Shared Fate Combo

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I like it, but would suggest adding ramp. Otherwise you a have to survive until turn 5 at the best...

Now UB With rituals for ramp. Happy?

Yes, but why not Jace's Ingenuity

Yes, but why not Treasure Cruise

Dat looks legitness

Nice combo. A good idea might be to add a few cards like Palace Familiar for the sake of blocking and card draw.

He hasn't got Jace's ingenuity because he has a better version in Tidings.

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But Mana Vault is Terrible

Ah. Well. You see... DON'T TELL LIAM THAT!

Yes, but he knows. It is only him insisting that it is good, because he does not like to be in the wrong. Even Fugitive wizard is better than it.

How is mana vault terrible!? It is bad in this deck to an extent, as it could kill the player, but, on average, that takes 14 turns! Usually a deck wins by then! Mana vault is a free sol ring, and sol ring is arguably the best card in commander.

Ask Ben or Fergus what happened to JBC when he insisted Rick Riordan was terrible. Ask.

Sorry, not mana vault, but mana crypt. Slight difference. Pls replace vault with crypt everywhere I typed mana vaulr

What happened to Rick Riordan?

nothing happened to Lord Rick, Imperial King, but JBC was brained by the last Olympian. Wow! I thought she was supposed to be a kind loving godess.

Truth, truth.

Wow, who's been downvoting my comments?

I disagree on the Dark Ritual: You need that "burst" mana to actually play Share Fate asap. And once Shared Fate is in play, you do not longer care about Dark Rituals being in your deck since you won't draw them anymore. Also disagree on the Coral Atoll since it slows your down. Chromatic Lantern, however, are a good addition (so are Fellware Stones).

You do know that the concept has been around before. Also, why are we all liking a deck that has no difference from the original deck idea?(I don't mean to be mean or make you gain less likes just curious.

Magic of the Hot Page. Once it's there it won't go. Likes are given at whim. That's how MTGVault rolls.

I'm still confused why we're liking a concept that has been made multiple times before.

Thinker, this is the first time I've ever seen it. The combo, I mean. *shrug*

I went and read Puschkin's list as well after I saw that he had made one, if that matters.

I didn't know about the card. I also think there are way too few Johny and kitchen table decks looming on the Hot Page.

This kind of makes sense. You want to pay respects to the publisher of this deck because he/she introduced it to you and you do so by liking the deck. That makes sense but it seems a little unfair in my eyes as someone who hasn't thought of the concept for the deck is getting the credit for it. If anything this sounds almost like plagiarism, but that's just my opinion. I respect the deck being liked now.

Clairvoyance and the rituals are all keeping it illegal in modern. Get some ramp: maybe UG and then you could hypothetically play modern casually.

Then again, if you see a deck, do you really want to check entire Vault if there is a similar deck out there? It might have a weird deck name and you'll never find it anyway.

Groupthink is a thing...

There's also a finite number of "useful" combinations (read as: all the most efficient cards or cards that do something exploitable), so not only is there bound to be overlap (as opposed to plagiarism, because I'm guessing that the intent to steal a decent idea is not really motivating anyone) but there's also the fact like Puschkin said, decknames are weird and not really illustrative of what the deck does... I've been thinking of getting into Modern and came up with a Death and Taxes style deck without knowing what Death and Taxes even *was*- I just started looking for cards that made it hard for opponents to do things.

Anyhow, I try to avoid the "Hot" page and look at Unloved decks, personally. I'm only on this one now because I wanted to see what the combo with Shared Fate was.

Okay I guess that makes sense but we still don't know if the that is the case here.

I know the creator, no plagiarism was involved...

Who's the creator?

Of this deck. Ben

Middle initial and last name please. Thank you.

Benjamin J. G. Evans. Me.

Why did you want Ben's middle and last name. What, do you also want his school and home address?

Are you a stalker?

Huh. Jo, for once we are in agreement about something.

I needed the name to verify with other sites. It is true that the middle initial wasn't needed but that is the reason why I would like the last name. Also, the Manasource did a video on this deck before you posted this deck.

So, you planned to check EVERY SINGLE WEBSITE, knowing he may not have commented, or may have watched a video, or seen it off someone else? I admire the thought, but I don't think it's physically possible to prove either way without an insane coincidence.

I haven't checked every sight but if your saying that they both created the same concept it is possible.

Actually, no.

1) The opponent won't die if your library is empty since he doesn't draw anymore. He just won't get to exile stuff but where is the difference? You don't have anything useful in your deck he could get anyway. So Leveller doesn't do much besides denying him the access to more land. Leveler or not, in both cases, with Shared Fate out, your worries are the cards the opponent has already played and the card he still holds in hand.

2) You need to have Leveler in your hand prior to casting Shared Fate because once Fate is in play you won't "draw" into Leveler anymore. This makes things more complicated than it should be, the Fate has to hit play as early as possible, you can't wait to draw combopieces. But if you add Leveler, then you MUST wait for it because:

3) If your deck contains Levelers and play your Shared Fate without having it, then your opponent will eventually "draw" into leveler, play it and exile his own library.

4) If the opponent holds an enchantment removal spell in his hand by the time you cast Shared Fate and sticks to it, a Leveler would mean instant loss for YOU!

Playing leveler prior to playing Shared fate is an instant win. I played brainspoil to transmute into the one copy.

Because the Ritials were added later in the process-

Take the damage of your attacks, probably.

Take the damage, play Shared Fate and then play something bigger or removal from the opponents deck.

Or die turn 3

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This also lets you stay in modern, away from broken vintage and legacy BS.

I can't tell if that's a compliment or an insult to the deck.

i hate you, go die

Pretty sure that's an insult.

Man, wowwow27, as well as having THE WITTIEST comebacks, he also has the most intelligent things to say, completely relevant and in relation to this deck.

https://youtu.be/ULjCSK0oOlI

Remy's right, you have definitely got the best comebacks.

doesn't matter as what he says is true as with all combo decks. their fun but rely to much on their combos. so lets stay neutral cos i think it was all a misunderstanding. remy wasnt trying to be mean and wowwow was not trying to be originally either. btw i am trying to be neutral even tho these are my friends.

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Liam! it was $15 dollars, and nobody likes comments-advertisers!
everyone you know has looked at your deck! no one would want to take a common/uncommons deck to a protour!

5$, Nettheim, and I want ADVISE, not publicity. Goodgames is just really expensive.

*ADVICE. Stupid bad spelling of me.

That's 100 Idiot Points to you, liam

The correction nullifies it.

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I think it got onto the hot page Bcuz of the number of comments.

How do i get de comments?

is there an app for getting comments? JK

How are you answeing my posts if u r at schul?

Remy! I thought you had a fat pack and weren't going to school because you didn't want to go to tennis

Sorry, joe. I'm sick. I opened the fat pack cos i got bored. Nathan' good: just an end bringer

I mean world breaker

Initially you either need luck or to tell some friends they should comment and like it. New decks have a lower threshold to enter Hot Page - so a small burst of comments is enough. It helps to post a deck with flaws and to add certain keywords such as "budget", "combo", "infinite", "turn X kill" as well as superlatives. If these don't fit the actual deck, all the better, because this, like flaws, generates debates, => comments => Hot Page (this deck for example doesn't have any combo).
Once you made it hot page the deck won't leave hot page for a loooong time. Why? Because the average MTGVault user only cares for hot page. Similar to bad pop music he assumes "its on the hot page so it must be good/interesting", adds a view, comment and like and thus helping the deck to stay on hot page, making even more people think "oh, so many likes, views and comments, that must be something great". Basically its a feedback loop that fuels itself, regardless of actual quality. Add to that :
- The software causing lots of double and triple posts
- people commenting on popular decks just to advertise their own decks
- meta discussions like this one
- spammers

Also, as unpopular is this will be, the hard truth is that most users here just don't have the knowledge or skill to recognize good decks, ideas and concepts and as such will flock to and like the "wrong" things. Let's compare this to my Shared Fate deck I made 2 years ago.
- It doesn't have a clickbait title.
- It contains 2 pieces of power which I happen to own that fit the deck - those 2 cards let the deck value skyrocket. People see the deck value and assume they need to drop thousands of dollars to play the deck even though they just need to replace the mox with a basic land and the Ancestral with another card drawer.
- It didn't have the luck of initial spam and I didn't advertise
- It contains advanced concepts that need some brain effort to realize, for example it has Quicksilver Wall for defence and Undiscovered Paradise to get every mana so I can play whatever I draw from opponent's deck. Both cards are Shared Fate proof in the sense that if the opponent "draws" and uses them, they will bounce back to MY hand. The typical user here won't realize that unless I tell him in the description, but:
- the average user also doesn't like Wall of Text (which is why I am sure by this point of this comment, the type of people I am talking of aren't reading anymore), so, ironacally, the more I explain, the less likely that I get actually heard.
- the deck had mana acceleration and rainbow mana producers from the get-go, so users had less reasons to comment

I referenced my deck in this deck. My deck didn't get a single new comment in return. All the discussion still took place in THIS deck. I contributed a fare share of that traffic myself when I answered questions that should have been answered by the deck author. He said he added Dark Rituals (so, the original deck had no mana acceleration - a flaw that generated the initial responses) and told us his middle name. This should tell you everything you need about this site - both how it is programmed and how the users here tick.


(BTW, this is also how tabloids -or meanwhile all of our media-, pop culture, politics and religions work)

Right.... thanks.

36 in a row!

To be fair, I am probably one of the people who flock to the "wrong" decks, but I read through to the end!

its a fun deck while your looking at it, but to play it is like ripping off finger nails.

I'm going to hang myself in the closet with my dogs leash

Ok... That's not weird at all...

its only weird when i post it up on youtube as a live feed.

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k den...
Um....
Right...

my mistake...... 37?! in a row?!??

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You are REALLY witty.

sometimes i don't sit when i pee

And thus, I believe, the title for largest idiot goes to... Wowwow!

No, You FDB

hello, there, joe

Yes, Hi Remy

FDB, How many idiot points are you on now

10.. As I always have been

Betty? is that you????

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you play the other guys lands for the colour your after

Both things have already been covered. Yes, you need all colors of mana yourself prior to Fate Shared. You can and will of course get lands from your opponent, however, that'S way too slow! By the time Shared Fate hits play he will have creatures or other things in play that you have to respond to. Whatever you draw from his library needs to be played asap! That's why you need multicoloured mana, I just don't think Mana Confluence is the best way to do so, you'll need all your life.
Urza lands however? How is that supposed to work? You need all 3 to make them work, that'll be 7 mana on turn three but all of them are colorless. Which means you can play neither Shared Fate nor your carddrawers ...

Maybe city of Ass or Forbidden Orchard

Because then the opponent would get the tutor post Shared Fate, getting a card from HIS library, which is exactly the one thing this deck tries to prevent.

The point of a Shared Fate deck is to have not a single card in it that would be useful for the opponent if hew drew it. That's why a basic Shared Fate deck has nothing but lands, mana acceleration, card drawers and he Shared Fate itself. Any other card you add must be a special one with an effect that also works in your favour if the opponent gets it via Shared Fate. Like Quicksilver Wall (if the opponent is foolish enough to play it, you can bounce it back to your own hand).

I mean top of library, not into hand. Thus the opponent could change the top card of HIS/HER own library, but you could use it to get shared fate.

Then he can use it to put garbage on top of library, essentially costing you a turn. The typical situation after Shared Fate hits play is that the opponent has already some creatures or other threats out while you have already taken some damage. You need to find removal and/or creatures now. But yes, Vampiric Tutor is better than Demonic.

However, couldn't the advantage pre-fate be worth more than the disadvantage post-fate

To my personal experience: No. Simply because getting your Shared Fate is way easier than winning after Fate hits play. See, if your deck doesn't contain anything else than mana and 1-mana (or in my case even zero mana) card drawers, then you will draw into Shared Fate pretty consistently. But I could be wrong since I never made the actual number crunching.

Give me a few minutes to crunch the numbers, I'll get back to you tonight.

Never mind, too many variables.

They will draw off each other as you draw off them.

yes, and then they get other players win con's

As I said, don't play this in MP for various reasons.

Given enough of a dent has been made to get shared fate in your hand the first time and able to hold out long enough to play that many draw cards.

This has ALSO been covered multiple times!
No, you don't lose because Shared Fate is a REPLACEMENT effect. You only lose if you have to draw but can't. Since the draw will be replaced with the exile effect, you don't lose. There is no rule that says "you lose the game if you have to exile the top card of your library but cannot".

HOWEVER, as I said in my initial post here, if the opponent happens to hold a card in hand that can destroy enchantments, if he is clever, he will keep on playing your cards, exile stuff until nothing is left, and THEN destroy the Shared Fate. You will then have to draw from your library which is empty => you lose. But he needs to draw it before Shared Fate hits play. Yet another reason why you need to drop it as soon as possible.

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wowwow, why would you post

'wowwow27 has deleted this comment'? As we can still see the comment score, we know you haven't!

bored i guess' ill be posting links to some of my card alters on here periodically on eBay; be on the lookout' probably soon...

You realize that the opponent will get those Walls once Shared Fate is out, no?

thats why it isn't modern

I think hypothetically, what Joe is suggesting is that if the opponent gets a wall post fate it doesn't matter much, while pre-fate it can buy you a turn...

technically the algorithm doesn't allow for any substantial move other than a counter spell , or a card that voids all enchantments.

they need a possibility storm that cancels your spell and digs through your opponents deck finding the first card of that card type, allowing you to cast his spell.

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No, FoolishDeckbuilder, like I explained MULTIPLE TIMES in this goddammed deck:
YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO FOOL AROUND!

If you have Dark Ritual, Shared Fate is out on turn 3, otherwise it's turn 5. That means your opponent drew 9 respectively 11 cards from his own library before he uses your deck. That typically translates into 3-4 lands, 3-4 creatures and 2-3 spells. And he'll be able to play those, even if the creatures cost 4-5 mana, because he'll get lands from your library. And THAT means, he'll have creatures out by the time Shared Fate resolves. Having walls of your own may slow him down but they also slow YOU down when you make the switch. You are on a clock. And the big difference is, the opponent, using your deck, will play all the other draw cards until he gets a wall ... he'll be pumping them out faster than you get creature from his deck (plus the matching mana), a race he will win since he has already other creatures from his starting hand.

The only wall worth adding is Quicksilver Wall because no matter who controls it and no matter who activates it's ability, it will bounce to YOUR hand. That's why I had it in my version but even that wasn't worth the trouble and later versions played with nothing but mana sources, carddraw and Shared Fate, which turned out to run the best.

Yes, but why attack straight away? Once fate is out, it no longer becomes a race (unless there is enchantment removal in hand). If your opponent gets a 0/7 defender, it doesn't scare me. I'll wait until my creatures are larger, then start swinging when all my opponent has are walls and a few left over creatures. Obviously if you can you cast fate immediately, but a wall can save your life pre-fate. I understand a wall isn't the BEST form of card draw, but it has the advantage of blocking damage that would be dealt to you. Please explain to me how it is a race post-fate. It is only a race if your opponent has enchantment removal, as... Walls can NOT attack! Meaning you are free to build your board before crushing what (s)he (the opponent) has left.

By the way, I don't mean to be rude when I say 'Please explain...' I realize that may sound a little rude.

counter spell, or something to that effect; if your opponent should fail to draw into shared fate (which i am assuming {ha!} he is playing a modern build) by turn 3 or 4 you could surgical extract (mill), cranial extract, etc (theres another sorcery that does the same thing. modern is the way to go, otherwise you'll face off against a lot of turn 0 or 1 wins if your not prepared.

runed halo works if your in white, i don't care much for white, as i mostly steer towards black and blue.

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Actually, I think Legacy would be the way to go with a deck like this. You have access to the best ramp rituals and draw spells (barring Ancestral Recall), as well as the best answers that won't cripple you once Shared Fate is in play (e.g. Force of Will, Trinisphere, Winter Orb, etc.).

This deck would kinda suck in Modern, since it won't ever interact with the opponent, and Shared Fate will hardly ever hit the board before T3 (due to lack of 1 mana rituals). Big, stompy, fast decks (Eldrazi, Amulet Combo, Infect, etc.) will establish strong board positions before you do anything worthwhile.

well the point being, legacy has things like 'tin fins creating a turn one win, this deck can't compete on that level. anyway, my modern deck can take it, i just need to side board a few thought seizes for shared fate.

This deck can't compete in Modern (no access to Dark Rituals); it'll be way too slow.

Bearing in mind that the average kill-speed of a Legacy deck is 3 turns or more, dropping a T2 or T3 Shared Fate is hardly the most efficient use of all that ramp, but it is vastly better than a T4 Shared Fate in Modern.

Remember that this deck is not going to be competitive if it relies so heavily on a Shared Fate soft lock, but the deck's creator didn't necessarily build the deck to win at Tier 1 Magic. Without some sort of guideline from the creator on how competitive he/she wants the deck to be, all we can do is suggest potential improvements for the current strategy.

On a side note, referencing your Thoughtseize remark: the probability of getting rid of the Shared Fate threat through discard is 14% on T1, 16% by T2 and 19% by T3 (assuming you run 4 Thoughtseizes). Not exactly overwhelming odds compared to this deck's 77% of casting Shared Fate by T3 (referencing my proposed list).

the creator of this deck needs to start back at the beginning and teach preschool, learn em how to wipe their own ass.

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The creator or this deck hasn't responded for ages and the few times he actually did where oneliners, essentially spam. I don't get why you still post on it.

I'm high as a kite, i just might......

ping..... ....pong ping...... ..........pong ping.,/''' point!

No. They slow you down when the opponent gets them. Which isn't negliable because he will have creatures from his opening hand that will set you on a clock.

How so? His creatures will attack you just as much whether he plays wall or not. He generally will have more creatures than you at this point, so a wall may buy you valuable time.

I explained this several times already and am genuinely tired about this. Why don't you build this deck and play a few games, eh?

Puschkin, where have you explained? I have read through almost every comment on this page AND on your shared fate deck, and haven't found a good reason against walls. Please explain either a: how it is a race post shared fate, as you would definitely lose if it is just 'can I draw his cards and use them to attack faster than he can finish me off?' or b: Some other reason why walls would damage you post fate.

Sigh.
Shared Fate is the SWITCH. From then on yoj have to beat your opponent as fast as possible which is a race against what he has already in play and what he still holds in hand. This isn't Hearthstone where your creatures can attack enemy creatures. So, when the opponent has access to walls post-Fate he'll delay your kill which buys him time to ride whatever he has to victory.
Yes, those walls can also delay the opponent before Fate. However, that's the thing though: You don't have time for walls! As I said about a dozen times already, Shared Fate has to hit play ASAP! Casting a wall for 2 to draw a card means you can't cast 2 one-mana-carddrawers and that makes all the difference. But post-fate your opponent has access to much more mana and can burn through your deck pretty fast. Which means he will be able to play a wall almost every turn.
I hope you can see the difference now and if you can't: Please, build the deck and play it yourself! It's an usual deck and there are some things that can't be properly explained and that you'd better learn yourself.

Also, who the fuck downvoted me for that!? I am the only one here that has actually played a Shared Fate deck! The author of this deck (who most likely stole the idea) hasn't answered ANY of the questions! I went at lengths explaining this deck, disussing what works and what doesn't, basing on actual experience with this deck, EVEN THOUGH ALL THAT TRAFFIC KEEPS THIS GUYS DECK ON HOT PAGE whereas my deck, which predates this by more than a year, stays unnoticed. I did so because I think helping people out is more important than vanity and didn't complain until now. But downvoting me for doing the hard work the author of this deck should do!?

Seriously. This sums up pretty well whats wrong with this place.


Everything you need to know about Shared Fate can be found in either my deck or my first comment of this thread. I won't reply to this one anymore.

I have read your deck and all your comments on here. I disagree with the 'race' statement, and how, pray tell, could you out race your oppononent (who, as you said, probably has 3-4 creatures out by now) when (s)he has a 3-5 turn head start on you AND will keep on attacking! I will copy this entire comment onto your deck, but please explain!

Also, Ben Evans is not a copycat. He probably does not even want his deck on the hot page.

Yeah, that is true.

That helps the opponent post Shared Fate.

You do know this was made almost two years ago, right? When Probe was still legal.