Young Ownamancer

shock is removal, and its instant speed. Dreadbore belongs in a sideboard against large creatures and planeswalkers.

Actually Dreadbore is a whole let better than shock because it hits everything!

at sorcery speed. shock can deal with just about any creature early game, and can hit a planeswalker who was brought in with the negative ability, usually. dreadbore doesnt hit anything shock cant hit.

Let's be real, guys, they're totally different cards. Dreadbore is much better against midrange decks as it can deal with Olivia Voldaren, Liliana of the Veil, Jace, all Garruk's, etc. very cleanly. Shock can do that last finishing blow to planeswalkers or low-power creatures like VoR or tokens. The only reason I suggested Dreadbore is that there's nothing that shock can kill that Dreadbore can't and this deck will probably have the most trouble with midrange decks that it can't interact with. Shock might be handy though in taking out VoR and then trading with the elemental. Only playtesting will show.

Trying to say Dreadbore is better than Shock or vice versa is like saying Dissipate is better than Searing Spear. They're totally different cards.

I never said Dreadbore shouldnt be in the deck, but it should not be mainboard. many times, you have no idea what youre playing against, and that early 2 damage is usually more helpful at instant speed than a dreadbore is at sorcery speed. if youre playing against a PW heavy deck, then sure, Dreadbore is probably more useful, but if youre wasting a dreadbore to deal with a Champion of the Parish, then youre probably doing it wrong.

Don't forget that Dreadbore is also a non-color-restricted doom blade at worst. I think personally that sorcery speed is a necessary evil to have that kind of variance in a kill spell.

i agree. in my sideboard against specific threats. Ill use tragic slip or Searing Spear mainboard, because they are both better against a variety of decks and threats.

If the deck were running full dual lands, I'd play Orzhov Charm over Doom Blade. Better targeting (unless you're at really low life, I suppose) and a friendly bounce. But without the duals, it's not a really consistent early game like it should be.

Thank you for the input!

why would he remove intangible virtue? its a token based deck....

it may be token based but the point is to have the tokens die

As one of the minds behind this deck (although it was mostly his), the idea was to use buttloads of removal with the pyromancer to clear a way for your tokens to beat the living crap out of your opponent. The fact that it's BWR and has Cartel Aristocrat doesn't necessarily make it an aristocrats deck. Aristocrat is just there because she can chump-block anything for days.

intangible is decent but the purpose of working YP in this deck is to have as many instants and sorcs as you can to remove creatures from play and gain creature advantage easily. I would run 2 Sorin over running the intangibles, you could create tokens and make +1/0 emblems which is all you really need anyway. and eventually double up on emblems and swing in with your Souls or just overrun your opponent. the Aristocrat/artist is a secondary win condition. Pop in Yp early, maybe a second one if youre lucky, keep using spot removal, pop sorin out, get about 10 tokens, by turn 6. if you hit on your aristo combo, sac all 10, gg. Only thing that could fuck you is facing a pure aristocrat deck, and them getting reckoner , and blood artist out first and then Blasphemous acting your face off for like 20+ dmg

I secretly want to see a singleton of Rally the Peasants. The flashback makes is like drawing two cards :o right? Right..? Maybe not :/

Blood artist just slows everything down in a deck like this

any deck with Cartel Aristocrat gets an upgrade with blood artist. fact.

Having blood artist out is a win condition sometimes.

Guttersnipe would be excellent but I'm not sure if I want to.

I would add Archangel of Thune except the price tag makes me physically ill. Thank you for the suggestion though.

I totally get that. I am someone who has to budget build myself a lot of the time. I still enjoy marketing a deck that has an insane price take sometimes because it is a planeswalker deck that I have no hope of ever affording.

Lightning bolt isn't standard

Mais pourquoi?

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5 words with 2 of them mispelled. tsk tsk.

I would rather have boros charm because it is such a versatile charm. I have won games with that extra 4 damage to a player. I agree that rootborn defenses might have a place in this deck, but I prefer boros charm over it.
Thank you for the input though!

I don't remember that being mentioned, but that is super OP and I love it.

Yeah. Works really well with Dragon's Egg, Molten Birth, and Young Pyromancer.

Would work really well with all the undying creatures and doomed traveler, too... *brew* *brew* *brew*

Nice deck overall, Love seeing original idea's. Looking for help with speeding up my R/W deck if anyone has a minute to check it out its called Ajani's Playground. Thanks

I actually faced this deck at the last FNM he and I went to. Because it was purchased hastily, he didn't have any shocks in it yet, so there were some definite mana issues. As far as the synergy went, though, Pyromancer + Removal is crazy, and I don't think he lost a game when Path of Bravery / Assemble the Legion hit the field (except in one case it was demonstrated that Aetherling does beat Assemble the Legion).

In a nutshell, yes he took it to FNM, and while it's not perfect yet, it has serious potential as a RB shell.

I am wondering still. I guess I am just confused because our FNM is T2 format most of the time and over 50% of the matches end by turn 5 and 90% before turn 7. It just seems like relying on assemble would be a bad bet for me in my local area.

I mean, the metagame is different in every area. The only deck I know that's capable of completely ending the game by turn 4 or 5 is BTE aggro, and that's only on a nutdraw with absolutely no resistance. There are still a lot of control and combo decks out there--especially at our scene. Aristocrats (both Junk and ActII) are really big, as well as Bant Hexproof and UWR Flash. There is a lot of RG Aggro as well, but those games rarely close out before turn 5. If you're facing almost all aggro decks at your store, then I would either a.) Modify the deck to take on aggro decks primarily, b.) Devote a lot of sideboard slots to fighting aggro or c.) Run a different deck if this one just doesn't work. This deck is meant to function half aggro, half combo, and was made for our store scene to take on decks like Jund and Aristocrats, so if you're having pesky matchups against different decks than those are what you should focus on beating.

And don't knock Assemble the Legion ;) It's probably one of the most underrated cards in the entire format, and has the finishing power to absolutely demolish any deck in the format given enough time.

I didn't mean to "knock" the card itself. As I said I love the concept I am just wondering if I would get to pull off the full strategy for this specific deck. I know every local scene has a slightly different meta game, I guess what I am really wondering is how different the meta game is at the local area this deck is played and you answered that.

After stress testing I believe that this deck has a real shot. Right now, being like an Aristocrat deck, it can hold up relatively well. When Theros hits I have to believe that it will come with better utilization of the pyromancer. (Though lingering souls is definitely amazing when it generates 2 souls and an elemental.)

The deck is running 2 Sorins right now, while it's in standard.

I like the idea and will do some play-testing with it.

Cool, let me know what you find. Also, mad props for being a Sean

Mark of Mutiny + sac outlet is actually crazy. I like these changes, and it gives me post-rotation ideas. I am glad that a fellow Sean could help strengthen the deck. GG!

Cheers fellow Sean! I'm glad I could help, let me know how it goes