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there seems to be a few people on here massively killing off the top rated decks, nothing can stay on there for more then like 5 minutes, come on guys, let em be and lets just have a good time making some decks and helping each other out

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every deck on there just dropped by like 5

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26 Oct 2009 by daplayafoo

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Its hard when you get flamed for being competitive :P Im going to +1 this though, since it NEEDS to be on the list.

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26 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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Aweosme card chosen for the deck. :P But yeah, it's about as annoying as people commenting on your decks just to link their entirely unrelated one for comments. >_<

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26 Oct 2009 by Faidtastic

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Ive got a better idea, LETS GET RID of the whole Ranking System!

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26 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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EVERYONE who thinks this topic is important should comment on this Post AND Leave a +1 and if you DO NOT then you are obviously in disagreement about this and should state your opinion anyway.

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26 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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i think the ranking system is good if not abused, it lets people check out some wicked decks and learn more

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26 Oct 2009 by dknight27

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I agree.

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26 Oct 2009 by WilliamP

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I agree that the ranking system is good, but when over half the top rated list is the same player's decks thats not fair. other people have good decks that deserve to be on that list. i would be ok with one or two decks from the same person, but not like 6. the top rated list needs to be like it was before this all started happening, with the top decks being from a variety of people. thats my opinion

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26 Oct 2009 by zxc

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I believe that zxc is right and that it should be fair that only one deck per person should be on the top rated list.

+1 from me to keep this post up.

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26 Oct 2009 by ANON

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shit i rated the deck +1 then read the comments. my bad..yeah im all for good decks to be on the top, how do they get knocked off?? also if anyone wants to help me out any comments or suggestions on any of my decks would be awesomely appreciated.

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26 Oct 2009 by dubu

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Could there be a sort on the decks by ranks? this way you can see other rated decks besides like the top 10. That might keep people from down ranking decks.

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26 Oct 2009 by Drizzit

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+1 and stuff. the ranking system does help, it just needs to be a little monitored thats all. and you shouldn't be ablt to leave -1 without posting that might change it. So you know whos doing it and wouldn't just be spamming -1's

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26 Oct 2009 by Armitage901

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Problem is you get people making multiple accounts, not that they are just getting onto the site and constantly -1 a deck over and over again.

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26 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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Alright zxc, I have 4 decks tight now on the Top. Whos fault is that? Is it mine? Hell no it isnt! Its not my problem people like my stuff. Get over it, if you have multiple things on here, then thats just how it is.

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26 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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i never said it was your fault riley, all im saying is that other people should have the chance to get their best deck onto the top, that way more others can see the their best decks. it is like i said on my suggestion in the forums, others have great decks too.

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26 Oct 2009 by zxc

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there should be a top rated decks thing for every category of deck. like mill, discard, creature-based and so forth. +1 by the way. It was weird, i was looking at the top decks yesterday and (just an example) the planeswalkers deck was at like 37 and today it was at 20. WTF? how did that happen? There should be a rating system but it should be improved upon.

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26 Oct 2009 by hipponox

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and the cheese stands alone is awesome.

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26 Oct 2009 by hipponox

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i love the idea of the different categories for the top rated, that would be excellent

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26 Oct 2009 by dknight27

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as do i. hipponox, you should go to the forums and sugggest it since it was your idea.

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26 Oct 2009 by zxc

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k, i have to make a forum account first.

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26 Oct 2009 by hipponox

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alright. i did it

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26 Oct 2009 by hipponox

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No, what they should do is Reset the Top Rated each Month and allow only the decks from that Month get posted.

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26 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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that could work riley, also they could add another top rated. have one for top overall and one for top of the month or week. either would be fine. i would be happy with anyway that allowed more of the better decks to be seen by the public.

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26 Oct 2009 by zxc

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Even better, No Rating without Commenting. You click either button, and it immediantly forces you to Comment on the deck so you can see who really is putting thought into a decision and who is not.

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26 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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Wonderful, somebody already started their crap again!

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26 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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ya i got burned earlier, give it time to sink in

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26 Oct 2009 by dknight27

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gah! people keep doing it

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27 Oct 2009 by dknight27

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o ik right, good job dknight, im glad you said something we have all had decks on the top rated, they slowly dissapear now tho i like the idea of multiple catagories or the auto comment with ratings idea. and yea ppl quit multi accounting thats not fair to others. if you want your deck on the top rated, comment others to have them look at it, they will rate yours if they like it, dont cheat and multiaccount for one thats lying about how many like the deck and its not cool to rate others decks down just to have one of yours up +1 to this

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27 Oct 2009 by unknownhunter763

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I think it would be an awesome idea with the top month and top overall category. On a side note why chose an unhinged card when it exist as a future sight card called Barren Glory that is almost the same. I guess because of the name and picture. Anyway I'm glad you made this to show that nobody wants people to spoil the ranking list. +1 from me.

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27 Oct 2009 by Chiligyro

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because the cheese stands alone is more awesome : )

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27 Oct 2009 by hipponox

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I concur.

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27 Oct 2009 by dragonchild

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i like hipponox's idea

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27 Oct 2009 by treymiller

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Things seem to be getting back to normal.

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27 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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I know who the person is, if you are on the forums and you wanna know, then send me a friend invite and Iwill tell you.

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27 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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Another idea would be to limit the number of negative votes a deck could recieve in one day. Does anyone know why every deck on the top rated list from a month ago except the top three or four are all off the list now?

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27 Oct 2009 by req

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Pry not, if you wanna know who is doing it then send me a Private Message. I actually figured it out tonight through some experimenting

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27 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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zxc is the person making fake accounts and running everyones rating down.

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27 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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I just busted him scoping out my profile, his deck jumped by 2 rating points in under 3 minutes (2 times now). believe me or dont believe me, honestly, I dont care. Why would I accuse someone out loud when I know what the backlash on all my stuff is going to be? Honestly, I dont care. Aslong as everyone knows the truth, I dont care. There ya go.

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27 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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He did it again :P

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27 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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it aint me lay off

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27 Oct 2009 by quazar

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i stopped when u did, if u want to restart be my guest. by the way i only rated mine up when rated them down

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27 Oct 2009 by quazar

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i havent touvhed anybody else's decks

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27 Oct 2009 by quazar

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LOL quazar is zxc! Thanks for admitting it!

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27 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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just because people vote your deck down, doesnt give you the right to just decide to vote your decks up. Thats against how this works.

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27 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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i admitted it to prove a point
i havent touched anybody else's decks

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27 Oct 2009 by zxc

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when you said you would stop, i stopped rating others down

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27 Oct 2009 by zxc

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ur the one who was voting them down

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27 Oct 2009 by zxc

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When you admit to one, that doesnt make you not guilty of the other. I get paid to figure stuff like this out, dont try and reverse the situation. Just stop. All Im asking.

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27 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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ur the one who was voting them down

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27 Oct 2009 by zxc

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u stop and ill stop, if u restart i restart
i dont care if you get payed for doing it, cool down your ego and just help people, im tired of hearing "because i play competitive". we get it thats all you ever say.

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27 Oct 2009 by zxc

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Your evidence?

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27 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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27 Oct 2009 by zxc

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28 Oct 2009 by zxc

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28 Oct 2009 by zxc

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And its the truth, I get paid to figure out stuff like what you were doing. Its my job. And about helping people, already been doing it since I got here. Some people are taking advantage of it, some arent. ignore me if you dont want it, I dont care. You can miss out on the advice if you like, im sure others will continue to take my advice. Ego? My Ego was created only because of what ive done, and what ive done is become very good at what I do. So what am I doing? Helping others reach my level.

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28 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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as to my proof, u are the one who wants forced comments and yet my decks were also getting negative votes without, some body was constantly voting them down

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28 Oct 2009 by zxc

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28 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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as to not taking advice, i took some of your advice on my last deck. as to your ego, while commenting on my last deck you blasted me for defending my choices, saying i was making excuses. i dont think you even considered why i picked the cards i did.

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28 Oct 2009 by zxc

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And how do you know it was me? Ive already got an idea of who that person is too... Ill figure it out. In the mean time, just dont do it anymore. Cool?

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28 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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i do enjoy this arguement a large amount, but back to the point,
the ranking system should be changed...
either make seperate ranks for seperate deck types
or have a 1-10 rating so its not just good or bad
or just dont have one
decks come and go from the list a lot
maybe the people running the site could do a ranking of their own... im sure theyre knowledgeable...
idk anyone elses thoughts?

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28 Oct 2009 by treymiller

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as trey said, i think we can all agree that something needs to be changed. many of us, including myself, have pointed this out on the forums

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28 Oct 2009 by zxc

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just to make something clear, i didnt start this, somebody else voted all of the top decks down about 10 votes a few weeks ago

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28 Oct 2009 by zxc

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Ill give you that, I know you didnt do that.

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28 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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i was wondering about that blast myself, and i absolutely love the 1 to 10 rating scale, i think that would solve a lot of problems

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28 Oct 2009 by dknight27

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and riley, how in gods name did u figure out zxc made the face accounts, thats some pretty good hacking

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28 Oct 2009 by dknight27

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i didnt have to hack, you cant just carry a computer and hack someones brain in person :P It just requires a few well placed timings and reasoning.

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28 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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that would do it, what does everybody think about the 1 to 10 rating scales

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28 Oct 2009 by dknight27

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Sounds good to me, but in the end you will just have people doing the same garbage again. What they need to do is force people to leave a comment whenever they leave feedback, clear the list each month, and dont allow people to comment/vote unless they have a deck posted.

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28 Oct 2009 by rileyandholly88

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im really confused right now. someone should make a list of all the suggestions and post them somewhere so everyone can view them. maybe there could be a vote of some kind if that would work at all.

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28 Oct 2009 by hipponox

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how do we get this issue to the people that run the site

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28 Oct 2009 by dknight27

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We're reading it already dknight27.

Something will be done, development on vault will be starting again after this weekend (I'm away again) and this will be one of the things we'll be looking to address.

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28 Oct 2009 by Gary

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ah, good stuff, nice job with the site by the way, i enjoy it thuroughly

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28 Oct 2009 by dknight27

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awesome!
thats rad that the people who run the site are doin somethin

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28 Oct 2009 by treymiller

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woo!!!! top deck!!!!! lol

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29 Oct 2009 by hipponox

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It is always nice to see a site which is up to date with such problems.
Props to ya Gary for this site. keep it up.

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29 Oct 2009 by ANON

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fuck, someone just nuked all my stuff

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31 Oct 2009 by dknight27

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I wish someone would comment on my decks

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01 Nov 2009 by tom18038

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01 Nov 2009 by hobojy

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What this site needs is a way to delete comments and decks, a way to send private messages, and a requirement stating why you dislike a deck if you feel you must give it a negative rating. Or just incorporate the ranking into the comments so that you HAVE to write something. That way you can burn their decks if they mess with yours.

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01 Nov 2009 by RoughneckBarbarian

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i like it, we really do need a way to delete a deck

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01 Nov 2009 by dknight27

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That's a superb idea RoughneckBarbarian. im all for that

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01 Nov 2009 by hipponox

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obviously i have entered a chatroom!!!

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03 Nov 2009 by Havoc_Demon

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whould nt it be cool if there was a chatroom in this site....?

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03 Nov 2009 by Havoc_Demon

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obviously i have entered a chatroom!!!

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03 Nov 2009 by Havoc_Demon

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I totally agree with rileyandholly88.. No rating without a comment. Damn bastards who keep -1 decks are annoying as hell. especially when they can't even give a damn reason why they did it... +1 for me here...

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08 Nov 2009 by Flipknight28

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+1!!.. just goin with the flow here -_^

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08 Nov 2009 by KevinLee

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should probably be some sort of numerical ranking system so that it can average out a lot better

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09 Nov 2009 by tahgir

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As I said on the other "top decks" that are really polls, -1 because these polls are taking up space as decks which makes the overall list smaller and is just plain annoying. It's not that I disagree but this is the wrong way to go about it.

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09 Nov 2009 by arcanefighter

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another good idea might be to have like a list of featured decks of the day so that a wide variety of random decks are posted and everyone can get their deck seen

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09 Nov 2009 by wildwest11

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so far, here's what we got... for those who are doing the coding for the site please listen up!
1. Rating from 1-10
2. No Rating without Comment
3. Top Rated for Different Categories of Decks
4. Top Rated Decks should have Categories as well ( Week, Month, Of All Time, etc.)
5. (This one's from me....) Ability to delete unwanted comments or Block annoying users

Feel free to add so we can get the change going...

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10 Nov 2009 by Flipknight28

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that's a good list. you should post it on the forums.

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11 Nov 2009 by hipponox

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you should add Barren Glory...jk

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12 Nov 2009 by mister_musiq

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@Gary. An up-vote/down-vote system is inherently flawed, as evidenced by digg.com. It will *always* be dominated by the "power users" and any roadblocks you put in can and will be circumvented. That said, here's a few half-baked solutions (and workarounds) on the matter:

Forced commenting (from other commenters)- a given user cannot down vote without commenting.
Workaround: comments will just be 'ur deckz is teh suxor' from throwaway accounts

1 up/down vote a day- a given user cannot just go down the top 10 list and down vote everything.
Workaround: throwaway accounts

IP restriction- a given IP cannot up/down vote the same deck.
Workaround: libraries, starbucks, grandma, anywhere that offers free internet access + throwaway accounts

Public log- every user account has a publicly viewable log of all votes and comments. This will help 'out' throwaway accounts and unscrupulous down-voters.
Workaround: more throwaway accounts

Reputation- a given account cannot vote until it has gained reputation by participating in meaningful ways, much like the system used by stackoverflow.com.
Workaround: ... actually, combine this with a public log and I think this one might work. Requires the most programming effort though.

Well, good luck...

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12 Nov 2009 by detour

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Thanks for the suggestions detour, we're keeping all of this in mind. The rating system is currently being worked on for the next release of the site and will be a lot more robust and hopefully immune to this multi-account downvoting malarky, we're all going to be working with a completely different style of voting system when it's done.

I'd say we might be good to go sometime before (or shortly after) the end of the month.

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13 Nov 2009 by Gary

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woo!!!! cant wait!!!

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13 Nov 2009 by hipponox

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plz look at my decks and give me tips!

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16 Nov 2009 by austinw79

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Agree +1, plz comment on my decks, I'm newer to Magic so Im lookin for some help

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22 Nov 2009 by Jund4Lyfe

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need tips on sick nasty deck

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25 Nov 2009 by dkdonuts1

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agreed ....... i have a comment though why they hell are you able to vote on your own decks of course you are going to give yourself a +1

but yes leave the deck alone for orignallity or just want to get your deck up there

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26 Nov 2009 by sweetkayladust

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look at suck nasty deck by dkdonuts1

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27 Nov 2009 by dkdonuts1

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its the end of the month...

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30 Nov 2009 by treymiller

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It is indeed and we're still working on it..

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01 Dec 2009 by Gary

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Why even have a negative vote? If you dont like it just comment. Plus a history of votes should be added to the profies or something so we know who is doing the sabotaging.......boom! They're banned

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01 Dec 2009 by lacy12

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hipponox your my hero lol seriously props to ya man. you seem to handle every situation optimistically and realistically and with a sense of humor. he should get a gold star lol just kiddin........but seriously he should

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01 Dec 2009 by lacy12

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Check out the news post regarding changes to the rating system guys.

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03 Dec 2009 by Gary

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wow. lacy12, im flattered. thank you! a gold star sounds fun! : )

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06 Dec 2009 by hipponox

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I just think we are here to help each other. I was out of magic for many years and just got back into and trying rebuild my collection. So it helps to have people rating and leaving comments together so we can enjoy it......

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07 Dec 2009 by waynesworld75

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i agree, i too was out of the game for a while and am looking for help rather than boo's

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14 Dec 2009 by JonBomb

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thats such a good card lol

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15 Dec 2009 by tylr_mace

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fart joke

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28 Dec 2009 by mr.magic

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*insert funny comment here* anyway im glad that the rating sistem is getting edited cuz just as people say some one is abusing it.

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03 Jan 2010 by jacob451

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giving this deck a plus one cuz the card is so aweseom

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03 Jan 2010 by jacob451

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I think its fine the way it is.....great card

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13 Jan 2010 by dearaujojr

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Greeting all, im new to this site but have been playing magic off and on since beta. I have 2 decks i have worked on for i dont know how long now and could use some pointers. thanks for the help. +1 for the cheese by the way >=)

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14 Jan 2010 by joyrexjrl

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I agree.... +1

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21 Jan 2010 by GrahamChampion

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needs the mana

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30 Jan 2010 by jcjbob

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"decks" like this keep real decks that should be on the top few, off it, there can only a few actual decks right now because theres the database, the hilarious pikachu, this, 8 real decks, another post exactly like this, 1 real deck, a post thats asking questions which are meant for a different section of the website, and 1 more deck. im -1ing this

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30 Jan 2010 by esgal

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its not that i dont agree, its that this is stupid because nobody will really pay attention to this, there are 2 exactly like this on the top list, and it just takes up space

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30 Jan 2010 by esgal

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commenting for the good of deckbuilding.

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31 Jan 2010 by Lost-His-Mind

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needs mana xD

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05 Feb 2010 by narueled

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okay im a bit lazy to read all of the comments made thus far, so keep that in mind.
That being said, i believe that you shouldnt be able to +1/-1 with out leaving a comment.

Even a lame excuse is better than no excuse at all!

Oh, and i +1'd this deck because it address's a point on form courtesy!

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06 Feb 2010 by ajaxsawdy2

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zomg didnt they remake this card in future sight? i think its called barren glory... (goes and checks)

Yup. they did!

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06 Feb 2010 by ajaxsawdy2

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Oh, and again, if some one else already mentiond this, then just count this as another +1 vote for their idea...

What about being able to scroll through all the decks from the highest -> lowest?
Or reseting the list/votes every once in a while, and have a flag that shows where the deck sat over all for how long (like in the top 500 for 10 months strait) or something like that?

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06 Feb 2010 by ajaxsawdy2

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that's almost perfect. What about adding treasure hunt so you can draw it

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15 Feb 2010 by Me_isnotreally#1

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I know this is not relevant, but a lot of decent decks that ask for help...and need help go through the new deck list without even being commented on. People rarely make decks to brag, or flaunt their talent. They build decks to showcase innovative idea or for help. It irks me that people make decks asking for help and are not willing to lend a hand.

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20 Feb 2010 by Zamfir

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