Better than Sex: Tits and Past..

See Beyond puts things back in the deck that I want to Birthing Pod out or get out with the Forgemaster. Combining that with an instant-speed buff/debuff with Norn or a Sheoldred-induced Rise from the Grave AND Gatekeeper of Malakir effect on the same turn. then swinging with Swiftfoot Boots...

THAT'S better than sex.

See Beyond was like the condom to my infinite lust. Now I'm going bareback.

See Beyond IS a nil point with Amulets. Good job.

Who needs draw when you've got the Forgemaster?

That's sounds like a really good idea to me, though I'm sure you were directing the question to Awz?. As long as you play the stack right your creature would live, just make sure they declare who/what is being effected then do it.

yeah, Sheoldred is just BEGGING for an O-Ring or a Condemn. 6 counters might not be enough. (thankfully she is immune to doom blade AND dismember) The whole thing kind of falls apart without her.

Might be fun to pop out Norn 1st to bait the counter, THEN pop out Sheoldred and dredge Norn thhe next round. :)

Brass Squire might kick ass.

Hmmm.

I was actually considering taking out the blue draw all together, loading up on more counters, and throwing in a couple Myr Battlespheres/Spines of Ish Sah. That might fix things, and make it Standard legit come October.

That's a fantastic idea. However, I'm trying to keep this as mono-blue as possible. Don't wanna be yet another punk playin' UW control.

Of my group that 'gasms over Birthing Pod, I'm the only one keeping it mono-colored. The_Stinkweed_Pimp has Esper down, and islaybanes rocks WG (with Grand Abolisher).

Find me a one-mana counter is Standard and I'll kiss you.

well there are a few but none that counter everything. Dispel, Mental Misstep, Spell Pierce, and Turn Aside.

Makes sense.

Hmmm.

Fuck.

There's also Sundial of the Infinite, though it only works on your turn.

Dude, if Sundial worked on an opponent's turn.

Maximum hardness.

Indeed.

Grand Abolisher IS a problem, though. And anyone running whit is gonna be running Abolisher. Hmm.

Is Unsummon in M12? Pop it back on my turn, then counter it the following turn.

Horrendous card disadvantage, but I'm tight on options.

There's something better than Unsummon actually. Vapor Snag =]

And surewhynot saves the day. We approve.

Norn wipes it? unless there is equipment or a global buff on him, he should go bye bye when you pop her out. Abolisher cant even resolve with norn out.

Also, I was thinking about ratchet spellbomb as a way to deal with general threats too. (like 0-ring)

I'd much rather lose Norn that be denied counters the whole game. Abolisher typically comes out turn two. Which blows if I take the draw.

Ratchet Bomb is an option. However, it's too damned slow in an already slow deck.

HMMMMM.

Vapor snag is pretty sweet, till you need it to get one of your own guys out of a jam...made that mistake once :(

It's problematic.

Upon further consideration, I think that the probability of drawing a Wurmcoil nulls the point of having Treasure Mage in the deck, and therefore Vapor Snag. Replacing Treasure Mages and Islands with the Cretarchs and Phyrexia's Cores.

So how bout a Gambit to make the B-Bomb B-Bomb faster?

Repaid in kind. I've done nothing wrong.

Grand Abolisher is a major stumbling block.

Oblivion Ring, when it gets though, messes me up something terrible.

Mimic Vat with an Acidic Slime loaded into it is the absolute worst thing.

Anything that can win by turn four, like goblins. Hurts.

This deck has a lot, lot, LOT of counters, but I bring it upon myself by insisting upon using both Birthing Pod and the Amulets. Sexy, sexy cards.

Sex > Winning.

It relies a lot on the surprise. No one expects Elesh Norn to pop out of a Wurmcoil Engine. (Even better than the Spanish Inquisition) But once they see how it works, you can expect that birthing pod to get crushed/O-ringed. (having the O-ring on the field, taunting you, not being able to do crap about it, is maddening) If you are playing an abolisher deck, you could always grab some dismembers, spellbombs, and spines from a sideboard to replace your counters.

In duel, getting out that praetor is basically a win. It doesn't matter what your life total is when it happens, Norn + 2 5/5s in an un-counterable move that could potentially cost no mana is brutal when you pull it off.

Yep.

Then you throw in something like Sheoldred into the mix backed up with counters and Spine removal.

Hawt.

Yep, keeping this Standard, and trying to get off the Zendikar crutch.

Chalices are rotating. I'm desperately trying to keep this T2-ready come October. No Chalices and See Beyond hurts me really bad.

Thrummingbird is GREAT. No place for it here, though.

I think Vapor Snag/Unsummon is the way to go.

It happens to the best of us.

It's passable at best. Norn's a tough broad to match.

Yes, all that broad, smooth porcelain and tight, slimy muscle tissue. How could anyone else even put up resistance?

She's easily the hottest thing under the sun.

Easily the best comment on this deck, though I'm partial to flapjacks.

French motherfuggin toast.

Baclava, hands down. And yes, it counts, they're all pastries.

I'm tempted to rename this deck "Tits and Pastries."

Few things beat that combo...

<_<

Seriously, think about it a bit...not much better.

if you rename this deck...im going to call that a personal victory! BECAUSE I FUCKING LOVE WAFFLES! AND THIS WILL BE A VICTORY FOR WAFFLES EVERY WERE!

Compromise.

ok. what are you conditions?

http://cdn.steplinks.net/cms/ul/20091104-Brook_TOopless_Pastry_TITS.jpg

i win fuckers. :P

It's safe to say that Wumpus takes the crown here.

That's tough to top.

(Or is it easy?)

Normal women just don't do it for me anymore, because attacking with Norn doesn't cause her to tap.

*points to the Birthing Pod, Forgemaster, Quicksilver Amulet*

If that doesn't help, I will let Awz? do tha talkin'.

Azrael knows what it is.

TOTALLY spaced Blightsteel.

The hell is wrong with me.

The Cores are a great idea. A little too close to Oberg's deck for my tastes, but decent enough.

I'll see whassup. Good call!

Good call.

It seems you do not understand Birthing Pod. It can be used only when you could play a sorcery, if you had one. Such times are during your main phases when there is nothing on the stack already. It doesn't mean that you can use it only when you otherwise have a sorcery you can cast.

OhaiChai knows whassup. Those rules are a little incomprehensible at times. When all else, check with Word of God, i.e. Gatherer.

That arcana is put on cards that would be completely imbalanced at instant speed. (like most creature/artifact abilities are by default). If it were instant, you could get around destruction/removal with it, or block, then before combat damage resolves feed it into the pod.

God that would be pretty tits though wouldn't it?

JUST a little bit. Instant-speed Birthing Pod would do strange, sexy things to me.

Delicious.

It's problematic.

That sounds terrorfying.

It's Latin for "You've done nothing wrong" =P

Coudn't have said it better myself.

Unless I previously have.

The Certarch is REALLY good defensively, and it's the best blue one-drop outside of Kraken Hatchling. I getcha, though. If it was a mana ability instead, I'd be stoked.