Pay the Tax Man

Yes, this was supposed to run Mycosynth Golem, but I found creatures that already had affinity, so it was redundant.

Metalworker is the bomb, can't believe I forgot that guy. Adding 4.

I liked Dross Golem cause he had fear, but with all the artifact creatures, Crusher is better. Replaced all swamps with Artifact Lands too. Who needs not artifacts anyways. (Fear the Shatterstorm)

I guess I need a beater. Added 2 colossii (sp?)

Thanks for the suggestions.

I actually suggested Darksteel Jugernaut, not Colossus. I am not sure if you will be able to amass 11 (+1 for each sphere) mana to get him out.

Juggernaut would work too. I did think it was weird to have Colossus, must have been a typo. Thanks for the suggestion.

Oh, you are right - thought "Juggernaut" but my fingers wrote "Colossus". Damn, that's scary - someone used a Mindslaver on me^^

Haha, hate when that happens. :)

I second Arcbound Crusher. I run him in my Myr deck, and he gets nasty.

I agree, he is a beater. I opted for Steel Overseer instead for pumping of all my creatures.

You really can't go wrong, either way.

Twas some good inspiration. :)

If I had more combo pieces, Unwinding Clock would be an instant add. However, I do not see its usefulness in this deck. Wurmcoil Engine is a beater and added 4 of that guy. Where have you been all my life?
Thanks for the awesome suggestions.

Sure man ^_^
Happy to help

I do like War Tax, and it does fit the theme, but I am really liking this as an all artifact deck. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Yeah, I used to run an affinity deck back in Mirrodin and loved Thoughtcast. I do want to make this an all artifact deck, as my play group is pretty casual. Thanks for the suggestion.

I appreciate the blunt feedback :)
I do love Wurmcoil engine and the forgemaster. Definitely going to add both of those. If I was planning on making this tourney level, I would definitely think about Crucible/Wasteland and Trini combos. My play group is super casual, so this was meant more for that style of play. Check out my other decks to see the types of decks I like to make. Thanks for the suggestions.

Grim Monolith is a winner. Added 2 of that guy. I can imagine an opening round of Artifact Land > Sol Ring > Grim Monolith > Sphere or Thorn. Next turn play Tolarian Academy and you have access to 7 mana on turn 2, cast a MycoSynth Golem and basically every other creature is free at that point. Love the suggestion.

and ornithopter would be better then memnite since it can block flyers

The problem with an all artifact deck is adding colored spells. I do love me some shrapnel blast and Broodstars are the shit in this style of deck, however making the manabase without artifact lands is gonna be tricky. The intent of this deck was to tax the opponent and make my stuff cheaper. I have kind of gotten away from that with some of the more recent suggestions, but who knows maybe this will get even better.

Love both of those cards. However the Umbral mantle without the metalworker is pretty lackluster. I'll think a bit more about the mirrorworks. Seems like it could be pretty powerful.

You are right on. That card in this deck is brilliant. Added 2 copies. Pretty easy to get out too with Kuldotha Forgemaster and Mycosynth Golem. Thanks for the suggestion.

Is there a reason you don't add tolarian academy?

Well, it definitely is the best land for an all artifact deck. Definitely worth an add. Although, my all artifact claim goes out the window, but who cares, it makes it that much better.

It's restricted btw so you can only run 1, however mana crypt would also help you jump out to a good start and then you can sac it later.

Good catch. I was looking at the legality chart after I entered it, but it said it was legal. Must not have refreshed. 1 is better than none. :)

On the topic of amazing but not-actually-an-artifact lands, Mishra's Workshop is ludicrously efficient in a deck like this, and not even restricted in Vintage. Might be worth a look.

If I had $400 per land, I would run 4 of those as they would rock in this deck. However, not likely to ever get my hands on one of these. Thanks for the suggestion.

think higher, in the $600 nowadays. i have affinity built, and i wanted to port it over, but $2400 for a playset surely shut me down

Yep, I don't have the extra cash lying around to spend $2400 on a playset. :) If only...

I originally had that in my build, but found out I would rather have the permanent tax rather than during opponent's turn tax. It would be a definite sideboard addition if I was going against a deck that was running a lot of instant speed removal. Thanks for the suggestion.

no problem, it popped in my head when i saw the list. norns annex could be useful in certain situations

Indeed it could. I have a pillow fort deck that uses Propaganda/Norn's Annex like effects to great success.

its a casual deck.......

As much as I want to spend $2000 on Moxes and a Black Lotus... lol

2000$? That's not even enouogh for the Workshops ...

I agree it's kinda of ridiculous to suggest to someone in a casual deck to go drop closer to 15k on a few cards.

I hear "it's a cassual deck" every time someone just makes a bad deck and have no real deffence. If you want to build a cassual deck then sure, do that but don't build a deck containing powerhouse cards that are only leagal in one format outside limited and call it cassual. just for the moxes and lotus i can pay rent for about 4 months. That's not cassual.

In short, either be gracefull enough to take advice when you post something on a web page dedicated to getting advice about it or be gracefull enough not to post at all.

Well I happen to think that vintage is the best format because you can use all cards ever printed with restrictions on around 40 or so power cards, for the sake of keeping the game some what fair. I'm sure many others agree. Anyone that knows anything about MTG would obviously play all the power 9 in any vintage deck if it was actually in their means to do so. However if someone does not have them it's pretty unrealistic to think the average person would spend that kind of money on a casual game. It's nice having some of the really strong cards like Tolarian Academy and Sol Ring to play with which are actually obtainable to the majority.

Casual doesn't mean price.
It can be 10 dollars or 10,000 dollars.
Casual means = not designed to be in tourneys.

That is my take.

Yes casual I consider "kitchen table" format. This deck doesn't have ridiculous power nine cards. Really don't know what the hell you are talking about dantanius, but you sound like an ass. Not everyone plays in tournaments

Jessie is spot on.
Tournament aka "competitive": Winning => being creative and having fun
Kitchen table aka "casual": Being creative and having fun => winning.

Money is no issue in that. However, for many people "fun" equals "winning" and that's where people collide.

Our casual group always plays Vintage, simply because it has the biggest card pool and it would be silly to only use a tiny fraction of your card pool. Many of us do own those expensive power cards, however, since we have so huge collections and since it is becoming increasingly difficult to assemble and disassemble decks, we usually build more decks than we retire. Currently I have 23 decks and there no less than 12 in the making. And we have a simple but effective rule: DON'T SWITCH CARDS FROM DECK TO DECK BETWEEN MATCHES! So, while I do own a set of Moxes, I can only pimp one of those 23 decks with it (or spread them among 5).
This has two positive effects: First, of course, you'll rarely see the gamebreaking cards and if you see one, you know you won't see it again this evening. Secondly, it forces you to be ceative and to use a broader spectrum of your collection. At least I do - of course, I could trade for 10 Sylvan Libraries so I can put some in all my green decks, instead, once I used the 4 Sylvan Libraries I own, I'll put Mirri's Guile in the next one. And then I'll give Preferred Selection a try. Or Abundance. And when I run out of those, I need to come up something entirely different - Scouting Trek? Cream of the Crop + Jackalope Herd? And before you know, you are building a deck that is new and creative, something you would never have come up with if you sticked to the same bunch of staples everybody uses. And it is so much fun to kick someone's ass with a bunch of horned bunnies :)

Well said, well said.

Hear Hear!

The problem I had with the comment was that you posted a full deck as a suggestion. That's not what this site is for. If you had specific cards to make it better, that's one thing. To come in my deck and post a tourney level deck is not right. I could go into any deck and say, if you added moxes and a black lotus, it would be better, but who is actually going to use those cards in a deck? Not many people. Thanks for looking at the deck, but if you wanted to build a better deck, create your own.

Definition of casual = Not for winning tournaments and that kind of stuff, but to have fun or to have a good time. :)

Exactly, Julian.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll take a look at these and see if any of them fit.

Urza lands would be faster, but outside of what I wanted to do with this deck. Getting as many artifacts out as possible makes Mycosynth Golem work better as well as powering Metalworker, Forgemaster, Tolarian Academy etc... So I think I want to keep the mana base where it is right now. Mindslaver would be fun, but I have no tricks to use with it. So not sure I want to add that at this point. I do like Cranial Plating and will see if I can fit it in. Thoughtcast will be interesting now that I have the Tolarian Acedemy which gives me Blue mana. Otherwise, it's a crap shoot as to whether I will have blue mana.

And then the deck will be uber banned.

lol 4 academy's and multiple tinkers??? Why do people think that rules don't matter?

no it is not banned will be legal in vintage and legacy, there is no rule against it.

hey if you want to play casual you could run 4 black lotus lol. not that i would recommend it

"Casual" doesn't equal "wild west" ... There are still format rules to obey, and for a reason. It's neither fun nor casual anymore if you run 4 Tinker etc. to play Colossi that fast.

As a rule of thumb: Of only one person had fun, then that game wasn't casual.

Tolarian Academy and Tinker are Banned in Legacy and Restricted in Vintage. So only 1 copy of each.

im joking. i used to know guys whose only rules were no anti, no more than 4. they also didnt own any crazy power cards, just stuff they have accumilated from packs since arabian nights, at a pack a month rate it seemed. good collections, alot of one-ofs though. they didnt buy singles.
if i had a play group we would have rules of some sort... but i only play fnm's, star city game nights, IQ's/ptq's/gp's.... not saying that means im good i just only have a chance to play at competitive events

they arent to my knowledge

What is not? If you are talking about the legality of the cards you mention, check out the cards on this website. It will tell you which type it is legal in and whether it is banned or restricted.

they very much so are restricted, which means you can run one, and only in vintage

Exactly Zaklax.
Rathox, check out the Legality column here:
http://www.mtgvault.com/card/tolarian-academy/USG/
http://www.mtgvault.com/card/tinker/ULG/

I do like the Myr, but I think at this point, I would rather have the Semblance Anvil reducing all of my spells by 2 than have a creature that can add 2. Thanks for the suggestion though.

or kataki really. wizards has printed a crazy amount of artifact hate

It's a good thing I don't play against opponents with Shatterstorms, Kataki, or Energy Fluxes. :) This is a casual deck that I would play with my playgroup. If they ever started using those kind of spells, i would add some removal, but I'm not too concerned. Thanks for the heads up. :)

Kill Switch is brutal too, fyi, against Artifact decks :)

if they start hating you out just switch decks one day and dont tell them:)
when i used to have friends who played and we did it casually we would always brew different decks and never tell each other what we were running

Let's face it, there is a lot of artifact hate that would destroy this deck. It happens to most decks out there that rely on one type of card to win (all creatures, all enchantments, etc...). You just hope your opponent doesn't play with those types of cards.

You are very right, berndttoast, and i was playing devil's advocate, honestly, how many casual decks are you going to run against that have Kill Switch or Energy Flux? :) Very few, if any!
I just had to throw my two cents in about Kill Switch, lol.

Good point indeed.

ya most people wont run that when it was done to me it was my brother that played it because he hates my artifacts hes done it to me a few times and energy flux is a quick game over

Excellent suggestion, added 2 of that guy.

Why would you need a buffer if 1. They can't cast anything and 2. Your beqters are already way higher than anything they'd have on the board?

"Win more" I guesss ;)

Yes, Overseer is not needed and would probably only dillute the deck.

I'd rather have a couple temple bells or something for card draw. Who cares if your opponents draw as they can't play anything anyway.

Noted. I have been looking for a way to get some draw in here (whether it be Skullclamp or Slate of Ancestry) but they never fit what I wanted. Temple bell seems pretty good and I agree, who cares if they draw since they will be taxed. Added 2 instead of the overseer. Thanks for the suggestion.

Why not Howling Mine then!?

How about you give some bad advice once in a while. Sheesh. :) Yes, that will do fine too. I don't have a way of activating the Bell more than once a turn, so the usefulness over Howling Mine is marginal. I'll take the 1 less mana. Thanks for the suggestion.

Temple bell gets you value first and if you don't need to draw you don't have to so they don't get the card. Personally i think its a better value with the bell. The lower cost will only be of value in the first turn or two and allowing them an extra card that early may have a draw back where as you need the cards a little later in game and might not want to wait with your draw. Def test both though!

Well, Sphere and Thorn affects yourself, too, so that one mana might turn out to be crucial.

I have to agree with Puschkin on this. That extra mana along with any of the other taxers I have out, will make it harder to get the bell out. Gonna run with the Howling Mine.

If your worried about a cmc 3 your deck has a lot more issues than a bell/mine decision lol

The whole point is being able to get it out as fast as possible. Once I have either of the 8 taxers in play, it's going to force me to pay more for all my stuff too. I don't argue that Temple Bell has more creative uses since you decide when they get a card, but I'm not too selective when they get an extra card or not. I'm going to opt for the cheaper card mana wise.

I would think you'd rather cast mana rocks and tax cards before your draw. That being said yes it cost 1 more and one that 1 in on the board it increases our academy count. However so does bell and with the card drawn you 1 increase your count for any workers you have in play and allow yourself another play after. If you cast you mine you wait till your next turn to see any upside, and if you are taling about casting it early game you are giving your opponent the opertunity to get value before you. If you are worried about the tax on yourself you should be looking to cut some creatures in your build so that's part of the reason i don't see an argument for goin strictly off cmc. I personally would run the bell, a couple expidition maps, and a minamo,school at water's edge. Mana shouldn't be an issue if your are playing the taxing deck.

I was thinking with the Howling Mine I could use it to my advantage since I put the Tangle Wires in, but the tangle wire happens at the beginning of upkeep and the howling mine is during draw step, so I cannot shut it off for opponents but leave it on for me. So I went back to the Bell. I also like the idea of the Expedition maps to fetch the Tolarian Academy, since that power this deck. I think this runs a bit smoother this way. Thanks for all the suggestions.

I would drop the tangle wire all together and just stick with the they pay more for their spells idea. Tangle wire is really the only card that hurts you so why not just go more stream lined to make them pay more. Your artifact creatures at most would cost 4 more and your smaller regular artifacts 8. That would give you 4 card slots for maybe removal or cards to just get to your fin faster. Hell a mimic vat would even be great here especially if you left a sundering Titan in, or even a cheaper early creature like etched champion. There are a lot of ways to go hell even Mishra's helix if you want to tap them out and stall.

Dropped the Tangle Wire and added 4x Phyrexian Metamorph. That gives me 4 more possible copies of tax artifacts, can be played on turn 3 and can copy huge creatures my opponents manage to play.

I agree with that thought. What are your thoughts on 1 minamo and maybe even I eye of ugin?

I like both, and if I had to choose 1, I would go with Minamo, but I think that is only useful if I can get out the Academy. Even though I have 2 maps to search for lands, chances are I will draw 1 but not the other and if I draw the Minamo without the Academy, I will be less than enthused.