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Just a list of the best 2-drops in magic, if you think of a card I missed post it and I'll add it to the list!
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Stoneforge Mystic?
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yes! added it
A bit obvious but counterspell! Also, time walk. Both are absolutely broken.
Animate Dead, Arcbound Ravager, Argothian Enchantress, Balance, Bitterblossom, Brain Freeze, Burning Wish, Counterbalance, Demonic Tutor, Erayo, Soratami Ascendant, Flash, Gilded Drake, Hymn to Tourach, Illusionary Mask, Kataki, War's Wage, Life from the Loam, Lord of Atlantis, Mana Drain, Meddling Mage, Null Rod, Oath of Druids, Powder Keg, Power Artifact, Scroll Rack , Sinkhole, Standstill, Stasis, Survival of the Fittest, Sylvan Library, Time Vault, Wheel of Sun and Moon
Priest of Titania
Millstone, Fauna Shaman, Samurai of the Pale Curtain, Island Sanctuary, Honor of the Pure/Crusade/Shared Triumph/Bad Moon, True Believer, Grand Abolisher, Wall of Blossoms, Balance, Wall of Glare, Disenchant, Grip of Amnesia, Ludevic's Test Subject, Arcane Denial, Mana Leak, Standstill, Impulse, Daze, Plaguebearer, Dash Hopes, Diabolic Edict/Cruel Edict, Exhume, Dance of the Dead, Shallow Grave, Smallpox, Vault Skirge, Knight of Stromgald/Order of the Ebon Hand/Order of Leitbur/Order of the White Shield, Puresteel Paladin, Dwarven Miner, Goblin Tinkerer, White Knight/Black Knight/Blood Knight, Fork/Reverberate, Pyroclasm, Price of Progress, Shattering Pulse, Gaddock Teeg, Lim-Dul's Vault, Saffi Eriksdotter, Rise/Fall, Coiling Oracle, Qasali Pridemage, Izzet Guildmage, Terminate, Lightning Helix, Eladamri's Call, Cursed Totem, Sterling Grove, Lightning Greaves, Ratchet Bomb, Torpor Orb, Mindstone, Constant Mists, River Boa/Mire Boa/Bligh Mamba, Utopia Tree, Gaea's Herald, Garruk's Companion, Wall of Roots & Hermit Druid. Don't know if you agree with my choices, but I played a long time ago and just got back in. I feel these cards are pretty strong. Let me know what you think!!
Added Grand Abolisher, Balance, Gaddock Teeg, Lim-Duls Vault, Lighting Helix, and Ratchet Bomb. Thanks!
Seek, Exhume, Cranial Plating, Arcbound Ravager, Narcomoeba, Life from the loam, Land Grant, Chaos Orb...there's many more but those are some off the top of my head.
CRANIAL PLATING <-- One of the best equipments ever printed. {B}{B}: Equip is crazy. Quasali Pridemage I don't really think Ratchet bomb deserves to be on the list TBH.
I've reconsidered the Ratchet Bomb, its weak compared to the other cards. Its off the list, and thanks for the other suggestions!
Rachet Bomb is mass removal against the new flipping cards... and against tokens. I personally love the card. Though it isnt as crazy as some of the others.
Cabal Ritual, Diabolic Edict, Infernal Tutor, daze, Hermit druid.
Exhume Regrowth an Edict of some sort Glimpse
Phantasmal Image.
Timewalk is prob my personal favorite
Added Thalia, Guardian of Thraben from Dark Ascension.
Counterspell, Merchant Scroll, RATCHET BOMB (absolutely needs to be on this list, hands down), SPELLSKITE (how did everyone forget that one???), Goblin Recruiter, Kiln Fiend (yes, it is worthy of this list), Warren Instigator, there are so many more
Dash hoe becuase its a black counterspell rite of flame because it is used in net deck dragonstorms merchant scroll because its beast. Thats all i can think of off the top of my head oh and prismatic omen
Invisible Stalker...?
Nope. I know you're just suggesting things and I'm not trying to stifle your opinion, but take another look at the list. Invisible Stalker is no where near the quality of the other cards on the list.
It's quite alright, to each his own, but how are you going to take Spellskite off? My other suggestions I can understand, but Spellskite AND Invisible Stalker need to be on this list for it to be legit. I would take either over about 40% of the cards on there (Lightning Helix? Really?)
There is no way that Hide/Seek, Ratchet Bomb, Spellskite, Kiln Fiend, or Invisible Stalker should be on this list. None of those cards are playable in eternal formats, and a few aren't even that god in standard. Jarret: Dragonstorm isn't a legacy deck, and Rite of flame is a 1-drop anyways... I think Cobra and Image should be taken off the list. I mean, look at them next to the other cards on the list and they just look weak.
What's that based on? Lotus Cobra was in Vintage World Championship decks and is showing up again in Gush-Delver Aggro, and Phantasmal Image is now standard mainboard tech in blue Legacy decks as anti-Progenitus tech, including *all* top-tier Legacy Merfolk decks in *every* SCG-sanctioned tournament in 2012.
...not to mention that Legacy Merfolk was running two Spellskite to keep up with NO RUG until Mental Misstep got banned and NO RUG hit the dirt.
I agree with raggedjoe, the list is becomming more of a every 2 drop ever printed list then the best 2 drops out there. You should only put cards on there that rival the power level of Mana Drain, Survival of the Fittest, Demonic Tutor, Timewalk, Timevault, Umezawa's Jitte etc.... Recent cards that deserve to be in there in my opinion are Phantasmal Image, Stoneforge Mystic and Snapcaster Mage. Also smallpox is at least as powerful and probably better then Sinkhole
...but there's no way Smallpox fits your own "rival the power level of" criterion, is there? Sinkhole has seen some Eternal play, and Smallpox occasionally shows up in Legacy MBC, but they're not Jitte-powerful, you know?
puresteel paladin is amazing.
This is really my point. No, puresteel is not amazing. He's ok in standard, and unplayable anywhere else
Mana Leak should really be there tbh.
Nope. Not nearly powerful enough. It may be the most used card on the vault but that doesn't make it worthy of being on this list.
I think that even Bloodghasts new counterpart in green, Strangleroot Geist, should possibly make an appearance here.
Hmm.. don't think Phyrexian Revoker should be on here. But you should definitely add Regrowth. Vexing Shusher is pretty damn good, Terminate could go on it, as well as Wild Mongrel. And while Narcomoeba may have a 1 and U in the corner, it really says 0. ;)
I disagree about the Revokers; they shut down plainswalkers. I'll consider Regrowth and Vexing Shusher, Terminate will be on the list before Go or the Throat if I choose to add it, and Wild Mongrel will not be going on the list.
Seconding Regrowth. It's restricted in Vintage for a reason!
What, no Storm Crow? ;D Go for the Throat/ Doom Blade. Quite a nice list here.
What about Kor Firewalker? Shut down target red deck?
I remember when Black Knight and White Knight were boss... those were the good old days...
for some odd reason i can't find counterspell and go for the troat, squadron hawk...
Lighthouse Chronologist kargan dragonlord Warren Instigator Skinshifter Fauna Shaman
Another 5 star two casting cost creature Wild Mongrel
squadron hawk! and yes ratchet bomb. it's a mini nevinyrral's disk.lol. archbound ravanger? I know he is only good in one deck but he is boss.
Can't go wrong with a counterspell
Finally! People who respect Hymn to Tourach! Yay! :)
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Baton of Morale. Just kidding. It's funny though. :P
According to your mana curve, it seems this deck has the really acts on the second turn . . .
Puresteel Paladin and Black Sun's Zenith maybe?
Wild Mongrel and squadron hawk? they were both amazing and in the top decks.
Name an eternal deck that plays either... I can think of one that plays a singleton Mongrel, sometimes...
Sure. Legacy White Weenie runs 4x Squadron Hawk, and the Legacy Survival-Vengevine decks that ran Wild Mongrel were so good they got banned. If you're not allowing the latter to count in Wild Mongrel's favor, it's like asking "Name an eternal deck that plays Cabal Ritual" -- which appeared 4x in every Storm Tendrils deck until they banned Mystical Tutor -- or asking "Name a Vintage deck that plays Psychatog" -- which appeared as the kill card in a variety of Vintage UB decks before some bannings changed the metagame. Granted, White Weenie is not currently a top tier deck. But there are at any time only four or five top-tier decks, so that metric is too restrictive.
White Weenie playing Hawks? Where lol? Your right I missed Psychatog though.
Chaos Orb is rinky dink; IMO cards shouldn't have abilities that require you to do something other than normal game mechanics.
What happened to Kargan Dragonlord?
just curious, why did you pick 2-drops?
Because 2-drops are the best kind of drops.
I was playing a guy at the shop the other day, I had two Piledrivers out and he had Bob, Jitte, and a Bitterblossom. I couldn't resist, there are just sooooo many good two-drops.
In my opinion, you've missed the mark on a lot of these cards: Diabolic Edict, Exhume, Cabal Ritual, Brain Freeze, (probably) Burning Wish, (maybe) Infernal Tutor, Lightning Helix, Animate Dead, Lotus Cobra (and maybe others), ... should not be on the list. If a card is among 'the best . . . ever printed' it should either be format changing, or enable something that will make a huge impact. You might question a few of the choices on my list but hear me out. -Diabolic Edict is awesome, mostly due to nostalgia, I used to run it all the time in my old MBC decks. It's definitely not on the level of Channel, Time Vault, Balance (the Grand Daddies of "best") or Bob, Jitte, etc.. -Exhume and Animate Dead are components of reanimator, a major contender in legacy. But they are not "the best" without Entomb -- which is the heart and soul of the archetype and is /the/ card that enables the deck. -Cabal Ritual .......? -Brain Freeze is good, yes, but unless I'm missing something it's not that good. Glimpse is allowed to stay on the list only because it's ****ing huge and gives mill a competitive edge, but honestly.. I don't think anything mill could honestly be compared to the Grand Daddies. -Burning Wish.. The wishes are cool, but unless this one in particular somehow carries burn.. it shouldn't be here. -Infernal Tutor is only good because it is a cheap & legal tutor. I haven't seen Infernal Tutor do anything that impressive though, but perhaps it is good enough.. I dunno.. if it is, then Diabolic Intent should definitely be on here too (it's about 14.72x better than Infernal Tutor) -Lightning Helix is very good. Very very good. But by itself (again) it's not Channel, Time Vault, Balance.. etc. -Lotus Cobra can deliver a ridiculous jump curve, but this relies on having a stable mana curve to begin with (needing less of a jump) is only really good for modern. Eternal formats have a tendency to #Cheatyface# creatures into play when you're not looking.
I do think Stormcrow should be on the list just for the tollololols ;D
Squire is so much better! But seriously, -What you said is true about Edict not being in the same league as Channel, Time Vault, Balance, etc.. But when you look at some of the other cards, not many are. Those "grand daddies" are so ridiculously powerful that they occupy a different level of play than many of the other cards. Put simply, everything looks bad next to Time Vault. =D -I don't follow you about Exhume and Animate Dead, aren't they the reason Entomb is such a good card? -Eh, I can see what you mean. Cabal Ritual is gone. Same goes for Brain Freeze. -Burning Wish: I dunno man, I'll consider it but in-game sideboarding sounds really cool to me. Maybe that's just personal opinion though, and not actually that useful. -I believe Infernal Tutor is part of a Legacy deck with Lion's Eye Diamond, so I'll leave it up for someone who has experience playing with it to let me know how good it is. Added Diabolic Intent by the way. -Again, this list would be very short if we compared it to the grand daddies alone. -Totally understand now that you explain it like that. Cobra is out. Thanks for the help!
A while after Mystical Tutor's banning, nearly every Legacy Storm deck making it to a top 8 has used four Burning Wish in the mainboard and {one Tendrils, one Empty the Warrens} in the sideboard. Red is now a standard auto-include in any Storm Tendrils deck. It's also the card that nearly singlehandedly makes Belcher playable. There's a reason it's restricted in Vintage. Infernal Tutor is used by IGG-loop Storm decks (the same ones that run Burning Wish...). Diabolic Intent is cool, but I'm not familiar with any Eternal format deck that uses it (and I compile tournament aggregates, so I see quite a lot of decklists...). Maybe someone's used it in MBC to scarf their own Dark Confidant? I can go check and report back tomorrow.
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I know this isnt the best 2 drop but back in timespiral there was this 2/2 bear with flash (Ashcoat Bear). I thought it was great at the time. Not the greatest, or remotely close but a personal favorite. So my list is mostly my favorites. Ashcoat Bear Gemhide Sliver (lol?) Knight of the Holy Nimbus (auto regenerates, +flanking) Keldon Marauders !! (A card I use in my legacy burn deck, 5 damage!) Whirling Dervish Stormscape Familiar Hunted Horror (lol?) Izzet Guildmage (copy spells was so fun...) Plaxmanta (shroud? yes please) Spellskite (redirect? yes please) Phyrexian Revoker Go for the throat Livewire Lash Nim Deathmantle Rachet Bomb Black Sun Zenith ( X is zero right? trollolol) Puresteel Paladin (my brother came in first, multiple times with this card and swords... standard again) Increasing Vengeance (has replaced reverberate in my legacy deck, though rare is the time the flashback is used) all i can think of right now since I'm watching a movie in chinese and cant think straight anymore. >.<
I'm curious, why include Grand Abolisher? It's a neat effect, but Defense Grid is splashable and thus more likely to be used by the combo decks that need anti-control tech. If the idea behind including Abolisher is to give various neat unique abilities some credit, you might consider Runed Halo, Declaration of Naught, and maybe even Journey to Nowhere. Halo is powerful enough to show up in eternal-format Enchantress decks, Declaration of Naught gets the nod for its brief use in mono-blue Divining Top-Counterbalance decks, and J2N gets the nod for being sideboard anti-Emrakul tech in Legacy Stax. I probably wouldn't add any of these to a list of my own devising, but I'd probably put Halo and Defense Grid in before Abolisher. Anyhow, neat list, it was fun to read through! :)
Another note -- I'm still curious to see if Stony Silence will take off in Vintage. Null Rod wins more games in Vintage than nearly any other single card, but the 1W cost is much harder to pay than just 2. I guess we'll see soon enough...
Rhys the Redeemed? I know of an elf combo with him that gets nasty fast
This list is a bit overdone I think. As far as I'm concerned, there is approximately 1 true best 2-drop creature for each color. Red = Goblin Piledriver (arguably the worst of these two-drops) White = Stoneforge Mystic Green = Tarmogoyf Black = Bob (Dark Confidant) Blue = Snapcaster Mage (although it's very seldom actually cast w/ only 2 mana and I can see the argument for Phantasmal Image, though it's still miles behind) Other than this, Demonic Tutor, Time Walk, and Balance are really the only sorceries I can immediately see making it. Mana Drain, and Flash rock the instants. Survival, and Oath of Druids win enchantments (a few others might be ok.. like Bitterblossom). And artifacts goes to Time Vault with honorable mention to Jitte, Ravager, and Null Rod (though the Rod isn't really "powerful" but has a very useful effect that can be good against some decks). I honestly can't see any other card on this list that even compares with these. I think almost all of them should go for this to be a true "best" list.* *This does apply to Storm Crow as well, but only because it's soo powerful it needs it's very own list as it is far too broken and makes this discussion too easy.
I guess I did miss Golbin Recruiter which I think can be argued to be as good as Goblin Piledriver or better, so it seems fine on the list as well, though still generally much worse than the other 2-drops I've listed...
I agree, but a small list isn't as much fun to make and browse through as a longer one. This could also be seen as a resource for people to use when building decks, that's why I relaxed the requirements a bit.
Do you think the new two-drop, Thalia, would qualify?
Yes! Already on the list actually =D
Squadron hawk. Strangleroot Geist. Tarmogoyf
Ethersworn Cannonist
knight of the white orchard knight of the holy nimbus daybreak coronet bonds of faith revoke existance
Disenchant!!! Thorn of Amethyst, Sphere of Resistance, Nest Invader...Rune Snag, Snap. Don't think of this as the best eternal two drops, but as the best two drops in all formats.
Sakura Tribe Elder
shatter and counterspell!
Spellskite should be on this page.
spellstutter sprite snapcaster mage stone forge mystic jitte tarmogoyf stormblood berserker
u could add heartless summoning, and then... add 1000's of 4 drops which will be 2 drops with a heartless... and then add another heartles and add 1000's of 6drops which will then be 2 drops, and then add on more and one more :3
That would only be colourless creatures, and they'd become 0 drops eventually.
Needs more Stormblood Berserker!
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condescend
ratchet bomb should be on that list. it's an amazing card. Squadron hawk is so much better than storm crow, and if a card like hermit druid is on there, then I might as well suggest white knight, black knight... but knight of the holy nimbus, spellskite, tarmogoyf, kiln fiend, and possibly warren instigator should definitely go in.
If you have Squire, you should also have Sanctuary Cat. Sanctuary cat is a 2 drop 1W 1/2.. The exact equal to Squire himself.
But it's a 1 drop...
Black Lotus + Ball Lightning
Black Lotus x 4 + Blistering Firecat x 3 = 21 damage for virtually no mana
lol on Lightning Helix STILL being on the list, but no Spellskite or Invisible Stalker. Pure comedy!
Helix is strictly better than Stalker.
It certainly CAN be... Okay, so Invisible Stalker not being on this list I understand. It doesn't do much of anything by itself, and although I still think it's one of the best 2 drops, it's only good in certain formats. BUT. Spellskite is in every single way better than Lightning Helix. It eats Lightning Helix! Spellskite is so, so good against so, so many different things. It used to be on this list... what the hell happened?
Seriously, take the joke Storm Crow off and put Spellskite back on so my brain doesn't explode lol
I don't follow you on the Storm Crow thing, its an excellent card.
Well Storm Crow might be a good card. But how come you haven't put hovermyr og leonin skyhunter on instead? Same manacost - more pros.
For one very important reason; Storm Crow is blue.
I just lol'd hard at Storm Crow making the list. Got love the trolololol community
Inquisitor's Flail.
Could someone please look at my naya deck: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=299765 thanks!
My best 2 drop was Black lotus + Giant Growth + Giant Growth + Giant Growth + Berserk on my Scrib Sprite I dropped on Turn one.
demonic tutor, because it is a diabolic tutor for half the cost.
yayyy Spellskite lol
SCAVENGING OOZE! you need it its insane
Yes! Added it.