Angatjuh

Hey Muktol, thanks for the feedback! Favorable winds, I am not so sure. I think I want to keep as many slots open for creatures as possible. The lands are certainly a good point, to be honost I kinda forgot them. I have some dual lands lying around, but I do need to optimize the ratio.

Hi sorry for the delay, but I was really busy with work last week.

LOL! Darkman seems like an wicked bad movie :)

"The concept of helping the underdog defeat the rich and corrupt is pretty basic in my psyche."
Yeah that goes the same for me! I am also very much afraid that it might (have to) become bloody for things to change. Could you explain better your analogy of the painted floor and what you mean by it? You've mentioned it before, but I don't quite understand it yet.

I'm also not sure how you relate magic (the game I presume?) to mental constructors and copycats and how that relates to the rest of our discussion.

"when brilliant minds create genious mental constructs"
Yeah my point! You made it seem earlier that mental constructs are nescessarily something bad, which I don't agree with. It is true however that brilliant ideas get hijacked by other people, usually less intelligent people, corrupted and put to use for their own benefit. You also mentioned philosophers are among the worst, which might be true, but they are certainly among the best too!

I myself am a philosophy teacher in high school. For me my most important goal at this moment is fighting against polarization. Here also it is in the benefit of a small group to keep the masses at each others throats. I say if you think the other side is unfathomably stupid, you are probably part of the problem.

"If I was dumb but had the ability to win someone smart, I'd do it in an instance, because that's clever."
Love this one! :)

I'm starting to see where you are going for and I really agree with a lot of the problems you are diagnosing. I really do doubt the feasibility of this plan though. You can't stop progress. And by progress I don't mean moral progress, or getting 'better', just more complex. Honoustly I do like what you are trying to do and I would wish for you to continue and open as much eyes as you can. For me personally though I have just kinda given up on this. For instance abou the supermarket, I just figure: fine let me pay too much for too little, just give me a little peace, thats worth more then the price reduction I may get.

I do wonder though, why do you want this. What is it you value, for you to pursuit these goals and why do you value those things. You don't strike me as a hero-type good guy who is gonna save the world. For one thing you said you'd prefer cruelty before benevolence. I'm not sure what you mean by this, at face value it seems utterly degenerate, so I assume I'm missing something. On the other hand you seem to want to save someone(s) from something. So why would you want to fight this fight? What are the values behind this? What is it you want to secure? And why is this so important in your perception?

I can see why you would want to go against what you call 'mental constructors trying to gain an edge', but your strategy of worldsimplification seems somewhat simplistic in itself. The world is in no way going to become less structured, unless your thinking of literally destroying civilization, which to me seems a vain (in both meanings) goal.

I just don't see why you would mark all human structures as your enemy and plan for their destruction. How is every structure bad? It doesn't even seem a logically valid position. Either it is all bad, but then from which structure do you make this claim? Or it is not all bad, which seems like an open door.

p.s. What do you think of Thanos from Guardians of the Galaxy?

Well it feels very rationally approached like this, as if the rational mind is able to grasp all that morals are. I don't think it will work all the way, because I don't think morals are so easily defined by rational analysis.

But it seems like a good model you might use to try and clarify more clearly what you perceive as your god given goal in life concerning the total destruction of all morals. :p

I am interested to learn what the endgame is here for you. How would your 'post-moral' world look like, could you give me a glimpse?

p.s. Did you check out Charles Taylor and the horizon of significance?

I would define morals as both our values and the rules (formal and informal) we conjure up to promote that which we value.

Given this definition I don't think either of you can have 'no morals'. It is not possible, practically or theoretically, to live a human life without values and so without morals.

Of course there will always be people (the technical term is d*ckfaces) who will do anything to make you adhere to norms that only benefit them, or who would use your own norms just to get the edge on you. But this doesn't make morals in themselves something 'bad' or something to get rid of.

I agree cynicism isn't a way out. In fact I don't think there is any way out, period.

So I'm not entirely sure what you mean with "morals". It seems to me you are mostly referring to structures build by humans, and it seems in your cynical view to be mostly made purposefully to control others. I agree that this is true to an extend, probably even a large extent. I am a little doubtful about how much of this is made intentfully, I actually think most of it just kinda 'happened' and the people in power, for whom it worked, kept it like that. So I guess they were dealt a good hand and they decided to use it.

But that is not all that morals are. I think, for instance, that a big part of our morality has biological foundationss. I'm not really sure what you think happens when you would get rid of all morals. What will be left behind?

I don't think it is possible to let your morals go. As if on the one hand there is you and on the other hand your morals (or maybe you would say 'their' morals). And that you might let go of your morals, as if it were a jacket or something. You are your morals. And you can contemplate your current morals, and their origin, and how it effects your life. And you might change some of them. But in the end who you are IS in great part your morals. You can't let it go, anymore then you can let go of your skin (except in the off chance that you actually are a space-snake-alien...)

Allright bro thats fine, I'm just saying you're doing a monologue, not a having a dialogue with me.

And cynism isn't the only answer. It's not "wrong", it's just an easy way out.

LoL ok well...

"being humans we spent most of our time to use it to hurt, kill and enslave"
"ment to throw on others as a web and drag them down in the dirt"

None of this is untrue. It is all just very onesided. I'm not sure why people choose to only see (or present) the dark, but this is not an honost picture of the world. Human beings are also capable of the most beautiful, selfless and inspired deeds. This doesn't make us blessed beings, because that is also only one side. And the cages you talk of are also the only way we can experience the world and thus live life. Without structures, only chaos and life is impossible in chaos. Without morals there could be no life, at least no social life.

"odds are that you know the words of taylor because you've been searching for the tools to manipulate others"

That is presumptuous and derogative. You don't know me, so this speaks only of your cynicism.

"I'll educate you"

This is belittling.

I'm not sure what life has thrown your way bro, but you are boxing more with your own shadows then you are having a dialogue with me. ;)

Nah morals aren't mental cages, they constitute your identity. Check out Charles Taylor and his concept of horizon of significance. I actually really like this idea. In any case morals are more than rational convictions we can use (or discard) as we see fit.

@ wickeddarkman
It's not just about staying alive, but also abut defending your boundaries and values I think and accepting that this means that sometimes someone else will need to get hurt through this.

@Alfred
I checked your page, fun to see your own colorwheel deck! :)

It was kinda lazy indeed not fixing the mana and I had actually forgot to do it at my last card order, so that bit me in the ass :p

Indeed I like the colorwheel too and I agree a well rounded person has all five colors balanced (off course we all have a bit of all colors, just some are very far behind). I didn't like the old way of making black seem superficially 'bad'. Black is more about empowerment and being selfish, which is off course in itself a good thing. The trick, as always, is to look for the balance. Being Temur I should probably be more selfish and protect my own boundaries better (black). On the other hand it probably wouldn't be a bad idea for me to be a little more respectful of rules (white) ;)

And for you, its probably not a bad idea to try and give some space to your inner Rakdos, it's there... somewhere, just looking for a little bit of nurturing :)

Yeah I was strolling through your decks and had found your halfdeck. I'm not really sure I understand the point of it though...

Hi wickeddarkman,

Thanks for the posts! I actually haven't been completely gone, made some private decks. But indeed because corona I made some friends enthustiac again and I made some decks for multiplaying with them (Star format). That is why I made those guild decks.

Hi wickeddarkman!

Yeah I know that article and I really love it! In fact based on that article I've also made a new deck. I always used to love Izzet (I still do!) but after reading that article I discovered I am actually Temur. So I made a Temur deck for that reason, check it out!
https://www.mtgvault.com/angatjuh/decks/temur/

I am working on this new political deck with Zedruu the Greathearted. I just really love this card and want to make a deck around it. This is what I have so far. I am looking to comments about which cards I might need to cut and some (very budget) suggestions to add. Maybe even more then that I am interested in a strategical analysis and where this deck needs to go from here.

Thnx in advance!

Yeah visions is the card that needs to go. Dazzling Lights might be a nice addition. Thnx!

I love [[Isochron Scepter]]! I don't think it really works in this deck though. I can keep targeting their creatures with my wizards and they can't get destroyed, because they will just be sent back to my hand. So in a way it's safer then Isochron which can be destroyed. The only problem might be decks that can target more then this one... but those are very rare I guess.

Thnx! Testing: [[Stuffy Doll]]

For a second there I thought this was a direct win condition! But alas!

I don't think it really adds much. Sure it can be annoying, but if all goes well this just makes it hurt a little less long for the opponent. It doesn't however add reliabililty, which I guess is more important here.