'm learning. My goal is to be able to have real life decks capable of beating or not being pwned by my cousin and his friends who are long time MTG players. I haven't really updated this site with my decks as I mostly build on mtgdeckbuilder. I will build my decks here as I can so you can have a look maybe. My RDW is fairly strong as I spent good money on it, my Rat deck is also pretty strong as well as a green deck I have that is fast mana and big creatures.
Apreciate the input Phoenix, you're a real help.

Just added my Persist Combo deck... I'm sure it could use some work. It does work for me though in multi player games, I sit back and build my combo so long as my Cousin keeps his yap shut lol

Commented on your RLD =D Sorry for the wait - I've been a bit off the site

Nice, I see a lot of power on the battlefield. ;)

It tends to get a lot of heat from my opponents, hehe, they know how it Works ^_<'

Thanks, man =) It fared 3 - 0 against a MB Legacy Discard deck the day before last. It felt disgusting, though. Didn't like seeing my buddy getting beaten 3-in-a-row. Although he complimented this, there were undertones of inadequacy in his demeanor.

Wow, you have a very wide vernacular.

Oh, well the answer to that is pretty simple; it was the only cards available to me at that time :) also I think (hope) that they´ll increase in price.
Sure, man, I´ll take a look at your decks :)

I was just wondering because parallel lives is much better in my opinion because of how it works. I've seen rank ran over lives in a couple decks but the reason gave was simply so they can choose what to populate with.

Hmm... I´ve just looked it up, and for what I can understand, 'Parallel Lives' requires a spell and/or an ability to work, whereas 'Growing Ranks' just keep spewing token out, each upkeep. The more I think about it, maybe the two together could do some wondrous things.

I may add one of each, but I´ll have to playtest it first. Thank you, and I´m heading straight for your libraries :)

It does but there's a lot of elves that produce tokens also. it also quite quickly gets ridiculous with rhys the redeemed out. imax out calculators quite often..
also the growing ranks and parallel lives combo is what led a great deal of populate decks

Hey man, sorry for the late answer... Yeah, I know of what you speak =) He is, though, a mana producer to boot, when Heritage is in play, but I was thinking of replacing him with 4 x Deathrite Shaman's I have sitting in my drawer.
Thanks for the comment =) I'll be heading over to your decks shortly

I think Deathrite Shaman would be a better choice. However, I still feel that Wellwisher would be better; especially with Elvish Promenade.

I've actually playtested this one today - and found a better choice to switch Bramblewood with: "Mercy Killing" for more and more tokens.
Not to brag, but one game I got 168 Elf Warrior Tokens out, along side Ezuri and 1 Priest of Titania... There's no kill like overkill ^_^

Good call, sir! Mercy Killing is a much better choice. Haha. I am a huge fan of overkill, as you saw in this deck. You were the only one who showed appreciation for it. For that, I thank you. Haha.

http://www.mtgvault.com/milfstink/decks/here-comes-the-boom/

Yes! I remembered when I saw it! Man, *dat* dps =0

^_^

Btw, sorry for the late answer - I've been off-grid for a couple of days

Dude, it's all good. It has been the same with me. I've been really busy. Also, what does "dps" mean?

Cool ^_^
It's a bad pun if you know Diablo III - 'dps' is short for 'Damage Per Second' which inclines your decks damage-potential, which actually is meant as a big compliment for you figuring out a way to deal that much pain
]:-3